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Moine 3 MAR 2024 a las 8:14 p. m.
Mana problem
Hi,
Any way for get any many leech in the game ? That is unfair for spell caster, most skill cost too much mana, that bad .

Minion bruild don't have that problem
Melee bruild don't have that problem

Make a love for mana for spell caster bruild .
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Moine 4 MAR 2024 a las 5:32 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Partyrock:
Mana regen is very powerful in this game. Highly recommended. And since it's percentage-based, having more mana makes the regen more potent.

I get all mana from passive, passive i can use like tornado i have 60% mana less cost and mana regen from it, all my base gear it mana + mana regen, most other passive is useless, because many regen from totem ( i don t use totem) many regen from stack storm( i don't use Gathering Storm).

Is a mistake the dev forget for Shaman, like shaman have not a bruild oriented for selft cast skill, all about totem, form from form totem totem !
Última edición por Moine; 4 MAR 2024 a las 5:32 p. m.
Sapient_Pest 4 MAR 2024 a las 5:32 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Moine:
Publicado originalmente por Sapient_Pest:
Sounds like you're primalist, maybe? You are extremely difficult to understand. Off the top of my head you have both Swipe that can be made to regen mana through its skill tree and Gathering Storm which can be made to regen mana both through its skill tree and also from a 5-point bonus from a passive perk in the Shaman tree.

That is your mistake right ? I don t use Gathering Storm you undertands now ? I use only storm bolt with tornado ! Now you undertand ? i have no bonus from stack from Gathering Storm.

For be more clean 2 passives i use from Gathering Storm converted lightning damage to physical and the cost more mana for do more damage !

All other won't work because i don't have any stack storm, or the dev need add a new way for get stacke storm then use only the Gathering Storm skill i don't use it in any way. i don't play werebear, i m humain form only.

Bud, if you refuse to use the tools available to you, that's a you problem, not a game design issue. As for the rest of your post, once again, you are so hard to understand I legitimately have no idea what you are saying.
Ravenkid9266 4 MAR 2024 a las 5:32 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Partyrock:
Mana regen is very powerful in this game. Highly recommended. And since it's percentage-based, having more mana makes the regen more potent.

Lets look at the Mage, you get a base mana of 50 .51 per level and a mana regen of 8, so how much percent mana regen do you need before it feels as impactful as the other methods?
Moine 4 MAR 2024 a las 5:41 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Ravenkid9266:
Publicado originalmente por Partyrock:
Mana regen is very powerful in this game. Highly recommended. And since it's percentage-based, having more mana makes the regen more potent.

Lets look at the Mage, you get a base mana of 50 .51 per level and a mana regen of 8, so how much percent mana regen do you need before it feels as impactful as the other methods?

Mage is bruild for it, but the dev forget about conbinaison with the new skill "Gathering Storm" for shaman.

Because Gathering Storm cast storm bolt, with stack storm, but is not only the only way, like werebear too can cast it.

But tordano too can cast storm bolt, but the cost tornado + storm bolt enchanced the dev not calculate it !

If i spawm 4 tornado is juste ok, if i start spawm tornado alot, full gear regen mp, less mp cost from skill don't solve anything i m constant out of mp in 4 sec.
Ravenkid9266 4 MAR 2024 a las 5:44 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Moine:
Publicado originalmente por Ravenkid9266:

Lets look at the Mage, you get a base mana of 50 .51 per level and a mana regen of 8, so how much percent mana regen do you need before it feels as impactful as the other methods?

Mage is bruild for it

Base mana regen is 8 across the board. Like I said back a page you are thinking of mana like a resource when EHG uses mana in place of long CD abilities, that are traditionally hoarded. In this post I just wanted to point out that mana regen is poor because percent gains on a base of 8 is poor.

You need to go with reduction if possible and/or a builder if you want to continually use a spender, or wait it out.
Sapient_Pest 4 MAR 2024 a las 5:45 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Moine:
Publicado originalmente por Ravenkid9266:

Lets look at the Mage, you get a base mana of 50 .51 per level and a mana regen of 8, so how much percent mana regen do you need before it feels as impactful as the other methods?

Mage is bruild for it, but the dev forget about conbinaison with the new skill "Gathering Storm" for shaman.

Because Gathering Storm cast storm bolt, with stack storm, but is not only the only way, like werebear too can cast it.

But tordano too can cast storm bolt, but the cost tornado + storm bolt enchanced the dev not calculate it !

If i spawm 4 tornado is juste ok, if i start spawm tornado alot, full gear regen mp, less mp cost from skill don't solve anything i m constant out of mp in 4 sec.

Werebear cannot cast Gathering Storm directly. What are you talking about? Do you mean Tempest Strike, in which case they can only proc the tempests? Dude, you are all over the place.

