Raxxanterax (reasonably-sized D4 streamer) is leaving D4, coming to LE

[Hamberdler]

Check his latest youtube video, dude is an old Diablo streamer (most hours in D3) who focuses on thoroughly examining/playing endgame builds. He has 10 level 100s on D4 and stated "there's nothing left to do in D4"

His site maxroll dot gg already hosts some build guides for LE, so this will be a boon.

[sibbs]

RodHull eredeti hozzászólása:

RamzaBehoulve eredeti hozzászólása:

He didn't leave D4, he is just adding LE and PoE to the mix.

This

He will be back when season 2 hits

Also when he realises how uttterly shallow the mechanics behind LE's builds are and how you can do endgame without gear or by (to quote the developers) 'deliberately building bad' I think he will be less impressed.

LE is fine until you look behind the curtain and then you realise its just some unimpressive old man shouting into a megaphone pulling levers

I luv Rod, always makes me smile with his posts.

[Graydon]

ipot eredeti hozzászólása:

Hamberdler eredeti hozzászólása:

Check his latest youtube video, dude is an old Diablo streamer (most hours in D3) who focuses on thoroughly examining/playing endgame builds. He has 10 level 100s on D4 and stated "there's nothing left to do in D4"

His site maxroll dot gg already hosts some build guides for LE, so this will be a boon.

U got payd from him ? Or whats the point u post that here?

He's got 270K subscribers. I myself. and I would imagine EHG, gladly welcome the exposure.

No I did not get paid. It's a win for LE.

[RodHull]

Graydon eredeti hozzászólása:

ipot eredeti hozzászólása:

U got payd from him ? Or whats the point u post that here?

He's got 270K subscribers. I myself. and I would imagine EHG, gladly welcome the exposure.

No I did not get paid. It's a win for LE.

I'm sure Judd the marketing expert who founded and owns EHG very much likes this, its a marketing bro's wet dream. Doesn't change the fact the game is shallow and has the same issues D4 has though.

[Graydon]

RodHull eredeti hozzászólása:

Graydon eredeti hozzászólása:

He's got 270K subscribers. I myself. and I would imagine EHG, gladly welcome the exposure.

No I did not get paid. It's a win for LE.

I'm sure Judd the marketing expert who founded and owns EHG very much likes this, its a marketing bro's wet dream. Doesn't change the fact the game is shallow and has the same issues D4 has though.

Your opinion is your opinion. But if you're so disappointed, why are you spending so much time and energy posting on a product you don't like?

Let me guess, we should appreciate you for "making the game better" ?

[Ravenkid9266]

Graydon eredeti hozzászólása:

RodHull eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm sure Judd the marketing expert who founded and owns EHG very much likes this, its a marketing bro's wet dream. Doesn't change the fact the game is shallow and has the same issues D4 has though.

Your opinion is your opinion. But if you're so disappointed, why are you spending so much time and energy posting on a product you don't like?

Let me guess, we should appreciate you for "making the game better" ?

I sure appreciate his feedback. There are a few regular users here and every time I see their usernames it brings a smile to my face.

Here is a little tip: you cant fix a problem until you identify the problem, feedback is valuable.

[RodHull]

Graydon eredeti hozzászólása:

Your opinion is your opinion. But if you're so disappointed, why are you spending so much time and energy posting on a product you don't like?

Let me guess, we should appreciate you for "making the game better" ?

Well you can thank the feedback of people like myself and Ravenkid (and others) who loudly complained when they attempted to cut features from the game. Feedback from their customers/fans forced them to walk back at least two major unpopular announcements.

So yes you should appreciate us.

You're welcome by the way

[nacciw574]

Graydon eredeti hozzászólása:

RodHull eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm sure Judd the marketing expert who founded and owns EHG very much likes this, its a marketing bro's wet dream. Doesn't change the fact the game is shallow and has the same issues D4 has though.

Your opinion is your opinion. But if you're so disappointed, why are you spending so much time and energy posting on a product you don't like?

Let me guess, we should appreciate you for "making the game better" ?

As opposed to the white knights that defend bad design/decisions while standing in a circle patting each other on the back, giving developers the incentive to continue to make poop...then yeah, I'd say you should be appreciative.

And no, it is not "your" opinion, there is a lot of solid data out there that proves this point...and before you say EA...no garbage argument.

