Is this game backed by Tencent?

[mayrc]

Can anyone please confirm with source?
Because that menas instand bailout and deinstall as it is very much know where it will end.

[medledan16]

Diposting pertama kali oleh RodHull:

Diposting pertama kali oleh x:

Sigh I did really wanna like this game but seems the news keeps getting worse and worse, learned today

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/eleventh-hour-games-new-partnership/48083/331

TBF they have posted lots of things like this

I completely understand that this would be a major concern for the community but I want to assure you that there is zero pressure on any content releases from the agreement we have with Tencent. This is the type of deal structure I was hoping that we would be able to procure as it solely bolsters the studio’s resources

They stress repeatedly its a completely one sided deal with no pressure or expectation from Tencent.

Personally I find that unlikely, Tencent did not become one of the largest publishers on earth by throwing money at startups with zero expectations or way of minimising losses.

I think anyone who believes otherwise is deluded.

For the record I have no issue with Tencent (well no more issue with them than any large corporation or publisher)

If a truly indie game is what you want Grim Dawn is >>>> that way...

Crate have remained free from all exterior control since their inception, and resisted investment and buyout offers from MS among others.

Micro transaction hell, and P2W here we come. Great.

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Revolution:

Yea better go buy D4 where they will have 250 mtx packs and 20 battlepasses already ready to go on release.

Yeaterday i played OW2 after a long time (i miss OW1) and realised that i now have to pay for new heros while having actually paid full price for OW1 xD

[Panic! At The Costco™]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Imp0815:

Its fact that Tencent is just an arm of the CCP. The CCP is a brutal authoritarian Regime that oppresses its people and even committing genocid on others.

I agree, however your description of the CCP is also a description that applies to the United States government.

[underd0g]

Diposting pertama kali oleh AlienZeratul:

Its the same or near same with POE. Tencent is also into grinding gear games and nothing has basically changed. The MTXs you can buy, could also be bought before tencent was in there and they didn't force GGG into changing anything else in the core-gameplay the game offers.

PoE was a way different game before Tencent. As I recall there were no new currencies and crafting 'materials' every season and hence no need to invest in specialized tabs. If that has to do with Tencent or just GGG becoming more greedy I do not know.

[mayrc]

Diposting pertama kali oleh underd0g:

Diposting pertama kali oleh AlienZeratul:

Its the same or near same with POE. Tencent is also into grinding gear games and nothing has basically changed. The MTXs you can buy, could also be bought before tencent was in there and they didn't force GGG into changing anything else in the core-gameplay the game offers.

PoE was a way different game before Tencent. As I recall there were no new currencies and crafting 'materials' every season and hence no need to invest in specialized tabs. If that has to do with Tencent or just GGG becoming more greedy I do not know.

POE changed shortly after Tencent joined the scene. Its the same with darktide either.... before tencent (in vermintide2) it was a fair thing with a shop where you could always buy costumes with real cash and only need to pay for what you want. After tencent joined you have premium currency in the game and FOMO. And of course the game had only 5 maps at release but the shop was fully ready of course.

Sorry but the sheer number of games tencent is involved and they ALL "devolved" into same practice..... and you know what? In Every forum you find some clowns or paid voiced that defend Tencent practice. Last epoch will be NO different in the end.

[RodHull]

Diposting pertama kali oleh mayrc:

Tencent has ONLY 1 Agenda and that is forcing players to pay money.

All companies have this strategy... its called Capitalism

Diposting pertama kali oleh Imp0815:

Its fact that Tencent is just an arm of the CCP. The CCP is a brutal authoritarian Regime that oppresses its people and even committing genocid on others.
We are just morally bankrupt enough to ignore this.

That is an naive simplification of the relationship the CCP has with Chinese companies.

It is certainly true that while nobody in the West not even the highest level security operatives truly understands the relationship CCP has with private companies, but it certainly has more control or influence than Western equivalents.

But to say its 'an arm of the CCP' just shows you have barely looked beyond scare puff pieces in drama farming outlets for your sources.

If you honestly think Xis government officials spend their days micromanaging every business they have stakes in like Bond villains then you are basically resigning yourself to the fact they already won as it would require ludicrous amounts of 4d chess style planning and operations.

You are free to dislike their connection to the CCP but leave the hyperbole at the door.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Panic! At The Costco™:

I agree, however your description of the CCP is also a description that applies to the United States government.

Yes but when Western countries do it, it's called liberating, modernising or democratising... go figure

[Vivianite]

so long as they (tencent) and the dev of epoch keeps this low-equity claim which y'know, one year later i think remains true (?) i don't see the problem here.

i think the aforementioned mar 2022 announcement they made it pretty clear what they were looking for

[Adalon]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Panic! At The Costco™:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Imp0815:

Its fact that Tencent is just an arm of the CCP. The CCP is a brutal authoritarian Regime that oppresses its people and even committing genocid on others.

I agree, however your description of the CCP is also a description that applies to the United States government.

Oh I am sorry, do remind me, who is the USA keeping in camps, r**eing the women for laughs while they slowly sterilize and genocide them?

[Koala 4peace]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Zekken:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Panic! At The Costco™:

I agree, however your description of the CCP is also a description that applies to the United States government.

Oh I am sorry, do remind me, who is the USA keeping in camps, r**eing the women for laughs while they slowly sterilize and genocide them?

China kills their own people. The USA kills people in other countries. As neither a chinese nor a yank who should i fear more?

Anyway, Tencent have a lot of investments in the videogame industry, big and small. So there is that.

[Vin]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Koala 4peace:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Zekken:

Oh I am sorry, do remind me, who is the USA keeping in camps, r**eing the women for laughs while they slowly sterilize and genocide them?

China kills their own people. The USA kills people in other countries. As neither a chinese nor a yank who should i fear more?

Anyway, Tencent have a lot of investments in the videogame industry, big and small. So there is that.

that didnt answer his question.

[ninakoru]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Vin:

that didnt answer his question.

Think again. He/she actually did, not directly but with a scope correction.

History is written by the winners. Actually what the US did on Japan (throwing atomic bombs on big Japan cities), is on par with german genocide with jews.

[[WHK] Heidenherz]

Diposting pertama kali oleh ninakoru:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Vin:

that didnt answer his question.

Think again. He/she actually did, not directly but with a scope correction.

History is written by the winners. Actually what the US did on Japan (throwing atomic bombs on big Japan cities), is on par with german genocide with jews.

I hope you are not in Florida right now, they have a new law that would like to have a talk with you

Very entertaining thread, thanks guys

[Pugdaddy]

Hopefully it doesnt turn into every tencent game where 80% of the screen is limited time permanent deals on cosmetics

[Panic! At The Costco™]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Zekken:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Panic! At The Costco™:

I agree, however your description of the CCP is also a description that applies to the United States government.

Oh I am sorry, do remind me, who is the USA keeping in camps, r**eing the women for laughs while they slowly sterilize and genocide them?

You miss the concentration camps on the US southern border for the last decade or something? All that ♥♥♥♥ has happened there. Or the treatment of its indigenous population, or the invasion of Iraq, or the massacres of people in Indonesia and on and on and on.

[Wot?]

ah man.. yikes.

tencent really does tend to kill most games that do not make constant influxes of money to a barely sustainable degree.

their servers are almost always not great, too. another reason HC/HCSAF is doomed on Last Epoch.

Bummer.