Anyways, is your complaint now just Shaman sucks and not casters in general? Is that where you're moving the goalposts? Because if so, yeah, they are bad, but their issue isn't mana management. At some point you just have to acknowledge your build is bad and needs to be taken back to the drawing board.
Última edición por Sapient_Pest; 4 MAR 2024 a las 5:47 p. m.
Moine 4 MAR 2024 a las 5:48 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Sapient_Pest:
Publicado originalmente por Moine:

That is your mistake right ? I don t use Gathering Storm you undertands now ? I use only storm bolt with tornado ! Now you undertand ? i have no bonus from stack from Gathering Storm.

For be more clean 2 passives i use from Gathering Storm converted lightning damage to physical and the cost more mana for do more damage !

All other won't work because i don't have any stack storm, or the dev need add a new way for get stacke storm then use only the Gathering Storm skill i don't use it in any way. i don't play werebear, i m humain form only.

Bud, if you refuse to use the tools available to you, that's a you problem, not a game design issue. As for the rest of your post, once again, you are so hard to understand I legitimately have no idea what you are saying.

Then tool solve any problem ? Not a game issus ? lets go !

Falconner kill any boss in 2sec,
Necromancer bruild around the item "Wraithlord's Harbour" the minion do 200k sec

Juste that, you like or not game need a balanced game design issue !

But all that not solve my problem, i will juste play of op class god tier of moment, because is frustran get out of mp all time .

Thx you .
Moine 4 MAR 2024 a las 5:50 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Sapient_Pest:
Publicado originalmente por Moine:

Mage is bruild for it, but the dev forget about conbinaison with the new skill "Gathering Storm" for shaman.

Because Gathering Storm cast storm bolt, with stack storm, but is not only the only way, like werebear too can cast it.

But tordano too can cast storm bolt, but the cost tornado + storm bolt enchanced the dev not calculate it !

If i spawm 4 tornado is juste ok, if i start spawm tornado alot, full gear regen mp, less mp cost from skill don't solve anything i m constant out of mp in 4 sec.

Werebear cannot cast Gathering Storm directly. What are you talking about? Do you mean Tempest Strike, in which case they can only proc the tempests? Dude, you are all over the place.

Anyways, is your complaint now just Shaman sucks and not casters in general? Is that where you're moving the goalposts? Because if so, yeah, they are bad, but their issue isn't mana management. At some point you just have to acknowledge your build is bad and needs to be taken back to the drawing board.

I don't tell you werebear cast Gathering Storm, but werebear cast storm bolt !

And yea that i tell, the dev forget ppl who want play selfcast human form shaman, with not minion, not totem no form animal.
Última edición por Moine; 4 MAR 2024 a las 5:55 p. m.
Sapient_Pest 4 MAR 2024 a las 5:54 p. m. 
Yes,

Publicado originalmente por Moine:
Publicado originalmente por Sapient_Pest:

Bud, if you refuse to use the tools available to you, that's a you problem, not a game design issue. As for the rest of your post, once again, you are so hard to understand I legitimately have no idea what you are saying.

Then tool solve any problem ? Not a game issus ? lets go !

Falconner kill any boss in 2sec,
Necromancer bruild around the item "Wraithlord's Harbour" the minion do 200k sec

Juste that, you like or not game need a balanced game design issue !

But all that not solve my problem, i will juste play of op class god tier of moment, because is frustran get out of mp all time .

Thx you .

Not a tool to solve "any problem," although if your reading comprehension is comparable to your diction, it's no surprise you'd get that crossed. There are tools available to you, as a shaman, to regenerate your mana. The fact you don't want to use them is your problem, not a class-design issue.

And at no point did I say shaman is comparable to Falconer, or any other class or spec. I actually VERY SPECIFICALLY said Shaman is bad. However, they're not bad because they have mana regeneration issues. Do you understand that?

Publicado originalmente por Moine:

I don't tell you werebear cast Gathering Storm, but werebear cast storm bolt !

You'll have to excuse me if I misinterpret what you say because, I want to make this very clear, you're extremely, extremely difficult to understand. Your grammar is... well, you'd probably be better off typing whatever your mother-tongue is into google translate and having it translate for you.
Última edición por Sapient_Pest; 4 MAR 2024 a las 5:57 p. m.
Psykrom 4 MAR 2024 a las 6:02 p. m. 
Good for you, you figured it out. Enjoy that OP build.
It is clear as day that you didn't post this for advice anyway but to nag and whine, what a turn-off to read that crap.
Última edición por Psykrom; 4 MAR 2024 a las 6:03 p. m.
Moine 4 MAR 2024 a las 6:03 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Sapient_Pest:
Yes,

Publicado originalmente por Moine:

Then tool solve any problem ? Not a game issus ? lets go !

