How does this compare to Grim Dawn?

[Cale]

I've read and watched many opinions on LE and mostly always they compare it to D4 or POE. That being said how does LE compare to Grim Dawn... out of all the ARPG's out there i like GD the most so I need to know for sure if LE is worth my time and money.

[Ayk-]

If GD is your favourite, this game might disappoint you.

[Lugzan]

there is not combo of passive that makes different classes depending the combo, you have 5 skills that you can choose at anytime and each skill have a passive tree. and that is i dont think anything else compare to grim dawn

[Cale]

Ah thanks guys. GD has a new expansion coming out so i might just wait for that and let LE mature a bit, hearing it still has lots of bugs.

[Velico]

It's nice to see such reverence for GD on these boards. I have sunk many hours into that game, as well as Titan Quest. I've followed Bruno's work for quite a while, dude's awesome.

The main downside for my group of friends with GD was the old TQ engine used made it really hard to play co-op with aether and elemental builds, and some dungeons/crucible unplayable. LE seems to accommodate the multiplayer aspects pretty well with all the systems connected to it.

I don't know your metrics for comparison, but I'll say that LE has taken a fair amount of inspiration from GD and D2, with more of a PoE pacing for clearing and boss fights. Granted, I haven't played PoE in over a year now, so I may be dated in saying so. But for the cost, LE is a no-brainer for any fan of arpg's imo. I've gotten well more than my money's worth already, and I reckon a lot of people on these boards have too.

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

If you liked Grim Dawn, you'll have no problem enjoying Last Epoch; it has roughly the same amount of complexity and world-building. Main difference is that instead of picking 2 classes, you pick one of 5 classes that each has 3 subclasses (you can mix-and-match subclass abilities to a limited extent). The other big difference mechanically is skill-slot system that is essentially a greatly-improved version of Diablo 3's Rune system, with each skill having a dedicated subtree.

[Lugzan]

Originally posted by Velico:

It's nice to see such reverence for GD on these boards. I have sunk many hours into that game, as well as Titan Quest. I've followed Bruno's work for quite a while, dude's awesome.

The main downside for my group of friends with GD was the old TQ engine used made it really hard to play co-op with aether and elemental builds, and some dungeons/crucible unplayable. LE seems to accommodate the multiplayer aspects pretty well with all the systems connected to it.

I don't know your metrics for comparison, but I'll say that LE has taken a fair amount of inspiration from GD and D2, with more of a PoE pacing for clearing and boss fights. Granted, I haven't played PoE in over a year now, so I may be dated in saying so. But for the cost, LE is a no-brainer for any fan of arpg's imo. I've gotten well more than my money's worth already, and I reckon a lot of people on these boards have too.

GD is a damn good game

[Behemmoth]

My answer is: you don't compare, as they are totally different games.

Last Epoch went for its own identity, it's not trying to copy GD, PoE, nor Diablo.

For instance, gear is obtained through killing monsters as with any ARPG, although endgame gear can only be obtained through crafting. The catch is: you can only craft so much until you can no longer craft a piece of equipment, then to get better gear you need to kill more monsters and hope they will drop the ones with higher affixes, which in turn you will use to further upgrade your equipment.

Then the skills they are much more flexible. You are not locked into a specialty as each skill has its own tree and a variety of benefits (including changing elemental damage), and if you respect a skill (which can be done anytime in town) its level won't be zeroed nor maxed, so you can still tackle thrash mobs without worrying about being useless.

Also, you can build your character in many different ways. There are many source of defensive attributes (ward, elemental resist, damage reduction based on life threshold, damage reduction on block, armor, etc), and each one of them comes in different ways.

[Barden]

I didn't like Grim Dawn, but experiences vary.

[Cale]

Wow thanks for all the great responses! Food for thought!

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by Barden:

I didn't like Grim Dawn, but experiences vary.

I like half of it but combat feels kinda clunky and skill tooltips are incredibly cryptic

[Ravenkid9266]

Originally posted by Behemmoth:

My answer is: you don't compare, as they are totally different games.

This is true, in LE they use dynamic DR and and high reliance on one shots to provide boss difficulty.

In GD your gear matters, where as in LE loot is the lowest portion of your player power.

They are just two different experiences.

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

Originally posted by Ravenkid9266:

Originally posted by Behemmoth:

My answer is: you don't compare, as they are totally different games.

This is true, in LE they use dynamic DR and and high reliance on one shots to provide boss difficulty.

In GD your gear matters, where as in LE loot is the lowest portion of your player power.

They are just two different experiences.

I wish we could get away from the "they're too different" canard for games that are in the same genre. Grim Dawn and Last Epoch might not be identical, but they certainly have more in common with each other than they do with, say, Dark Souls or Mario Odyssey.

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by Fear Denies Faith:

Originally posted by Ravenkid9266:

This is true, in LE they use dynamic DR and and high reliance on one shots to provide boss difficulty.

In GD your gear matters, where as in LE loot is the lowest portion of your player power.

They are just two different experiences.

I wish we could get away from the "they're too different" canard for games that are in the same genre. Grim Dawn and Last Epoch might not be identical, but they certainly have more in common with each other than they do with, say, Dark Souls or Mario Odyssey.

Yeah they are at least cousins in the Diablo 2 family tree and share a lot of design concepts.

[Nine]

I love GD, it is one of my favourites. The itemisation in that game is the best that the genre has to offer by far. I do not think you should wait for LE to mature after 1.0. The bugs people speak of are generally overblown in my opinion. I've played quite a bit of LE and I have not had any issues. Get LE, enjoy it - Play GD expansion when you're finished your binge.

[dishwasher]

GD is alright but boring as ♥♥♥♥. Can't play it more than a few hours per day for a week until I uninstall it. LE has more potential and is just more fun to play