About the Arena Key gold price nerf

[Rico]

Today's patch gutted the gold farming method for CoH players leaving no alternative, and I think that's completely fine.
It is fine because it was exploited by MG players who knew about the key farming method and used that to get a headstart in the Broker. It also gave a very good method for Gold farmer bots.

What is NOT fine is the complete lack of counter balance for any affected CoH players. All of the negative comments and solutions I have read so far is to make another gold farming method (which then would be exploited by the above mentioned MG players and bots).
What we actually need, that I haven't read anywhere is a massive reduction in the stash tab prices to compensate for the lack of reliable gold.

As it currently stands the only real use of gold for non-MG players are Stash tabs, the Lightless Arbor and Runes of Shatter. Runes can be target farmed elsewhere and the LA's main purpose is to be an endgame gold sink, however for stash tabs there is no alternative method of obtaining them. Reducing their price would positively affect CoH players who have to hoard several tabs of items either for Alts or for Legendary crafting, while not giving any additional exploits for bad actors. Also for implementation I don't think it would require any more work than changing some numbers and a few lines of codes for the devs.

I know the EHG team reads these forums, so I wanted to put this out there and make this idea heard.

[Lain]

so people are already ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the game with gold selling ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥?

[twiztidloaf]

An easy-ish fix to this without requiring HUGE changes? CoF could have a +X% to gold dropped. Add that in as one of the tier reward unlocks. That would allow them to keep up in a marginally better manner.

[oldschooldiablo]

Opprinnelig skrevet av twiztidloaf:

An easy-ish fix to this without requiring HUGE changes? CoF could have a +X% to gold dropped. Add that in as one of the tier reward unlocks. That would allow them to keep up in a marginally better manner.

U might want to think about what u wrote.

This will just open up the door for RMT. Which they are trying to combat

U get plenty of gold drops already. Never once since 2019 have I needed to sell keys to get more gold.

[GOD OF WAR SANCHEZ]

Opprinnelig skrevet av JoeWhizer:

I have around 30 stash tabs already, sitting on 1.7 million gold and didn't sell a single key and I'm playing CoF --- I find it pretty okay to get to gold and buy stash tabs.

doing the echo rewards with gold is a pretty good income for gold over time.

I am at 60 stash tabs and a single one now, costs 600k, I have 800k left. I have 150 hours in, and I did not even make stash tabs for ALTS.

[zenebatos1]

The arena key farm was the ONLY realistic way to make gold

If at least they would up the value of trash loot when you sell it...

Cause when you start off the game or a new character on SSF and you need to get runes to smask gear for shards and they all cost 2k a piece, its annoying as ♥♥♥♥ to be sitting there and sell items that has a value of 40gp...

[Ayk-]

I am pretty sure 1.1 will make CoF offline only. Devs day by day show they are inexperienced in ARPG even as players if not developers and ruin the game further each patch.
The way how they designed the faction system is fundamentally flawed and nerfing arena keys will not harm RMTers, it will just piss off the average player base.

[ImOnYourSide]

COF? You need 20 million to buy a decent item in merchs guild

[Schobbob]

I wasn't even using prophecies for keys I just sold keys that dropped randomly and from echo nodes, now those keys and the key echo nodes are completely worthless to me.
This is just annoying to have a bunch of worthless echo nodes on the grid now.

[ImOnYourSide]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Schobbob:

I wasn't even using prophecies for keys I just sold keys that dropped randomly and from echo nodes, now those keys and the key echo nodes are completely worthless to me.
This is just annoying to have a bunch of worthless echo nodes on the grid now.

Ya the monolith systems needs an overhaul, it won't work for endgame any more than D4 dungeons do.

[JoeWhizer]

Opprinnelig skrevet av JustSmile:

Opprinnelig skrevet av JoeWhizer:

emm, no? I usually get around 15-20k, sometimes 30+ when the double reward hits. 4-5 of them and I have 100k gold farmed. Not sure what you're doing.

I just did a few cash echoes, got 9k, 10k, 8k, 9k. With a bit of variance I'll assume it drops just shy of 10k base and scales a bit with corruption (this was on a character that barely unlocked empowered monos). So yea - still really unimpressed with it as a gold farming method when you need to find and run 10-15 of them for one tab, and that number only increases.

I agree, you're right. I probably had some luck when I checked it last time. Did some for testing as well, and usually the reward is like 8-10k. Mostly I get 12-15k overall for the complete echo with including reward. Sometimes bit more, if you have gold shrine in there.

Nevertheless, I don't feel like its needed to increase it. As most probably you won't need more tabs than like 40-50. I have now 10 tabs only for exhalts, and to be honest, half of it is utter trash I suppose.

Now I only show stuff that has at least 1 T7 or 2 T6 stats, and I only pick it up when I could use it for this or another char. And Uniques only if they have at least 2LP. Others I just sell, and I only keep multiple versions of the very strong ones. And for quite a long time now, I just replace stuff in my stash with stuff I found with better stats.

I think if we organize our stash better, and don't pickup trash, we're pretty much fine.

In PoE I have also more than 100 stash tabs and if I play a league for 3 weeks, I barely use half of them. And usually I play SSF. Just for a time I bought a supporter pack when a major patch came out and at some point, just put the points in character slots and stash tabs.

If you just shrink the price of tabs or increase gold drop so everyone can afford the 200 tabs, stash management become just non-relevant as people just pick up all stuff. And I also like the stash management aspect of an ARPG game, think about what you pickup/keep.

Also at a point of 100+ stash tabs that are full of loot, it gets so messy if you don't organize it very well.

And in most, if not all other ARPG games, including Grim Dawn, you haven't even 10-20% of that stash size you can get in LE.

[JustSmile]

I suppose I'm just angry the devs pounced like wolves on a convenient way to farm gold in interest of "fairness" while at the same time actively deciding to ignore a Warlock bug that renders all leaderboards for this season invalid and meaningless.

Almost as if one of those would decrease grind, and in doing so drive down player activity numbers, and the decision was not made with improving the game in mind but with keeping hour numbers higher. >.>

[Machin Shin]

for what do you need so much gold ?, change is fine

[eDo]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Machin Shin:

for what do you need so much gold ?, change is fine

It affects the online part and the auction house

if you play online ssf or generally offline then it doesn't affect you

Every game with trading and online has RMT problems, regardless of the genre

Personally, I always play SSF so it doesn't affect me either

But you really don't have to deal with idiots and their effects in an online game

[JustSmile]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Machin Shin:

for what do you need so much gold ?, change is fine

If you want more than a dozen tabs they quickly climb into hundreds of thousands each. Also Arbor is a gold sink.

[roshok]

Opprinnelig skrevet av M.D. Geist:

yes, that current exponential price increase is not good. probably some kind of asymtotic s curve would be better.

Isn't it an additional 10k per tab? Far from being exponential.