I know it may come as a bit of a surprise, but maybe people come here, because the official forum and it's smelly echo chamber would drown out anything they view as negative...not so much here...

[Ruck]

I liked Rax short video on this game. I felt the same as him, he grinds bigtime though and I barely touched the end game and crafting.

What you can do with skills is pretty cool. The game obviously needs a boost, so it was nice to see Rax and others I have watched make videos on games that are still being worked on.

[Midrak]

RodHull eredeti hozzászólása:

Boltz4Life eredeti hozzászólása:

The same thing could be said for D4. It was so incredibly shallow that I couldn't even force myself to log in anymore. Zero content whatsoever. And that game is released and cost $100.

I literally have said that about D4 (in this thread or another can't recall)

As I pointed out D4 and LE share this problem, I don't really care which 'cost more' tbh I find that a distraction from the real issue (also it looks like it cost more as its just got better UI, better visuals, better writing, better voice acting etc)

But putting that to one side you are correct they both share the same issue. They are surface level fun games that when you dig a bit deeper reveal nothing much under the hood. Neither has the breadth of content of POE nor the pinnacle challenges of games like POE and GD. So once you realise how easy it is to make a good build in both games, your kind of done with them (D4 and LE) it doesn't make them bad, just very meh.

My issue lies in that I believe D4 will improve, I don't believe LE will. Not cause I have any faith in Blizzard (who would) or think they are amazing, just cause the player base who own that game is HUGE (record breaking huge) so you can guarantee the corporate ghouls at Blizzard are making sure they bring that player base back so they can 'engage' with the battlepass and cosmetic shop. Now thats kind of sad that it will only get fixed cause money dictates it should but you know 'something something Capitalism bad' and all that.

LE on the other hand does not have a huge player base and has a much less stable future, a new self published developer with outside investment relying on MTXs to keep their studio afloat... Like it doesn't bode well.

Finally someone with more letters. But I don't share your optimism. I do NOT think that Diablo 4 will improve, because not only are we in the wrong system, but Diablo 4 also follows the same pattern as Path of Exile or Last Epoch, which again goes in the direction of Path of Exile. This means Season's and MTX. All your resources are wasted on changing the game, creating armor and other stuff that has little to do with the game. Accordingly, you will not experience any improvements or innovations in Diablo 4 or Last Epoch. Both games are doomed to die once you reach the endgame. The question why lies again in the question of system capitalism. Which destroys all innuvation and imagination. Accordingly, we also experience these half-finished games appearing on the market. Because the system only processes things like that. Accordingly, it is time not only to watch fewer YouTubers and influencers, but also to play or try fewer games because this system we have will destroy any achievements.

[Ravenkid9266]

Midrak eredeti hozzászólása:

Accordingly, you will not experience any improvements or innovations in Diablo 4 or Last Epoch. Both games are doomed to die once you reach the endgame.

I cant speak about D4 as I have never played, however I can speak on LE. The developers openly acknowledged the massive problems pointed out by Lizardirl (as well as others) as being 100% true and something they wanted to fix. Pretty rare right? Since then they have doubled down on the problems, rolling them into features.

So I look at it like this, if you have to pick between two choices and the odds for one is zero and the odds for the other are anything higher then zero what do you pick?

With regards to this particular content creator, well all I see is the honeymoon phase at best. The worst is he is aware of the problems with LE and actively choosing to engage the way he is anyway because “Consume new thing, get excited for newer thing” I mean he did have to in his own words "finish" diablo immortal before he figured out what it was.

[crzyfsh123]

He's trying to branch out. Got a taste of popularity. Jumping into POE, way too many sharks.

[RodHull]

Ruck eredeti hozzászólása:

I liked Rax short video on this game. I felt the same as him, he grinds bigtime though and I barely touched the end game and crafting.

What you can do with skills is pretty cool. The game obviously needs a boost, so it was nice to see Rax and others I have watched make videos on games that are still being worked on.

I'm sure they are all good to watch, but those sorts of content creators, you know the ones who make thumbnails with attention grabbing titles in big yellow letters, are a particular grift. They are purely about numbers, they roll into the next game to chase figures/viewers when that (inevitably) dies off they roll back to where they came from.

