How does this game compare to Grim Dawn?

[Holneer]

Both are somewhat complicated, but not to the extent of PoE. If you have played GD, how do you think this game holds up to it in regards to gameplay and build variety?

[OpenSheep]

bit simpler than grim dawn but less clutter too. I think its almost on the same level as GD, has made lots of improvements over the last year

[Stabosotos]

Grim Dawn is more fun. Also they didn't take ages to release the game or ages to make a patch.

[Zeel Ara]

Poorly.

[Ravenkid9266]

If PoE is the ocean, GD is a lake, and LE is a bathtub.

It all depends on what you want, and how deep/wide you want to go. LE is a perfectly fine casual entry to the genre.

[Zols]

I havent played LE yet, but as someone who has played hundreds of hours of GD, these 4 posts are leaving out one VERY big thing about grim dawn. That is, grim dawn's story is not finished and the devs are basically done working on the game in terms of actual content/finishing the story, except for QoL patches/changing how the game plays to some extent (they got a completely diff game they are working on that is in EA, some kind of base builder/colony sim).

The dev's of GD bit off more then they could chew in terms of story and as someone who has read a decent chunk of threads regarding the GD story from other players on the GD forums, the general consensus is that it would take at least 2 more expansions to finish grim dawn's story and that, in all honesty, is not going to happen.

Now, that being said. According to the dev's of grim dawn, they are working on grim dawn 2 to some very minor extent, but its nothing more then ideas/concept sketches (no coding on it has begun from what i know of) and there has been no info if GD 2 will even continue on with the story that was left unfinished in grim dawn 1 (the 2 main bad guy factions were never finished/concluded).

As for LE, im guessing this game wont be left nearly as unfinished in terms of story as GD is currently (granted, i could be wrong, as i said, havent touched LE since im not someone that plays EA games and prefers for 1.0/the finished product to come out).

Granted, if you dont care about story being finished what so ever, then, id say (based on game play that ive seen of LE), that both are solid arpgs that can be enjoyed by anyone that is a fan of the genre.

[[STG] Dante]

Originally posted by Ravenkid9266:

If PoE is the ocean, GD is a lake, and LE is a bathtub.

It all depends on what you want, and how deep/wide you want to go. LE is a perfectly fine casual entry to the genre.

Diablo IV the piss bottle by your desk. XD

[[STG] Dante]

Originally posted by Zols:

I havent played LE yet, but as someone who has played hundreds of hours of GD, these 4 posts are leaving out one VERY big thing about grim dawn. That is, grim dawn's story is not finished and the devs are basically done working on the game in terms of actual content/finishing the story, except for QoL patches/changing how the game plays to some extent (they got a completely diff game they are working on that is in EA, some kind of base builder/colony sim).

The dev's of GD bit off more then they could chew in terms of story and as someone who has read a decent chunk of threads regarding the GD story from other players on the GD forums, the general consensus is that it would take at least 2 more expansions to finish grim dawn's story and that, in all honesty, is not going to happen.

Now, that being said. According to the dev's of grim dawn, they are working on grim dawn 2 to some very minor extent, but its nothing more then ideas/concept sketches (no coding on it has begun from what i know of) and there has been no info if GD 2 will even continue on with the story that was left unfinished in grim dawn 1 (the 2 main bad guy factions were never finished/concluded).

As for LE, im guessing this game wont be left nearly as unfinished in terms of story as GD is currently (granted, i could be wrong, as i said, havent touched LE since im not someone that plays EA games and prefers for 1.0/the finished product to come out).

Granted, if you dont care about story being finished what so ever, then, id say (based on game play that ive seen of LE), that both are solid arpgs that can be enjoyed by anyone that is a fan of the genre.

Never say never! Did you see Grim Dawn getting a new expansion?!!?

[Ravenkid9266]

Originally posted by STG Dante:

Originally posted by Ravenkid9266:

If PoE is the ocean, GD is a lake, and LE is a bathtub.

It all depends on what you want, and how deep/wide you want to go. LE is a perfectly fine casual entry to the genre.

Diablo IV the piss bottle by your desk. XD

Entirely plausible, I have not played it. I do know that it released with a complete story though as opposed to LE that is planning on releasing without a finished story. LE is also planning on releasing with missing item models for goodness sake.

[Giri Hachi Roku]

My 50 cent:
Grim Dawn has a static Level Design with randomised Mobs... randomise also affects the use of Elements use by the Mobs... All Ckasses and their combinations are well thought out and gives you lots of room for experimentation.
The Story is also bleak and adult, you are not the savior of the World you a a poor SOB thrown into a World that is lost... and you and the other survivors try to keep alive... Content Wise:
A play through with any Class can last 50 - 60 Hours incl. the DLC.
GD is nearly Bugfree... and still a blast to play.
BUTT the gameplay is Old-Skool... Very Very Old-Skool...
Like Diablo 2 OLD School... but with lots of QOL Improvments...

