The performance is unacceptable

[niaerniopawrjnko]

I dont care if its early access, the game costs 30 EUROS!!! Dropping to 40 fps while doing monos is just stupid... Game is basically unplayable and the devs dont care.

The state of modern gaming is so sad, now its way past refund time since this is only an end-game problem. GAME IS A SCAM!!!

[Excellion]

Originally posted by Koala 4peace:

While you are not wrong from a theoretical stand, Rodhull is not wrong from a practical one.

This game simply does not have a graphical quality that would justify bad performance even in 5 year old mid specs. Most modern mid to high computers would have a good performance because they can brute force their way to it. This always have issues, to the very least reducing the lifespan of the hardware like you were playing something actually demanding.

Lets be honest though: The minimum spec listed on the steam store page is composed of 10-12 year old hardware components, whereas the recommended specs are components that are 5-7 year old. In IT terms that would equate to quite old and dated hardware.

For reference sake my own system is composed of:

- Processor: i7-6700K
- Video card: GTX 1070 (8Gb VRam)
- Ram: 64 Gb

This setup can consistently pull 100+ FPS in the game on the maximum graphical settings, with some dips below 100 FPS in busier area's. Note that these components were high-end when i build my current system, but right now this is simply a 7-8 year old system that is likely outperformed by relatively recent low or midrange systems.

It's hard to say why the OP is having troubles considering they don't list their specs. It can be anything from outdated drivers, the game using some intel graphics chip instead of the graphics card to the specs simply not being up to par to run the game. And sometimes a certain combination of hardware really doesn't match well with a game.

Originally posted by Koala 4peace:

So while OP should post his specs for more useful data, any kind of constructive argument would be drowned by the above mentioned people. Keyboard warriors outnumber decent folk on the internet by a 100 to 1, it seems, so i don't blame OP for not bothering with it.

Unfortunately you're right about the "keyboard warrior" statement, but problems simply cannot be solved without information. That said, considering the OP's initial post this is more likely a troll or a rant than an actual request for assistance to solve a problem.

[Praxis Abraxis]

Originally posted by Koala 4peace:

Originally posted by Zeta Adonai:

Simply put, *o*k-g*b*l*e*
What is almost always the first step in any damn tech related issue?
SPECS
if there was any desire for Constructive Anything

Refusing to do so adds NOTHING. No cross referencing experiences, hardware, or whatever.

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Game still has a ways to go. But its already loads better than it was a year ago.

And I can run it fine, too. For reference. Sure many cannot atm,
and having a sense of what systems do run fine and those that dont would be
helpful to people.

Ryzen 9 3900x
MSI x570 Gaming Pro Carbon Wireless
32g g.skill Trident Z Neo 3600mhz
RTX 3070
WD Black SN850X gen 4 nvme

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Stable at 1080p, stable at 1440p, stable at 2160p

While you are not wrong from a theoretical stand, Rodhull is not wrong from a practical one.

This game simply does not have a graphical quality that would justify bad performance even in 5 year old mid specs. Most modern mid to high computers would have a good performance because they can brute force their way to it. This always have issues, to the very least reducing the lifespan of the hardware like you were playing something actually demanding.

This is far from ideal, and people with just minimum requirements would probably not be able to play the game even at 30 fps on low, which defies the "minimum" tag.

And whatever the specs of OP computer are, if it is anything below high end we would have a legion of "improve your potato" people posting, if it is above high end we will have the "you thing, mine's work like a charm". And as it has been pointed out by the devs themselves, they still have to keep improving performance, even if it did improve a lot with the 0.9v.

So while OP should post his specs for more useful data, any kind of constructive argument would be drowned by the above mentioned people. Keyboard warriors outnumber decent folk on the internet by a 100 to 1, it seems, so i don't blame OP for not bothering with it.

Don't really disagree for the most part.
And one of the things I have unfortunately had to come to terms with over the years is that, no matter what, people will complain about anything.

To the point of outright refusing to post specs, though. It can't hurt. People will have negative comments either way, so why not? It could actually lead to something constructive.

From the tone of the OP from the start, it had so much melodrama that I was immediately suspicious.

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The game needs work, of course. Its still in early access, and I know its not progressing fast enough for many, but there is a good deal of content available.
I don't regret my purchase, and I have witnessed so many EA disasters ranging from overambitious to outright rug-pulls...

I feel confidant this project will reach a positive state before its 'finished'
For my part, I have seen major improvements in more areas than just performance.

So, maybe I'm wrong to feel good about where this project will end up...

I still don't see the reason to throw a proverbial tantrum about it, though.
To act like the devs haven't accomplished good work is disrespectful in my mind, considering how many MUCH more atrocious EA titles have passed by.

