Last Epoch

Last Epoch

Rontemon 2023 年 4 月 8 日 下午 7:38
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I DO NOT want to make new character every season/league
I heard that the LE will follow the footsteps of Leagues/Seasons like PoE.

However, I absolutely DO NOT want to create a new character every season, rush story to end-game every single season with a 'starter farm build', then transfer gear to a 'bossing build'.

Instead, please let me use my old characters in new league either by some sort of 'rebirth' mechanic that adds a small bonus every time you rebirth a character or cosmetic rewards by reaching X amount of rebirths.

Also I'd prefer to have a reason to play non-seasonal/league characters otherwise this is just gonna be PoE all over again. Rush story to end-game every season and do season challenges. Absolutely boring.
引用自 NippleWizard:
I hope they have seasons but only new characters can be ranked on ladder and the like. I'm the same way and hate poe and diablo3 because thats all they want from you. Give incentives for new characters without invalidating old ones.
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niaerniopawrjnko 2023 年 4 月 13 日 上午 8:46 
I sure hope the same, I really wish we dont have to create a chara for a new season, just to delete it two months later.
Characters do not get deleted, wtf are you talking about?
NippleWizard 2023 年 4 月 13 日 上午 10:59 
A lot of you are missing the point is that old characters can do the new content but it not br ranked/ladder. That way they can experience it and test put their old characters build on new content but keep it separate so everyone still starts over for ladder.
niaerniopawrjnko 2023 年 4 月 13 日 上午 11:31 
引用自 NippleWizard
A lot of you are missing the point is that old characters can do the new content but it not br ranked/ladder. That way they can experience it and test put their old characters build on new content but keep it separate so everyone still starts over for ladder.
But new content wont really expand the end-game vertically
NippleWizard 2023 年 4 月 13 日 下午 12:12 
引用自 niaerniopawrjnko
引用自 NippleWizard
A lot of you are missing the point is that old characters can do the new content but it not br ranked/ladder. That way they can experience it and test put their old characters build on new content but keep it separate so everyone still starts over for ladder.
But new content wont really expand the end-game vertically
You're right, I just mean to challenge your build to see if it holds up to the new content. Basically preserve your character and try new content but be barred from ladder with that character. That way both parties are happy.
RodHull 2023 年 4 月 13 日 下午 12:28 
引用自 NippleWizard
A lot of you are missing the point is that old characters can do the new content but it not br ranked/ladder. That way they can experience it and test put their old characters build on new content but keep it separate so everyone still starts over for ladder.

Can they?? That hasn't been mentioned anywhere I've seen.

Everything I've seen suggests it will be identical to POE where new season content will only be available to new characters.
Kyutaru 2023 年 4 月 13 日 下午 12:40 
引用自 mayrc
Ehh you dont HAVE TO make a seasonal char..... so i dont geht the point here?
Not making one means game development has effectively ended for you. You won't have access to content updates that are locked behind the seasonal wall. Which is basically all of them.
niaerniopawrjnko 2023 年 4 月 13 日 下午 12:48 
引用自 Kyutaru
引用自 mayrc
Ehh you dont HAVE TO make a seasonal char..... so i dont geht the point here?
Not making one means game development has effectively ended for you. You won't have access to content updates that are locked behind the seasonal wall. Which is basically all of them.
So it is better that the devs abandon the game like with Grim Dawn rather than keep updating it like Path of Exile?
Ravenkid9266 2023 年 4 月 13 日 下午 12:55 
引用自 RodHull
引用自 NippleWizard
A lot of you are missing the point is that old characters can do the new content but it not br ranked/ladder. That way they can experience it and test put their old characters build on new content but keep it separate so everyone still starts over for ladder.

Can they?? That hasn't been mentioned anywhere I've seen.

Everything I've seen suggests it will be identical to POE where new season content will only be available to new characters.

I have also not seen anything to suggest it would be any different from how poe handles seasons.
mayrc 2023 年 4 月 13 日 下午 1:13 
guys i hate to mention it but many seem to have no idea how ARPG work.

If you always keep your character you get to the point of PERFECTION and total overkill. You WILL get there someday no matter how stupid you are. Some archive it faster.

So when you make new content for the game you have to make a Challenge for PERFECTED characters that oneshot everything in the game. But then you lock out all the other players without a perfect equiped char. That is the main point behind seasonal characters.

