Gear Progression After lvl 100 Explained

[GOD OF WAR SANCHEZ]

It is incredibly slow. You will spend much less time leveling to level 100, than farming a single piece of end game gear, not even the BiS, but just decent end game piece.

Does the game really expect players to spend 1000-3000 hours grinding for end game gear? Will there be seasons or anything that makes characters worthless in the long run?

Here is a practical example of Omni drop, omni is not even a best amulet ingame, it is just basic in end game.

1. Only drops from oroboros, so about 3-10 times as rare as regular bosses.
2. Drop rate is about 10%, kill 10 oroboros, omni drops once.
3. Omni has high roll variety, a chance of dropping omni with semi decent stats rolls on it, is about 20%, one out of five will be alright, if you want a good one it is one out of 15-20.
4. Omni drops with LP0, end game is all about slamming legendaries together. Chance to drop LP1 is less than 10%.
5. To exalt slam the right stat and not ruin amulet completely, the chance is roughly 25%

1/5 regular boss drop x 1/10 drop rate x 1/10 decent stats x 1/10 lp1 x 1/4 proper stat exalt slam

1/20.000 boss fights or 1/4000 oroboros fights on high corruption, now if we take that you farm high corruption echoes with a rate of 30-60 minutes per monolith run. you will spend anywhere from 2000 hours to 4000 hours to get yourself an amulet piece. Not the best one again.

Only one amulet only for one build. About the same thing happens with all other gear slots.

[Biff]

You just sold me on this game. I actually thought this game basically handed out your "build defining" gear with little to no effort, like D3 and D4. If you're telling me there's potentially an endless grind for gear at endgame, I'm in.

[RodHull]

Originally posted by Biff:

You just sold me on this game. I actually thought this game basically handed out your "build defining" gear with little to no effort, like D3 and D4. If you're telling me there's potentially an endless grind for gear at endgame, I'm in.

Oof bad news for you.

1) You don't need BIS gear. You can in the words of the developer progress to low level corruption 'deliberately building bad' if you just (again in the words of the developer) pick all the nodes that say 'more damage' you can easily rock mid to high tier corruption so long as you master the second point.

2) Learn to not stand in the bad - yes thats the game, normal mobs even elites will rarely pose a threat to you, the big glowing ground attacks, learn to dodge those. There you go now you don't need BIS slot gear.

@OP
The best gear in the game has a 1 in 16 quintillian drop rate... and no I'm not exaggerating. In the words of the developer the gear is 'theoretical and not to be found'

[Scipo0419]

The selling point is to customize your gear to fit your needs with the Forge. If you're looking for the 1 in 16 quintillion drop, you're doing it wrong.

[FPDevilTech]

those numbers lol . im running as an example on my 1 char 900 corruption . I had in hm.. 3 -4 hours maybe 5-6 omnis dropps . 2 of those with LP . and i was eating in between.. getting some prophecys etc. so idk what you want. Sorry that its not D4 and you're geard right away.

[RodHull]

Originally posted by Scipo0419:

The selling point is to customize your gear to fit your needs with the Forge. If you're looking for the 1 in 16 quintillion drop, you're doing it wrong.

That's the point you don't need any of it. Most builds will function nearly as well with sub optimal but still targeted gear so long as you pick the right skill nodes and abuse the correct broken mechanics like perma freeze. Hence why such stupid drop rates even exist, they are there to tempt the uninformed while not actually being real items you can find or even need.

[CawsMeCal]

Originally posted by RodHull:

Originally posted by Scipo0419:

The selling point is to customize your gear to fit your needs with the Forge. If you're looking for the 1 in 16 quintillion drop, you're doing it wrong.

That's the point you don't need any of it. Most builds will function nearly as well with sub optimal but still targeted gear so long as you pick the right skill nodes and abuse the correct broken mechanics like perma freeze. Hence why such stupid drop rates even exist, they are there to tempt the uninformed while not actually being real items you can find or even need.

The beginning stuff you don't need optimal gear the later stuff you do. The campaign is meant to be pants on head easy yet still some people struggle with Lagon for example. Ideally you hit a wall, grind up more gear to push past, hit a wall, etc. The balance might not be like that and perfect yet and I am sure some weird things are going on with RNG but meh. Feels like I get good gear for characters I am not playing as all the time so make sure you have multiple builds laid out and planned in the loot filter it may be they want people to trade good gear around from drops for MG or gear alts around in a circle for CoF. Who knows.