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And tbh, some drops to 40 fps may not be silky sooth to many people...
But to use the word 'unplayable' is a mite bit privileged...

I can still remember my teen years of struggling to reach 20 fps at times in games,
And I still managed to Play It. (not that I could now, but still....

[Koala 4peace]

Originally posted by Excellion:

...
For reference sake my own system is composed of:

- Processor: i7-6700K
- Video card: GTX 1070 (8Gb VRam)
- Ram: 64 Gb

This setup can consistently pull 100+ FPS in the game on the maximum graphical settings, with some dips below 100 FPS in busier area's. Note that these components were high-end when i build my current system, but right now this is simply a 7-8 year old system that is likely outperformed by relatively recent low or midrange systems.
...

Wow! Mine is a I7-7700K, GTX 1060 (6) and 16 GB RAM, but i have to cap it to 50 FPS, 30 before the 0.9v. Mostly because of GFX temp going to 75º and even almost 80º, but i always suspected that the cooling i have is not the best.

Still, yes, OP intention is most likely to vent. We can still show some emphaty, within reason.

Originally posted by Zeta Adonai:

(sorry for cuting it, just for making it more comfy to read)

Well, "unplayable" is always different for everyone. If OP is young and always have resources for something good, 30 FPS might be hard to handle.

For me, who even while being a gamer i have more important things to spend money on, 30 FPS is par for the course. Given that i still play "me olde" SNES, i'm more than accustomed, but for others i can understand it being a pain.

On Last Epoch, i think the devs are really doing their best, just that they bit more than they can chew. Given that the full release was meant for 2020, then for 2021, then MP beta for 2022... Is kind of disheartening. That said, i have like 300h in this one, and it was a gift, so money well spent does not even begin to cover it. It's just that the idea is so nice but i'm afraid they won't pull it off. Time will tell.

[Demonsouls1993]

Originally posted by Axelmorph:

What are your specs? I have a 3060ti and 10600k with 32gb ram and I'm always staying above 100 fps with everything on ultra at 1440p. I'd say it's pretty optimized.

I love how he would rather argue then post his specs lmfao dudes running a bad pc that's why he won't post it

[thedeadmanshow87]

I wasnt really having issues, but the game was using almost more vram than my card has.
I changed everything to medium and it runs really smooth now..I would suggest try thaat

[niaerniopawrjnko]

Originally posted by Excellion:

Originally posted by Koala 4peace:

While you are not wrong from a theoretical stand, Rodhull is not wrong from a practical one.

This game simply does not have a graphical quality that would justify bad performance even in 5 year old mid specs. Most modern mid to high computers would have a good performance because they can brute force their way to it. This always have issues, to the very least reducing the lifespan of the hardware like you were playing something actually demanding.

Lets be honest though: The minimum spec listed on the steam store page is composed of 10-12 year old hardware components, whereas the recommended specs are components that are 5-7 year old. In IT terms that would equate to quite old and dated hardware.

For reference sake my own system is composed of:

- Processor: i7-6700K
- Video card: GTX 1070 (8Gb VRam)
- Ram: 64 Gb

This setup can consistently pull 100+ FPS in the game on the maximum graphical settings, with some dips below 100 FPS in busier area's. Note that these components were high-end when i build my current system, but right now this is simply a 7-8 year old system that is likely outperformed by relatively recent low or midrange systems.

It's hard to say why the OP is having troubles considering they don't list their specs. It can be anything from outdated drivers, the game using some intel graphics chip instead of the graphics card to the specs simply not being up to par to run the game. And sometimes a certain combination of hardware really doesn't match well with a game.

Originally posted by Koala 4peace:

So while OP should post his specs for more useful data, any kind of constructive argument would be drowned by the above mentioned people. Keyboard warriors outnumber decent folk on the internet by a 100 to 1, it seems, so i don't blame OP for not bothering with it.

Unfortunately you're right about the "keyboard warrior" statement, but problems simply cannot be solved without information. That said, considering the OP's initial post this is more likely a troll or a rant than an actual request for assistance to solve a problem.

If I say my PC is better than yours, will you be satisfied?

[Excellion]

Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:

If I say my PC is better than yours, will you be satisfied?

As i said in the previous post, i don't believe your goal is to try and solve the issue you're running into. This thread is either a troll / rant / bait for responses / jester awards, or it contains such a degree of stonewalling it is literally impossible to provide any meaningful ideas or assistance that could deal with the problem. Which means there is no point in me trying to do so, so i'll be disengaging.