They WANT you to start a new char to:

1. explore other classes
2. give you a new challenge
3. dont lock out content behind a equipment wall


If you dont want that you should simply play NO ARPG EVER.
I played D2 with a maxed out char stuffed with rings of jordan to the bone and rare runewords. And guess what i walked throug Hell difficulty like a sightseeing tour. And that was ULTRA BORING.
So seasonal chars saved the game!
Kyutaru 2023 年 4 月 13 日 下午 1:33 
引用自 niaerniopawrjnko
引用自 Kyutaru
Not making one means game development has effectively ended for you. You won't have access to content updates that are locked behind the seasonal wall. Which is basically all of them.
So it is better that the devs abandon the game like with Grim Dawn rather than keep updating it like Path of Exile?
Why the Strawman? I didn't suggest that option of abandoning the cycle so attempting to shutdown my argument by using that as a point does nothing to me or my argument. Updating it with locked seasonal content like POE is not the only way forward.



引用自 mayrc
If you always keep your character you get to the point of PERFECTION and total overkill. You WILL get there someday no matter how stupid you are. Some archive it faster.
That's kind of the point. You're putting all the work into becoming god so that you can then spend some time FEELING LIKE GOD. Yes, your character caps out, and then you make another one. But you aren't going to make another one if the first one takes all of your time trying to perfect. It's like having sex without the orgasm.

引用自 mayrc
So when you make new content for the game you have to make a Challenge for PERFECTED characters that oneshot everything in the game.
You really don't. RPGs of all sorts, ARPG or not, have an endgame that is fixed and doesn't go on forever. Even games like Disgaea that almost go on forever cap out at some ridiculous stat total. Final Fantasy players do not need the legendary weapons and armor to complete the game, it can be done with store bought gear and low levels. The player knows this, they're ready for the end. They just don't want it to come too soon... but generally, they still want it to come and to feel great when it does. Moving on and letting go of old characters is part of the cycle too, even for players who favor the seasonal content approach. Yet that process is much simpler if you actually achieve those levels of perfection on occasion and can consider your character supreme... as evident by the fact that you're oneshotting everything in the game now.

Or to put it another way, some of you didn't use the duplicate cheats in Diablo 1 to min-max your character to godlike perfection because you'd rather stick to the grind forever. Yet simultaneously you're here saying everyone should reset every 3 months. Pick a stance.
niaerniopawrjnko 2023 年 4 月 13 日 下午 1:56 
引用自 Kyutaru
引用自 niaerniopawrjnko
So it is better that the devs abandon the game like with Grim Dawn rather than keep updating it like Path of Exile?
Why the Strawman? I didn't suggest that option of abandoning the cycle so attempting to shutdown my argument by using that as a point does nothing to me or my argument. Updating it with locked seasonal content like POE is not the only way forward.



引用自 mayrc
If you always keep your character you get to the point of PERFECTION and total overkill. You WILL get there someday no matter how stupid you are. Some archive it faster.
That's kind of the point. You're putting all the work into becoming god so that you can then spend some time FEELING LIKE GOD. Yes, your character caps out, and then you make another one. But you aren't going to make another one if the first one takes all of your time trying to perfect. It's like having sex without the orgasm.

引用自 mayrc
So when you make new content for the game you have to make a Challenge for PERFECTED characters that oneshot everything in the game.
You really don't. RPGs of all sorts, ARPG or not, have an endgame that is fixed and doesn't go on forever. Even games like Disgaea that almost go on forever cap out at some ridiculous stat total. Final Fantasy players do not need the legendary weapons and armor to complete the game, it can be done with store bought gear and low levels. The player knows this, they're ready for the end. They just don't want it to come too soon... but generally, they still want it to come and to feel great when it does. Moving on and letting go of old characters is part of the cycle too, even for players who favor the seasonal content approach. Yet that process is much simpler if you actually achieve those levels of perfection on occasion and can consider your character supreme... as evident by the fact that you're oneshotting everything in the game now.

Or to put it another way, some of you didn't use the duplicate cheats in Diablo 1 to min-max your character to godlike perfection because you'd rather stick to the grind forever. Yet simultaneously you're here saying everyone should reset every 3 months. Pick a stance.
It is not a strawman, perhaps you dont understand how the real world works, but if they arent profiting from the game why would they keep adding content? Random expansions once or twice a year is not even close to being as profitable.