[asdaf]

merchant guild

[Ravenkid9266]

Some items had a developer confirmed drop rate of 1 in 16 Quintilian, and that was pre drop rate nerf, and excluding variance rolls. Despite that people did push 6000+ corruption without bis items.

Edit: if you understand player power and where it comes from and what genre LE actually is in the decisions are quite simple.

[Shiyo]

None of this matters because you can clear 500 corruption with trash gear..
Why farm to 1 shot harder? There's no difficulty so no reason to get stronger.

[CawsMeCal]

Originally posted by Ravenkid9266:

Some items had a developer confirmed drop rate of 1 in 16 Quintilian, and that was pre drop rate nerf, and excluding variance rolls. Despite that people did push 6000+ corruption without bis items.

Edit: if you understand player power and where it comes from and what genre LE actually is in the decisions are quite simple.

It does kinda feel like they gave an insanely high, multiple roll for both making sure people aren't instantly OP BiS and not smashing thru everything but making the carrot harder to reach so they can implement more stuff over time. I feel like the current gear will become easier to get as new content comes in with new gear being as hard to get and repeat. Hopefully they fix a little bit of the crazy or do something to balance it out so it feels a little better.

[CawsMeCal]

Originally posted by Shiyo:

None of this matters because you can clear 500 corruption with trash gear..
Why farm to 1 shot harder? There's no difficulty so no reason to get stronger.

Being able to clear 500 corruption with trash gear is not an intended thing and is likely people exploiting the bugs or something. Most people now get to like 200 before they hit a wall. I haven't seen anyone not exploiting talk about 500 corruption.

[Shiyo]

Originally posted by Cal:

Originally posted by Shiyo:

None of this matters because you can clear 500 corruption with trash gear..
Why farm to 1 shot harder? There's no difficulty so no reason to get stronger.

Being able to clear 500 corruption with trash gear is not an intended thing and is likely people exploiting the bugs or something. Most people now get to like 200 before they hit a wall. I haven't seen anyone not exploiting talk about 500 corruption.

I beat the entire campaign without gear on as a necro not copying any build.
The entire game is a joke. From level1 until 100000000000 corruption.

[CawsMeCal]

Originally posted by Shiyo:

Originally posted by Cal:

Being able to clear 500 corruption with trash gear is not an intended thing and is likely people exploiting the bugs or something. Most people now get to like 200 before they hit a wall. I haven't seen anyone not exploiting talk about 500 corruption.

I beat the entire campaign without gear on as a necro not copying any build.
The entire game is a joke. From level1 until 100000000000 corruption.

Share your account name and character name then to see if you are exploiting any bugs. You might be without realizing it.

[Ravenkid9266]

Originally posted by Cal:

Originally posted by Ravenkid9266:

Some items had a developer confirmed drop rate of 1 in 16 Quintilian, and that was pre drop rate nerf, and excluding variance rolls. Despite that people did push 6000+ corruption without bis items.

Edit: if you understand player power and where it comes from and what genre LE actually is in the decisions are quite simple.

It does kinda feel like they gave an insanely high, multiple roll for both making sure people aren't instantly OP BiS and not smashing thru everything but making the carrot harder to reach so they can implement more stuff over time. I feel like the current gear will become easier to get as new content comes in with new gear being as hard to get and repeat. Hopefully they fix a little bit of the crazy or do something to balance it out so it feels a little better.

The developer mike said something along the lines of you are not supposed to be farming for those items anyway.

So I question it.

Those super rare BiS items are not something to chase, and farm for according to mike, but more like happy little accidents of RNG. Something for people to boast about and celebrate when they do happen. However I remember when a youtuber was chased off the internet for a time due to claims of editing in items. He was, but that's not the point, the point is these items are so rare to boast about them is to invite the mob.

[keysy]

Agree that you don't need that type of gear.
No hard "pinnacle" end game thing (for now i hope) that requires to optimise gear as to beat it (like uber ubers).
And all you do is basically like pushing greater rifts in Diablo 3. It's ok, i guess, if you like to compete in leaderboards.