When season 2 hits in D4 I guarantee they will all be back there trying it out, posting videos about how Blizzard is 'saving D4' until the mood turns sour again and they go back to other games with videos about how 'D4 is dead this season' its a mill, pure and simple.

None of it means anything outside of their own businesses and viewer figures. The games are what the games are and whether the Pope streams himself playing LE matters not, the stats don't lie.

https://steamcharts.com/app/899770

We see this throughout its life, a new patch hits players dribble back to try it out. Fail to be engaged long term and are gone within a month again. It's current 30 day peak (7k) was matched 2 years ago in 2021, its numbers broadly speaking have remained pretty static and consistent.

Now this might mean EHG have factored these numbers and balanced their long term business goals around living off of the MTX they can sell to a 7k peak player base. This is possible, but honestly seems unlikely when you consider the near 100 staff they now have working for them and their promise to push out seasonal content to rival the likes of POE.

What's more we now know the first year of release will see no actual seasonal content added at all, but rather a focus on adding the things they didn't finish before releasing, which seems awfully odd the more you examine it no. Almost like its a 'release' in only name and its still going to be in beta for a year. One wonders why they need that title of 'released' attached so soon when its clearly not ready.

I have some theories but those are for another thread

[Doctrine Dark]

RodHull eredeti hozzászólása:

nowhere man eredeti hozzászólása:

He is going to last like 100-150 hour tops. This has less content than d4. He was a victim of fake information, and said "people say it has a good endgame" Poor Raxx, in for another let down.

Exactly this.

I see people often in comments on D4 videos (mainly) saying stuff like "Oh you should try LE it has awesome builds and endgame" and I do a sort of mental double take and wonder have I slipped into an alternative dimension.

I mean someone should direct him to GD as while its very SP focused it remains the only good alternative to POE

Whats the full title to GD?

[RodHull]

Doctrine Dark eredeti hozzászólása:

Whats the full title to GD?

Grim Dawn

[Midrak]

Ravenkid9266 eredeti hozzászólása:

Midrak eredeti hozzászólása:

Accordingly, you will not experience any improvements or innovations in Diablo 4 or Last Epoch. Both games are doomed to die once you reach the endgame.

I cant speak about D4 as I have never played, however I can speak on LE. The developers openly acknowledged the massive problems pointed out by Lizardirl (as well as others) as being 100% true and something they wanted to fix. Pretty rare right? Since then they have doubled down on the problems, rolling them into features.

So I look at it like this, if you have to pick between two choices and the odds for one is zero and the odds for the other are anything higher then zero what do you pick?

With regards to this particular content creator, well all I see is the honeymoon phase at best. The worst is he is aware of the problems with LE and actively choosing to engage the way he is anyway because “Consume new thing, get excited for newer thing” I mean he did have to in his own words "finish" diablo immortal before he figured out what it was.

I've played all the ARPG parts and can get a pretty good picture of not only the game industry but also the ARPG scene. Diablo 4 isn't a bad game per se. The basic idea was there at the beginning, but like every other game on the market, it faded in the end because you have to bow to the system. Since the developer doesn't want to take any risks, everyone takes an example of existing success stories and tries to copy them. Which is ironic, since Path of Exile was born out of the fact that the industry was getting worse at the time. The success of Path of Exile is due to the fact that the other new ARPGs at the time were not only bad, Diablo 3 for example, but also all the other games that were thrown onto the market. Free2Play is slowly becoming more and more popular at this time. Free2Play was the right idea at the beginning. Since it was originally intended as a demo, if you want to continue playing you have to pay, of course once! But it was converted so that people can be exploited and burned with Suprice Mech and co. But coming back to your glorification of YouTubers and influencers who enrich themselves greatly from you and in the end get more “things for free from the developer” than you, who are actually more important than any YouTuber or influencer, is a mystery to me. But to each his own. It's nice that a YouTuber says something correctly after 20 years, but a blind chicken sometimes finds a grain. And in this respect it is probably obvious if you have played the game long enough. The developers of both LE and everyone else prefer to listen to YouTubers/influencers rather than their main base to the players. Which is rather ridiculous for everyone. But that's what you want, that's what you get. To answer the question, I just play without committing to it or even investing more! Since I am portrayed by the developer and the system as a "♥♥♥♥♥♥ person" and a "normal player" and not a YouTuber/influencer, I have little interest in what happens to the game.