Falconner kill any boss in 2sec,
Necromancer bruild around the item "Wraithlord's Harbour" the minion do 200k sec

Juste that, you like or not game need a balanced game design issue !

But all that not solve my problem, i will juste play of op class god tier of moment, because is frustran get out of mp all time .

Thx you .

Not a tool to solve "any problem," although if your reading comprehension is comparable to your diction, it's no surprise you'd get that crossed. There are tools available to you, as a shaman, to regenerate your mana. The fact you don't want to use them is your problem, not a class-design issue.

And at no point did I say shaman is comparable to Falconer, or any other class or spec. I actually VERY SPECIFICALLY said Shaman is bad. However, they're not bad because they have mana regeneration issues. Do you understand that?

Then if you kown shaman is bad, i can write a poste for a feedback ? then why you speaking me of tools ?

If i make a feedback or any post, that if for dev solve the problem, then is a game design issus !

Add more unique for tornado bruild( self cast physical damage), add a way for get storm stack other then use Gathering Storm only !

Add a leech many too and get mana of dead mobs ! thx
Última edición por Moine; 4 MAR 2024 a las 6:03 p. m.
Sapient_Pest 4 MAR 2024 a las 6:35 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Moine:
Publicado originalmente por Sapient_Pest:
Yes,



Not a tool to solve "any problem," although if your reading comprehension is comparable to your diction, it's no surprise you'd get that crossed. There are tools available to you, as a shaman, to regenerate your mana. The fact you don't want to use them is your problem, not a class-design issue.

And at no point did I say shaman is comparable to Falconer, or any other class or spec. I actually VERY SPECIFICALLY said Shaman is bad. However, they're not bad because they have mana regeneration issues. Do you understand that?

Then if you kown shaman is bad, i can write a poste for a feedback ? then why you speaking me of tools ?

If i make a feedback or any post, that if for dev solve the problem, then is a game design issus !

Add more unique for tornado bruild( self cast physical damage), add a way for get storm stack other then use Gathering Storm only !

Add a leech many too and get mana of dead mobs ! thx

Because your original whine wasn't that shaman was bad, but that casters have it unfair because of the supposed lack of mana regeneration available. The fact is you've ran from that original complaint so you can continue to cry and complain for the apparent sake of it.
Última edición por Sapient_Pest; 4 MAR 2024 a las 6:36 p. m.
CyberDown 4 MAR 2024 a las 6:52 p. m. 
Ive never seen anyone resist help so hard.
Moine 4 MAR 2024 a las 7:38 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por CyberDown:
Ive never seen anyone resist help so hard.

i don't changed

Publicado originalmente por Sapient_Pest:
Publicado originalmente por Moine:

Then if you kown shaman is bad, i can write a poste for a feedback ? then why you speaking me of tools ?

If i make a feedback or any post, that if for dev solve the problem, then is a game design issus !

Add more unique for tornado bruild( self cast physical damage), add a way for get storm stack other then use Gathering Storm only !

Add a leech many too and get mana of dead mobs ! thx

Because your original whine wasn't that shaman was bad, but that casters have it unfair because of the supposed lack of mana regeneration available. The fact is you've ran from that original complaint so you can continue to cry and complain for the apparent sake of it.

I don't tell the shaman is bad, i tell the mana is unfair for the damage deal vs minion or other class, Secondo i don't cry i write xd .

In case i told i got all mana regen or mana less cost from passive and gear but you strongest tell me go listen play or use tools i m noob xd

Now you change mind, because you see you go wrong ? Show me how you play self cast no cooldown alavanche xd Not i joke !

Man you mistake, Because you ask me like a noob or a newcomer ! Now i will tell you a tips i buyed the game in first alpha from steam when out !

But i don't need normaly tell that, because i give all information for all ppl check the mana from shaman human form have a problem vs damage deal !

The Dev added a new passive from the new skill"Gathering Storm" for storm bolt, now that passive cost too hight mana for the damage bonus who deal and is no big, if the dev want ppl play mana stacker, then give us a way for recovery mana more powerfull then a simple regen mana and less cost mana on skill for a shaman self caster spell.

Like every 5sec for 3sec your skill cost no mana or leech etc etc.
Thx
Última edición por Moine; 4 MAR 2024 a las 7:40 p. m.
DYNIA 4 MAR 2024 a las 8:22 p. m. 
sorc here i have 0 problem with mana

my main skill cost 0 mana and have mana burst that heal mana after 3 hits
static orb have perk that return mana after 3 hits from basic attack
telepot cost low mana
flame ward cost low
gate return mana if i enter into it

tada
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