Gender Lock Discussion Threads

[Godsworn]

First and foremost, if this post is longer than your attention-span, simply skip to the bottom and comment something dismissive.

There are many reasons someone might consider gender-lock a severe hindrance to their experience. Below are just a few, and demonstrate why gender-lock can be restrictive, and therefore why this is an outspoken issue:

• Immersion/Escapism (People [often with dreary lives] seeking escape in the form of digital media may 'lack the imagination' to project themselves onto a member of the opposite sex.)
  
• Aesthetic (Like a casting director for a movie, some players want to encapsulate a specific 'character' when they 'create a character', and may justifiably refuse to cast a different gender for the role.)
  
• Customization/Uniqueness (Some people simply desire free-reign in creating something uniquely their own, and being locked to a single gender may increase the feeling of being a replacable 'carbon copy' of other players, a feeling skill-trees also aim to alleviate.)

If you're someone who considers the complaints about 'Gender-Lock' stupid, I'm hopeful that this small exercise in 'Perspective-taking' can help you see issues from a perspective that is not your own. (An essential part of being human.)

I also hope you understand that discussion threads like these are how people make their voices heard in hopes of achieving change that accommodates their personal preferences.

Welcome to the end. You're welcome to express your own views below, or just call these viewpoints 'stupid', because yours is clearly superior. Cheers.
(Personally, I'll be waiting until this feature is released to purchase the game.)

[Kao]

yawn

[Godsworn]

Originally posted by Kao:

yawn

This post seemed longer than your attention span. I added some italics, underlines, boldtext, bullet lists, and other graphical niceties to make it more palatable. Cheers.

[Bongobob]

Gender Lock Discussion Threads nr. 1337

[Godsworn]

Originally posted by Bongobob:

Gender Lock Discussion Threads nr. 1337

I'm glad thousands of others express their desire for change to accommodate their experience preferences. Cheers.

[tankanidis]

Originally posted by Godsworn:

Immersion/Escapism (People [often with dreary lives] seeking escape in the form of digital media may 'lack the imagination' to project themselves onto a member of the opposite sex.)

That's a lot of misleading

if someone 'lacks' the imagination, then they should work on their imagination, not a fantasy world bend to their 'lack' of it

Did you read the Lord of the Rings and want Frodo to be Conan the Barbarian?
Should he be She-Hulk TV series?

There are people roleplaying as Tyranids right now as we speak, do you want Tyranids to have dreadlocks and speak with accents for diversity purposes too?

You can imagine yourself as anyone and anything

It's called 'imagination' for a reason, because your brain's computing power is the limiting factor on what you can 'imagine'

If everyone conceeded to the weakest of imaginations, we would never invent new technologies or advance human society in any way, shape or form

It takes imagination to see things that don't exist and bring them into reality

Train your imagination just like you would train your body in a gym

Stop being lazy

[Nocte]

"Due to the requirements of duplicating animations, armour fitting, and most importantly voice acting, as well as ensuring distinct silhouettes for characters to stand out from the background, character customization is not currently planned for LE."
I only repost the comment on this topic from the developers on their discord-server. Some research and you know the answer. Discussion closed.

[Godsworn]

Originally posted by Nocte:

"Due to the requirements of duplicating animations, armour fitting, and most importantly voice acting, as well as ensuring distinct silhouettes for characters to stand out from the background, character customization is not currently planned for LE."
I only repost the comment on this topic from the developers on their discord-server. Some research and you know the answer. Discussion closed.

I am aware of this quote, I'm not discussing why genders were locked. I'm explaining why people consider it an important issue. Cheers friend.

[Twisty]

Sounds like some pretty dang good close-mindedness and lack of imagination if people can't portray their own character into a game regardless of their character's gender.

For instance, my druid is a burly man in game, however I like to see him as an even burlier man with a hairy body, big pecs.... I'll be back in a minute.

Where was I....... The armour covers the entire body of the character and only their voice, in certain situations comes out. It can't be too hard for people to project their ideal RP character onto their ingame avatar

[Frost]

It doesn't matter how eloquently you put it, the topic is still stupid.

