Lagon is too much (for a first play "campaign playthrough")

[Nerdmigo]

The one shotting is jsut too annoying to be satisfying in any way... one misclick and your out. Thats not really nessecary in a campaing. Within the end game ok. But what do i do now? I am not respeccing all of my Warlock just for the boss. And am already a few levels above said boss. I have maxed out my resistances or close to it.. what now? So leveling up and ginding it is. But is that really nessecary? Maybe tune him down and add more challenge in the late game.

[Kiirozu]

I don't understand.. I've kept seeing these posts about Lagon being OP asf, I kept wondering as I played the game whenever I would get to see this boss. However I finished the campaign and I've already done this boss called Lagon.
It was just one among many boss fight for me. If I can recall correctly I just stood in place and brute forced the boss to death. The only boss I had "problems" with was Majasa in the 2nd stage. Also the mono boss fights have been a sudden one shot death to me.
Much of it (if you cannot tank the dmg) is to get out of the way in the correct moment.

Lagon? Lagon please.

[Psojed]

Capping your resistances isn't a solution, it's a prerequisite so that you won't take extra damage. You want:

- decent health/ward pool to tank the hits you take
- sustain, that means health regen or damage leech (or even quick fingers on the potion hotkey)
- layers of defense, armor, dodge, block, ward generation

You can read more about the available defensive layers in this guide:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3172283743

[Shiyo]

Beat the entire campaign naked.
Lagon is the only time LE felt like an actual video game. Didn't die to him once.
Anyone complaining about Lagon are to blame as to why this genre has been mutilated.

[Nerdmigo]

Originally posted by Shiyo:

Beat the entire campaign naked.
Lagon is the only time LE felt like an actual video game. Didn't die to him once.
Anyone complaining about Lagon are to blame as to why this genre has been mutilated.

You really should put on some clothes.

[Plandemics]

I kinda agree we shouldn't have one shot abilities for no reason. Lagoon casts a beam with his eye and no matter what it one shots. It should just deal huge amount of damage but able to get out of it. The eye damage is nothing like his other skills so no reason for it besides having a one shot mechanic in the game, the only one... why? don't ask me... I guess someone taught of this making the game better somehow while rest of game is a walk in the park. especially stupid to have this one shot ability during campaign when you only have half your build/gear

[Plandemics]

Originally posted by Psojed:

Capping your resistances isn't a solution, it's a prerequisite so that you won't take extra damage. You want:

- decent health/ward pool to tank the hits you take
- sustain, that means health regen or damage leech (or even quick fingers on the potion hotkey)
- layers of defense, armor, dodge, block, ward generation

You can read more about the available defensive layers in this guide:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3172283743

How would you have 2K hp before level 50??? How would this be required to get trough during tutorial/campaign? none of the content before or after lagon's eye beam comes close to his damage/rng luck on positioning to run away on time. Best trick is to stack damage and kill him before bad RNG kick's in and you get the unavoidable eye beam. It has nothing to do with sustainability like leech/regen as its a one shot ability no matter what, only way I could evade is was with invulnerability from shift/dodge skill. If you play the game where none of this is required from 30h+ then suddenly your build requires that for 1 specific boss for literally no reason compared to the whole rest of the game where every attack is avoidable in the whole fricking game. I had no issues with it but just see 0 viable reason for that 1 ability beign overtuned. Not everyone play's a youtube meta 50K pre-made ward build then calls people having skill issues. half the playerbase has literally 0 knowledge on their build besides copying what they seen.

[-=Seedas=-]

Wait until you reach emperor of corpses in monoliths , lagoon is walk in the park if you compare these bosses..

[Sapient_Pest]

Originally posted by Shiyo:

Beat the entire campaign naked.
Lagon is the only time LE felt like an actual video game. Didn't die to him once.
Anyone complaining about Lagon are to blame as to why this genre has been mutilated.

I love it when people make comments like this in relation to an ARPG, because they're not realizing that the actual statement they're making is that there is so much imbalance in the game some classes/specializations can get through basic content with little-to-no grind and preparation where-as others could never dream of doing it as mindlessly. Doing this with something like Falconer or Warlock? Not noteworthy in the slightest. Doing it with pretty much any of the melee builds? Literally impossible without running away from tons upon tons of mobs and grinding your stupid little ass off.

[Pahbi]

Originally posted by Sapient_Pest:

Originally posted by Shiyo:

Beat the entire campaign naked.
Lagon is the only time LE felt like an actual video game. Didn't die to him once.
Anyone complaining about Lagon are to blame as to why this genre has been mutilated.

