Multishot marksman builds?

[Limp Squirrel]

Does anyone know of any decent 1.0 builds for multishot marksman?
My first character did great without the need to find a build one, cause I could plan out the synergies quite easily.

This character, an attempt at a bowazon, just feels gimped. I'm lv 35 and have multishot only at 650-700 damage. Clearing areas is a hassle, it doesn't feel powerful at all. It's rather tedious to play.

I also feel the Marksman tree lacks serious synergy with the rest of the rogue abilities. I was expecting I could convert my mulitshot to lightning to sync with detonating shot.

I'm a bit at a loss here. How do I make this build feasible? I'm also a bit confused on how Bow Damage and Physical Damage interact with skills and weapons overall.

[Psykrom]

Flurry + Multishot has synergy. Just make sure you can sustain the mana cost (see below)
Drelkor's Compass is a bow to look out for (requires level 64).

You can use Shift, Smoke Bomb, Shurikens for bladeshield armor and abrasive arsenal for physical shred chance.

Flurry:
-> 2/2 sap Willpower (+ mana/hit)
-> Boundless Blows
-> Accelerating Impact
-> Pavise 3/5 (feel free to 5/5 and remove points later with better resistance items)
-> Arrow Storm
->Fussillade
-> Relentless 2/2
-> Adrenaline Rush ~3/5

Multishot
-> Won't Back Down (free when out of mana, solves all mana sustain in a tough boss fight)
-> Readied arrows
-> Keep Pushing 'em Around
-> Quick Draw 2/4
-> Piercing Shots 3/3
-> True Strikes 4/4
->Large Quiver 2/2
-> Critical Arrows 3/3

If you have points left put one in 'no easy way out', to benefit from damage on slow effects.

Shurikens
->Alacrity 3/5
->Fan of Blades
->Blade Shield
->Floating Blades 3/3
->Bladed Armor 3/3
->Abrasive Arsenal 4/4
->Ethereal Blades 4/4
->Jagged Edges 2/4

Shift
-> Sleight of Hand 5/5 (to activate shurikens without putting it on the skill bar)
-> Velocity 3/3
-> Momentum 3/3
-> Swift Recovery 3/4 (4/4 if you have mana issues)
-> Shadowslip
-> Elusive
-> Breathing technique
-> Rebound

Once you have sleight of hand for Shurikens, you can use decoy on your skill bar instead and do not have to cast shurikens manually anymore.

Smoke Bomb
-> Moonlight Bomb 3/3
-> Cleansing Steam
-> Concealed in Carnage
-> Lingering Fumes 5/5
-> Rapid Concealment 4/4

EDIT: corrected some typos - forgot Shurikens.
I always use flurry + multishot to level any Rogue + shurikens for blade shield+armor, activated through Shift node sleight of hand 5/5.

[Scipo0419]

To answer your last question first: Physical damage applies to all skills with a "physical" tag for scaling. Bow damage applies to all skills with a "Bow" tag for scaling. Weapon scaling depends on the skill/spell and weapon type. All melee weapons have "+Melee Damage" with Staves and Scepters also having "+Spell Damage", Wands have "+Spell Damage" with Bows being the only option for "+Bow Damage". +Melee/Spell/Bow Damage scale with skills that have those specific tags.

Now to answer your first question: the best Multishot build is to not use Multishot. Yes you specialize in it, but you use Flurry as a Channeled ability to proc Multishot. Floods the screen with Arrows. I threw together a very basic example here: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgRm8RdQ

Dont put too much stock into the skill and passive choices as I just threw it together in like 10 minutes on my phone. But the important skill nodes are: Flurry procs multishot every 6th arrow, and Multishot double casts every 4th time and multiple Arrows can hit the same enemy twice.

Other than that? You can do whatever you want. Bleed build with crimson shroud from Smoke Bomb, poison build with Jade Arrows from Shift, Ballistas buffed by Dark Quiver, bring Hail of Arrows for even more Arrows! The world is your oyster.

[Limp Squirrel]

I just respecced detonating arrow to Flurry, but honestly, it's even more painful now. The clear speed is soo low. I'm at the sand demon just Majelka and it just spawns adds faster than i can take them down.

Generally very disappointed in this class. Apart from the synergy you mentioned, there doesn't seem to be all that versatility to be found here. I was really hoping to a freezing multishot bow build.

[Scipo0419]

Publicado originalmente por Squidcake:

I just respecced detonating arrow to Flurry, but honestly, it's even more painful now. The clear speed is soo low. I'm at the sand demon just Majelka and it just spawns adds faster than i can take them down.

Generally very disappointed in this class. Apart from the synergy you mentioned, there doesn't seem to be all that versatility to be found here. I was really hoping to a freezing multishot bow build.

Regarding Freezing Multishot, unfortunately no. Multishot is physical only per it's skill tree, and none of the uniques convert it either.

Something else must be going on for your build do be doing so little damage. I watched my wife clear entire screens before I could even reach enemies with a Flurry Multishot build. Is your Multishot specced for "Giant Slayer"?

[Abewr]

I started MM as well and found the story to be a really smooth leveling experience with puncture and scaling bleed, but that's not what you want to use. Maybe it'll feel better if you get some more levels since you respecced? I found MM issues really start to show endgame where you see how weak bow builds are, which is unfortunate because I wanted to play one and take it to high corruption. There's the really good explosive trap setup that doesn't run any MM passives or even a bow but is MM in name only due to running the class skill lol. It's dual daggers. It's depressing looking at MM arena rankings..

