Why PoE Players Hate Last Epoch

[Sam]

PathOfExile Super-Fans be warned:

- you do not need 1000+ hours to understand 5% of the game
- crafting has more than enough depth but can be done without the equivalent of a PhD in time and braincells invested
- you do not need 3rd party crafting simulators
- you do not need 3rd party build planners and autopilot path of building every league to play something viable
- you do not need 3rd party authohotkey macros to check prices on items
- you do not need 3rd party trading websites for trade
- you do not need to whisper a million people who are afk to get a trade
- you do not need a bazingajillion currency items to have a proper economy
- you are not forced to buy into pay2win stash tabs to trade properly
- people who say you can play PoE without p2w stash tabs like to eat noodles without sauce
- you do not need two dozens of 3rd party wiki articles opened at all time, bc the game has a proper ingame guide for almost all the stuff
- endgame is not having 500+ mobs on screen and 2000+ projectiles per second exploding into -20 fps
- endgame is not juicing t2 & t3 maps for braindead gameplay but maximum efficency
- your character does not look like a homeless hobo without MTX
- the game can be enjoyed while having a life and without a beard on your neck
- the game is not bloated by jizzjillions of cramped into decade old season mechanics
- the new player experience is fun and not worse than even EvE online's
- the game has damage numbers, which you can hide, if your a strange person
- the game has proper toolstips explaining exactly what stuff does
- unlike GGG, EHG developers said they will actually care about RMT and ban cheaters

[Chays]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Fear Denies Faith:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Chays:

You will soon realize that it's the same in LE or do you think that with your small number of playing hours you know how balance LE is? All you have to do is look at the rankings... but as always, the rose-colored glasses only fall off when you feel it firsthand. Someone who has no ideas of their own will have to follow guides in last epoch too, and they will all play the same thing because It's normal that some build is the strongest.... and since last epoch has far less build variety than Poe, this will be even more noticeable here.. but the complaining always comes later. and as long as a game is new to someone with little experience, everything else is bad ;)

In Last Epoch, each skill has their own dedicated skill tree, and can be freely respecced and swapped at the cost of a few skill points; you have accelerated XP gain if a skill is below the level it's "supposed" to be. Similarly, passives can be removed at will for a small fee in gold (which quickly becomes meaningless).

In Path of Exile, points can only be respecced through rare tokens gained from the story or heavy grinding.

It's not about how many build options there are, but how easily a novice player can adjust their build if they make the "wrong" choice.

Every skill in poe also has its own tree, see the branches in the skill tree simply as support gems that you attach to the skill. And that's just the basis, the changes that are possible behind it far exceed everything else.


and sorry but I don't want to talk about the respec points because anyone who has even a vague idea knows how easy it is to respcc in POE.

[Bärenpower]

8k+ hours poe player here. OP is right and thats why I am hyped for last epoch

[Ayk-]

Orb of regrets as rare tokens...
LOL.
Heavy grinding..

This is so funny, not even worth a serious argument over it.
By the way, lower level speccing in LE can hurt, much more than POE actually, because you are losing skill level, aka the biggest source of your player power. You won't have experience tomes available in campaign to cover the loss quickly.
To simulate it in PoE, you would have to stop socketing support gems to your skills.

[Chays]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Bärenpower:

8k+ hours poe player here. OP is right and thats why I am hyped for last epoch

very smart to play a game for 8k hours that you don't like or can't ^^

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Chays:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Bärenpower:

8k+ hours poe player here. OP is right and thats why I am hyped for last epoch

very smart to play a game for 8k hours that you don't like or can't ^^

So, prior to Last Epoch releasing, what ARPG would you recommend for someone who's bored of Path of Exile?

[Chays]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Fear Denies Faith:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Chays:

very smart to play a game for 8k hours that you don't like or can't ^^

So, prior to Last Epoch releasing, what ARPG would you recommend for someone who's bored of Path of Exile?

Whatever you enjoy, last epoch is a good choice... but that doesn't mean you have to hate other games because of it.

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Chays:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Fear Denies Faith:

So, prior to Last Epoch releasing, what ARPG would you recommend for someone who's bored of Path of Exile?

Whatever you enjoy, last epoch is a good choice... but that doesn't mean you have to hate other games because of it.

I don't hate other ARPG's in general, not even Diablo 4. I DO, however, hate PoE, because I've made multiple attempts to get into it and been rebuffed every time by its obtuse systems and restricted respeccing.

[Haruko_]

Been playing PoE for years and I like both games. Weird I know.

[Lucidess]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Penkala:

What is it with this bitterness of LE fans? On reddit they blast anyone who says something good about D4 or PoE, but also hate any criticism of their game. As someone who desperately thinks PoE needs a good competitor, the fanbase doesn't help LE at all.

Blame PoE's and D4's high high standards for trying to rip you off. They do a very good job of it. Last Epoch is a new game, it has potential to not be like PoE or D4. That's it.

[Penkala]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ayk-:

Orb of regrets as rare tokens...
LOL.
Heavy grinding..

This is so funny, not even worth a serious argument over it.
By the way, lower level speccing in LE can hurt, much more than POE actually, because you are losing skill level, aka the biggest source of your player power. You won't have experience tomes available in campaign to cover the loss quickly.
To simulate it in PoE, you would have to stop socketing support gems to your skills.

Yeah it's easy to tell when someone hasn't played PoE and they just parrot memes they've heard. Also people seem to like being locked into subclasses in this game, something you can respec in PoE.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Lucidess:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Penkala:

What is it with this bitterness of LE fans? On reddit they blast anyone who says something good about D4 or PoE, but also hate any criticism of their game. As someone who desperately thinks PoE needs a good competitor, the fanbase doesn't help LE at all.

Blame PoE's and D4's high high standards for trying to rip you off. They do a very good job of it. Last Epoch is a new game, it has potential to not be like PoE or D4. That's it.

This reply is so nonsensical I'm just gonna tell you that I like turtles.

[Nick]

As a POE player, i love last epoch.

[Multihack]

Opprinnelig skrevet av kongkim:

He is not fully wrong, there are a lot of hate in general on the net agaist the ARPG paople are not plating, mostly going around Diablo, PoE and LE.
Its like a war were some people just need to smack talk the other games.

He's mostly wrong, but I agree with your last sentence.

Because ok some of us have an issue and we bring up legitimate critcism. You'd expect people who are not satisfied to be on the forums. But why are all these people who love playing the game spending time 24/7 here? Pretty much any game I love playing I never visit the forums, except to ask a Q and then I'm gone.

If I didn't know any better I'd say it was paid shills; but I've seen crazy behaviour before so you can never be sure.

[Tremere]

I didn't see the OP post as hate to be honest. I just think this is someone who saw the "Why Diablo 4 Players Hate Last Epoch" video and wanted to make something similar with PoE.
For me personally LE and PoE are the best ARPGs currently.

[Aerond]

Dammit, people. Just be like Grim Dawn players and play your favourite game in peace.

[Enjoyluck]

Just report the guy ez