[Godsworn]

Originally posted by tankanidis:

Originally posted by Godsworn:

Immersion/Escapism (People [often with dreary lives] seeking escape in the form of digital media may 'lack the imagination' to project themselves onto a member of the opposite sex.)

That's a lot of misleading

if someone 'lacks' the imagination, then they should work on their imagination, not a fantasy world bend to their 'lack' of it

Did you read the Lord of the Rings and want Frodo to be Conan the Barbarian?
Should he be She-Hulk TV series?

There are people roleplaying as Tyranids right now as we speak, do you want Tyranids to have dreadlocks and speak with accents for diversity purposes too?

You can imagine yourself as anyone and anything

It's called 'imagination' for a reason, because your brain's computing power is the limiting factor on what you can 'imagine'

If everyone conceeded to the weakest of imaginations, we would never invent new technologies or advance human society in any way, shape or form

It takes imagination to see things that don't exist and bring them into reality

Train your imagination just like you would train your body in a gym

Stop being lazy

Originally posted by Twistybanana:

Sounds like some pretty dang good close-mindedness and lack of imagination if people can't portray their own character into a game regardless of their character's gender.

For instance, my druid is a burly man in game, however I like to see him as an even burlier man with a hairy body, big pecs.... I'll be back in a minute.

Where was I....... The armour covers the entire body of the character and only their voice, in certain situations comes out. It can't be too hard for people to project their ideal RP character onto their ingame avatar

I apologize, but some people place more significant weight on their masculinity or femininity- and thus are less 'gender-fluid' in their imaginations than you are.

Thus when they project themselves into a fantasy medium, sharing a gender as common ground can be a significant help in projecting yourself in the place of a protagonist.

Hope this helps you understand a different viewpoint. Cheers.

[Godsworn]

Originally posted by Frost:

It doesn't matter how eloquently you put it, the topic is still stupid.

I'm sorry that you categorize the impact gender restrictions have on an entire plethora of desired experiences as stupid. Cheers.

[Twisty]

Originally posted by Godsworn:

Thus when they project themselves into a fantasy medium, sharing a gender as common ground can be a significant help in projecting yourself in the place of a protagonist.

Hope this helps you understand a different viewpoint. Cheers.

So what you're saying is: If a man or woman is on screen, you can't think of them being anything other than a man or a woman? Not even like a dragon or a petite lizard/alien hybrid that came to earth 45 years ago and has been living as an insurance salesperson?

[Godsworn]

Originally posted by Twistybanana:

Originally posted by Godsworn:

Thus when they project themselves into a fantasy medium, sharing a gender as common ground can be a significant help in projecting yourself in the place of a protagonist.

Hope this helps you understand a different viewpoint. Cheers.

So what you're saying is: If a man or woman is on screen, you can't think of them being anything other than a man or a woman? Not even like a dragon or a petite lizard/alien hybrid that came to earth 45 years ago and has been living as an insurance salesperson?

My imagination isn't strong enough to disregard what is infront of my eyes to that degree as to imagine changes to core design features such as gender or race. When a visual pops up in a book I'm reading, that suddenly becomes the new mind-image for that character whether it matches what I imagined previously or not.

I'd wager your imagination is stronger than mine, and I rely heavily on the visual aspect of videogames to help my imagination along.

[keny]

But my gender, how will you play now you poor thing. Who cares.

[Prometheus]

I have to ask you. How valuable do you consider these things? I should rephrase. How many hours of human work do you consider them worth? Adding what you are asking for is not as easy as you seem to be assuming. Male and female bodies ARE NOT THE SAME. They require a lot of work. From designing the skeleton to redoing ALL THE ANIMATIONS and making copies of ALL THE GEAR to fit the new skeleton. Don't forget all the testing that has to be done to make sure none of this looks silly once applied in game (Example: does sword A clip into the new model's head during this animation?).

I'm also probably leaving out loads of other work that has to be done but my point is made. They make the character one sex because it literally halves the work needed to design the character.