[Psykrom]

Even wrote it down in priority. The build the other guy posted is almost the same, just taking lower arm of multishot instead of the upper.

Dark Quiver is always an option, but I never saw the need for more damage but more defense. Shurikens got both, damage, phys resistance shred and armor. Just stand next to the tough boss and keep firing. Get some health leech.
Could drop smoke cloud for shurikens and keep the quiver. I guess I will try it out leveling my next rogue.

The way I set up multishot you do more damage before everything comes online. You do not have to worry about mana either grabbing 'won't back down' first thing.


Maybe your bow is not good?

Get some flat physical damage and % physical damage on a bow with as high tier as possible. If there is forging potential left, any affixes that help you out, like shred armor and physical penetration or even bleed chance. But even with crap gear, most of that stuff comes online for you with the skills I wrote down, one by one.

If you want to play elemental, it's an entirely different story. Either you got gear or you don't. If you don't physical damage is the way to level clean and fast in my opinion.

[Limp Squirrel]

Publicado originalmente por Scipo0419:

Publicado originalmente por Squidcake:

I just respecced detonating arrow to Flurry, but honestly, it's even more painful now. The clear speed is soo low. I'm at the sand demon just Majelka and it just spawns adds faster than i can take them down.

Generally very disappointed in this class. Apart from the synergy you mentioned, there doesn't seem to be all that versatility to be found here. I was really hoping to a freezing multishot bow build.

Regarding Freezing Multishot, unfortunately no. Multishot is physical only per it's skill tree, and none of the uniques convert it either.

Something else must be going on for your build do be doing so little damage. I watched my wife clear entire screens before I could even reach enemies with a Frenzy Multishot build. Is your Multishot specced for "Giant Slayer"?

I didn't spec in Gaint Slayer, no because of what I originally had in mind (which turned out not be very feasible. It would take me quite some time and a lot of tedious grinding to get the MM respec points back I think.
If linking Multishot to Flurry is the only real viable MM build, I think I'm just going to retire this build. The consensus seems to be that bow builds are unfortunately quite gimped (albeit a few defined builds).
I'm a bit disappointed that balance checks will only happen after each cycle, so this class may or may not see any positive changes (big if). All in all, from the sound of it, it seems bow builds are pretty subpar.

[Psykrom]

Scipo0419 - you keep saying frenzy, but that's just a positive ailment as in a buff.
You mean flurry I guess?

[Ayk-]

Marksman is in a bad spot right now. Like, terrible. 0.9 nerfs was too much for the mastery.
The best marksman build in ladder/high corrutpions is a melee Jelkor's build that takes ZERO passive points from the Marksman tree. They just take the mastery to unlock Detonating Arrow.
If bow attacks not correctly hitting bug is fixed, Multishot with Drelkor's Compass could work if you are okay with farming below 300 corruption.

[Psykrom]

Terrible spot, are you serious?
You can target farm reign of winter EASILY.
You can then play detonating arrow, explosive trap.
You can play bleed multishot with 1000 stacks of bleed,
There is a lot of options, nothing comes closer to Diablo 3 Demon Hunter screen clearing bow multishot build.

[Limp Squirrel]

Publicado originalmente por Ayk-:

Marksman is in a bad spot right now. Like, terrible. 0.9 nerfs was too much for the mastery.
The best marksman build in ladder/high corrutpions is a melee Jelkor's build that takes ZERO passive points from the Marksman tree. They just take the mastery to unlock Detonating Arrow.
If bow attacks not correctly hitting bug is fixed, Multishot with Drelkor's Compass could work if you are okay with farming below 300 corruption.

So much sadness, That Jelkor's melee marksman with 0 markman skills build made me cry and giggle..

[Psykrom]

Are you resilient to advice? You are at level 35 and said having issues but here you let yourself getting derailed to worry about if you'll be able to farm the highest content possible instead?

Reaching monoliths sounds like the first milestone to consider worrying about.

Anyway, guess I will record reaching monos with a marksman next, practice what I preach and get it taped as well.

[Abewr]

Publicado originalmente por Psykrom:

Terrible spot, are you serious?
You can target farm reign of winter EASILY.
You can then play detonating arrow, explosive trap.
You can play bleed multishot with 1000 stacks of bleed,
There is a lot of options, nothing comes closer to Diablo 3 Demon Hunter screen clearing bow multishot build.

Well I hope you can do it because right now Mattjestic is doing a lot of tweaking and variants to the current top jelkhor setup and the new HP variant looks like it should easily go above 500 arena. It just sucks there's no bow builds up there.

[Ayk-]

Publicado originalmente por Psykrom:

Terrible spot, are you serious?
You can target farm reign of winter EASILY.
You can then play detonating arrow, explosive trap.
You can play bleed multishot with 1000 stacks of bleed,
There is a lot of options, nothing comes closer to Diablo 3 Demon Hunter screen clearing bow multishot build.

Yeah, you can do those if you are contempt with farming below 200 corruption only.
Lower it by another 100 if the player is bad at dodging enemy attacks.

[Psykrom]

Publicado originalmente por Abe:

Well I hope you can do it because right now Mattjestic is doing a lot of tweaking and variants to the current top jelkhor setup and the new HP variant looks like it should easily go above 500. It just sucks there's no bow builds up there.

He advertises his own lightning marksman being able to 100-1000 corruption but cannot back it up himself. That's why I don't care about streamers and their empty promises.

I don't see any value in all of that, considering a player around level 35 facing troubles progressing further.