I love it when people make comments like this in relation to an ARPG, because they're not realizing that the actual statement they're making is that there is so much imbalance in the game some classes/specializations can get through basic content with little-to-no grind and preparation where-as others could never dream of doing it as mindlessly. Doing this with something like Falconer or Warlock? Not noteworthy in the slightest. Doing it with pretty much any of the melee builds? Literally impossible without running away from tons upon tons of mobs and grinding your stupid little ass off.

I've had the opposite experience with Lagon, it all really just depends on the squishyness of the class.

On my warlock the pets needed constant micromanagement and that made the fight super annoying. I found myself constantly re-summoning the pets.

On my sentinel, I just pretty much face tanked everything except the beam and lagon got spanked.

If I had anything I could change about the fight it would be the eye beam telegraph, everything else about the fight is fairly straight forward.

[Psojed]

Originally posted by Plandemics:

How would you have 2K hp before level 50???

Where does it say that you should have 2K hp before level 50?

Originally posted by Plandemics:

How would this be required to get trough during tutorial/campaign?

It's not.

Originally posted by Plandemics:

none of the content before or after lagon's eye beam comes close to his damage/rng luck on positioning to run away on time. Best trick is to stack damage and kill him before bad RNG kick's in and you get the unavoidable eye beam.

You can always see where the beam is going to be. It's not RNG, and it's ALWAYS avoidable.

Originally posted by Plandemics:

It has nothing to do with sustainability like leech/regen as its a one shot ability no matter what, only way I could evade is was with invulnerability from shift/dodge skill.

No, it's absolutely not "one shot ability no matter what". Watch and learn:

https://youtu.be/Vb9y1V1WTiA?t=79

Originally posted by Plandemics:

Not everyone play's a youtube meta 50K pre-made ward build then calls people having skill issues. half the playerbase has literally 0 knowledge on their build besides copying what they seen.

That's what is awesome about Last Epoch. You don't have to play someone else's build. I facetanked Lagon with my own build on Mage, and so did many others.

[SeaHawkH]

Originally posted by Imperium:

Despite somewhat elitist answers, Lagoon is strong, way stronger than anything else so dont feel bad dying to him, just his HP alone is 10 times higher than anything before him. For both stages standing near staircase helps you avoid most but not all attack. The slow circle that appears under your feet must be stepped away from, even with all max resists it will one shot you. His breath also does a ton of damage and should be avoided. It will take you a bunch of tries, that boss ended my hardcore run, its undoutably very strong without a build.

Its an easy boss in the campaign. You just move between the tentacles...its very clear what his moveset is and you have plenty of warning. If you have a terrible build, yeah I can see it. Your ele res isn't capped. sure. This isn't hard. I even cheesed it on my rogue by shooting umbral blades until he died.

[Warsmith Honsou]

I think its just more of a shock because you go from nuking everything to having to have cold resist and the game just drops important mechanics on you out of nowhere.

[Sapient_Pest]

Originally posted by Pahbi:

Originally posted by Sapient_Pest:

I love it when people make comments like this in relation to an ARPG, because they're not realizing that the actual statement they're making is that there is so much imbalance in the game some classes/specializations can get through basic content with little-to-no grind and preparation where-as others could never dream of doing it as mindlessly. Doing this with something like Falconer or Warlock? Not noteworthy in the slightest. Doing it with pretty much any of the melee builds? Literally impossible without running away from tons upon tons of mobs and grinding your stupid little ass off.

I've had the opposite experience with Lagon, it all really just depends on the squishyness of the class.

On my warlock the pets needed constant micromanagement and that made the fight super annoying. I found myself constantly re-summoning the pets.

On my sentinel, I just pretty much face tanked everything except the beam and lagon got spanked.

If I had anything I could change about the fight it would be the eye beam telegraph, everything else about the fight is fairly straight forward.

My response wasn't really in relation to Lagon specifically. Anyways, I don't know what your lock build looks like, but for my two lock builds my summons are so irrelevant to my output that they're not even worth resummoning if they get taken out in the middle of combat, so I guess there's that. One just uses Bone Golem for a meat-shield and the other uses summon skeleton mage to slightly augment output without having to babysit resummon too much.

Originally posted by Psojed:

I facetanked Lagon with my own build on Mage, and so did many others.

What specialization? Because if it's Runemaster, you can randomly distribute passive points in the runemaster tree and accidentally create a tanky ward build.

[DucGrandma]

He's not that hard, but don't take my word, I'm playing necromancer build.

[Psojed]

Originally posted by Sapient_Pest:

Originally posted by Psojed:

I facetanked Lagon with my own build on Mage, and so did many others.

What specialization? Because if it's Runemaster, you can randomly distribute passive points in the runemaster tree and accidentally create a tanky ward build.

Sorcerer :)