Last Epoch is also fun to play BUTT(Stalion) is still very rough around the Edges.
The Class System is well thought out but looses in my Opinion against GD in sheer possibility of Builds.
The other thorn in the side of LE are still the "PlaceHolder" Levels. All Enemies are placed always at the same spot - No Dynamics... The trash mobs only know the good ole "Zerg Rush" some Elite Enemies are a bit more Dynamic in combat. The Bosses are the normal "I-telegraph-my-next-attack" affairs... and okay... because they bring nothing new to the table.
Next Grip or Thorn is the fact that if you leave a level to sell loot... and you port back to the Level all Enemies are back incl. Bosses and Elites... Solution you enter a new part of the Level THEN PORT back.
So some numbers aka my personal Opinion.
Grim Dawn is still a 8/10 because the Dev's from Early Access to the last released Patch... finetuned the hell out of GD... It's balanced every Build works as the player intends...

Last Epoch is a solid 7/10 nowadays... BUTT it's still so rough... (for me... thou...)
The Placeholder Levels, the amateurish AI for Mobs...
The lack of any Dynamics in the Levels...
Holds LE back and the Developer will release LE in December 23... (allegedly)
I hope they will fix the brain dead AI at least...

Get GD first would be my Advice...
At the Time you ploughed through GD
LE will have a new Patch (hopefully) and the Vision of the Devs for the 1.0 Release will be a bit clearer to see...

Thanks for reading and your time to do it... Best regards from sunny but cold Zermany.

For the LE fanboi's:
This is my Opinion! This is my perception of the Game! Not a Fact or a Dogma.
Based on my hundreds of Hours in Hack n' Slash ARPG since Diablo 1 & 2!
If you are triggered by my poorly written text... And you write a FACT Piece about how wrong I am... I Don't care!
If you enter a discourse with your Opinion: How nice of you...

[Stabosotos]

To be fair Grim Dawn is more of a classic arpg like titan quest and diablo 2 or torchlight 2. POE is the 2.0 of the arpgs so it is more natural to be "more" in many levels.

[Zols]

@ stg dante, i just checked it out on the website, all it did was confirm what i said as to they bit off more then they could chew with story (at least for grim dawn 1). Instead of focusing/finishing off the cthonian story line of the base game or concluding the second main bad guy faction the Aetherials that was the focus of malmoth, they are choosing to delve into a bit more of the "old gods" and this barbarian tribe.

That being said, it is nice to see they are gonna add another expansion. Still, with this new "expansion" they are adding, it also further adds to the most likely scenario that grim dawn's story will not be completed with the first one (thus leaving grim dawns story incomplete).

At this point, my best educated guess is that this final expansion (assuming it is the final one which is a good guess considering its age and how old the game engine is with newer tech coming out) will add story, utilizing the power of the old gods to help combat the cthonian/aetherial threat that wont sadly be concluded until grim dawn 2 comes out (which from what ive seen, most people seem to be guessing wont be for another 5-10 years, and thats assuming the devs were going to use a game engine that is NOT unity, if they were planning unity for GD 2, then it might be even longer due to unity being controlled by some greedy money grubbing CEO who used to work for EA and who is the main cause of unity almost choosing to charge per install of each game that uses the engine).

That all being said, GD is still a great arpg. Also id like to say, i LOVE your comment about Diablo 4, take my award for that lovely poetry you wrote about it lol. Even though i havent touched it nor will i ever touch another blizz game (uninstalled bnet 3 years ago and MASSIVELY glad i did), i got a few r/l friends that have and they have all told me D4 is a massive borefest with nothing to do once you beat the story mode.

[120 BPM]

LE is one of the worst ARPG titles i have played in my entire life. This game is so lackluster, unbalanced, casual and lazy compared to GD.

If you enjoyed GD and it's systems you will hate Last Epoch.

[celticarmoury]

Grim Dawn is also fully moddable. You can set it up anyway you want too. Grimmest will multiply all enemies up to 10x.

[Cachivache]

lol. I loved all the (negative) replies so far. You made me want to defend the game. Grim Dawn is a finished game (with a incoming expansion, yay!). LE still is in early access. GD gameplay feels classic, oldschool, outdated-ish. Altough LE lacks in some aspects and it has flaws, Its a great game. POE is the min/maxers paradise. Diablo 3 is the casuals's paradise. LE is a balanced experience. Its easy to get and learn. The game encourages you to try and make your own builds. LE class builds are great, every skill has it own skill tree. Plus you have the class and mastery's passives. Plus items. Plus the best crafting in all ARPGs. The leveling experience and the endgame is not there yet but its going in the right direction. I love GD, is a great game. GD had flaws on launch too, but it grew to be the gem it is now. You should give LE a try.

[Slayerino]

As much as I like LE at the moment I still prefer GD. But it wouldn't be fair to compare a "finished" game with a new game that's still in EA. In terms of complexity, content and build possibilities GD sits between LE and PoE.
D4 is nothing to even talk about in its current state and I assume this won't change for the next 2-3 seasons until they come around with an expansion.