The best way to make money through this genre is to have people coming back every few months and then to sell them cosmetics.

Stop trying to change the genre, ARPGs work in cycles, if you cant accept that then you should stick to playing mmorpgs and stop complaining
Kyutaru 2023 年 4 月 13 日 下午 2:16 
引用自 niaerniopawrjnko
It is not a strawman, perhaps you dont understand how the real world works, but if they arent profiting from the game why would they keep adding content? Random expansions once or twice a year is not even close to being as profitable.
You attacked a claim I didn't make, how was it NOT a Strawman? You literally created a figment of your imagination to argue against instead of addressing my comment.

I see, you're stuck in an all-or-nothing mindset doomsaying because you can't see alternatives to the two options you selectively decided are the only ones that exist, even despite the different sources of income from both games as well as the fact that POE's free to play status grants it longevity through the acquisition of new blood -- something only stuff like ARK or RUST do on the paid games side (or the million Call of Duty sequels).

Cycles can STILL exist. No one petitioned to remove them. They simply shouldn't cut existing players off from the content updates.

引用自 niaerniopawrjnko
The best way to make money through this genre is to have people coming back every few months and then to sell them cosmetics.
Armchair economist, I see. You don't know what the best way to do something is, you only have your own perspective on it.

引用自 niaerniopawrjnko
Stop trying to change the genre, ARPGs work in cycles, if you cant accept that then you should stick to playing mmorpgs and stop complaining
I'm not, in fact I'm looking to return it more to its roots as this game already does. It's by no means a coincidence that the five characters are quite similar to D2's lineup. If anything, you're the one being progressive about it. What's interesting to note is that doing so, opening up new content to standard league characters, doesn't harm players who wish to make new characters and try out seasonal leagues.

Sometimes you have to practice dialectical thinking and realize both answers can be right.
最后由 Kyutaru 编辑于; 2023 年 4 月 13 日 下午 2:18
NippleWizard 2023 年 4 月 13 日 下午 2:34 
引用自 RodHull
引用自 NippleWizard
A lot of you are missing the point is that old characters can do the new content but it not br ranked/ladder. That way they can experience it and test put their old characters build on new content but keep it separate so everyone still starts over for ladder.

Can they?? That hasn't been mentioned anywhere I've seen.

Everything I've seen suggests it will be identical to POE where new season content will only be available to new characters.
They said they will NOT go the route of POE but do their own spin on the idea.


引用自 niaerniopawrjnko
引用自 Kyutaru
Not making one means game development has effectively ended for you. You won't have access to content updates that are locked behind the seasonal wall. Which is basically all of them.
So it is better that the devs abandon the game like with Grim Dawn rather than keep updating it like Path of Exile?
This is a strawman because no one said it had to be this way or that. There is a lot of room between grim dawn and path of exile. Also grim dawn was not abandoned but finished development, there is a difference.
RodHull 2023 年 4 月 13 日 下午 2:57 
引用自 mayrc
guys i hate to mention it but many seem to have no idea how ARPG work.

If you always keep your character you get to the point of PERFECTION and total overkill. You WILL get there someday no matter how stupid you are. Some archive it faster.

So when you make new content for the game you have to make a Challenge for PERFECTED characters that oneshot everything in the game. But then you lock out all the other players without a perfect equiped char. That is the main point behind seasonal characters.

They WANT you to start a new char to:

1. explore other classes
2. give you a new challenge
3. dont lock out content behind a equipment wall


If you dont want that you should simply play NO ARPG EVER.
I played D2 with a maxed out char stuffed with rings of jordan to the bone and rare runewords. And guess what i walked throug Hell difficulty like a sightseeing tour. And that was ULTRA BORING.
So seasonal chars saved the game!

That is what is referred to as dictating how you want the game to be played. If for example they allowed ALL characters new and old to experience seasonal content on release, but only allowed newly created characters to participate in the ladder and events/races that way people who want that experience, can do so, and those who want to roll with the same character forever can also do that, and neither group affects the others progress.

Options are always better than not and its really simple to provide that choice. If they wanted to.

Not sure why you think you get to decide what 'arpg players' want or deserve.
Slurs! In the Discord 2023 年 4 月 13 日 下午 3:06 
That's the entire point of seasons. A fresh economy, new start with characters trying new things or improving old builds.

May I suggest the Marvel Heroes ARPG instead?
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