My main intention was to add some basic information as to the games performance on my own system, in case someone ran across this thread and wanted some indication as to how the game runs.

[Airkixer]

Game runs great for me. Must be a specs issue.

[niaerniopawrjnko]

Originally posted by Excellion:

Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:

If I say my PC is better than yours, will you be satisfied?

As i said in the previous post, i don't believe your goal is to try and solve the issue you're running into. This thread is either a troll / rant / bait for responses / jester awards, or it contains such a degree of stonewalling it is literally impossible to provide any meaningful ideas or assistance that could deal with the problem. Which means there is no point in me trying to do so, so i'll be disengaging.

My main intention was to add some basic information as to the games performance on my own system, in case someone ran across this thread and wanted some indication as to how the game runs.

I cannot solve the issue because it is not on my end. Brute forcing the problem by buying a 4090 and a 7800x3D is not a real solution.

[Praxis Abraxis]

Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:

Originally posted by Excellion:

As i said in the previous post, i don't believe your goal is to try and solve the issue you're running into. This thread is either a troll / rant / bait for responses / jester awards, or it contains such a degree of stonewalling it is literally impossible to provide any meaningful ideas or assistance that could deal with the problem. Which means there is no point in me trying to do so, so i'll be disengaging.

My main intention was to add some basic information as to the games performance on my own system, in case someone ran across this thread and wanted some indication as to how the game runs.

I cannot solve the issue because it is not on my end. Brute forcing the problem by buying a 4090 and a 7800x3D is not a real solution.

Yea, man. My 3070 is really brute forcing a solid 60 fps at max settings and native 4k....
Really hitting above its weight, it seems. If you say you need a 1,800 dollar card.

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Let it be said, The game could use some work on optimization. It will undoubtedly get it.

Why try to eff with the reputation of it, though?
Game deserves a chance.

[Ravenkid9266]

Originally posted by Praxis Abraxas:

Why try to eff with the reputation of it, though?
Game deserves a chance.

what you see as messing with reputation, other might see differently. Pro-consumer, it is what it is come to mind. Also when it gets improved being able to point to the problems and how they got solved is quite the laudable thing.

On the other hand if the reputation of the game is so poor that this is what does it in, well that is not a lot of faith now is it?

[Blader]

I'm playing on a 7700x with 3080 with always above 100fps.
When at work i'm playing on a 3 yrs old 2060 Laptop always above 60fps.
So I really don't know what your problem is.
And don't forget this is a small dev team you can count on two hands.
And it's EA, Beta and they continously patch it.
So stop whining and leave or just st up

[Praxis Abraxis]

Originally posted by Ravenkid9266:

Originally posted by Praxis Abraxas:

Why try to eff with the reputation of it, though?
Game deserves a chance.

what you see as messing with reputation, other might see differently. Pro-consumer, it is what it is come to mind. Also when it gets improved being able to point to the problems and how they got solved is quite the laudable thing.

On the other hand if the reputation of the game is so poor that this is what does it in, well that is not a lot of faith now is it?

Oh, believe me. I am very Pro Consumer.
This child is not being Pro Consumer.

Sensationalizing and exaggerating software faults is... pro consumer?
Under what manifesto?

No, no, no.

And I doubt this troll will 'bring down the game'
Its more my annoyance at seeing children, or slightly taller children gallivanting on the internet blowing things out of both ends.

And I should know, I may be only a slightly slightly taller child...

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The fact is, the game runs quite a bit better than it did a year ago, they're integrating multiplayer in a better capacity than a lot of companies have (not perfect)
And it IS an EARLY ACCESS title.
Problems like this are literally in the product description....
The devs are open about it.

Is that a complete get out of jail free card? Hell no.
But they ARE making improvements. Acting like you need a 5 thousand dollar computer to 'brute force' this ARPG is beyond disingenuous, even as sarcasm,

and by no means a 'pro consumer' statement.

[niaerniopawrjnko]

Originally posted by Praxis Abraxas:

Originally posted by Ravenkid9266:

what you see as messing with reputation, other might see differently. Pro-consumer, it is what it is come to mind. Also when it gets improved being able to point to the problems and how they got solved is quite the laudable thing.

On the other hand if the reputation of the game is so poor that this is what does it in, well that is not a lot of faith now is it?

Oh, believe me. I am very Pro Consumer.
This child is not being Pro Consumer.

Sensationalizing and exaggerating software faults is... pro consumer?
Under what manifesto?

No, no, no.

And I doubt this troll will 'bring down the game'
Its more my annoyance at seeing children, or slightly taller children gallivanting on the internet blowing things out of both ends.

And I should know, I may be only a slightly slightly taller child...

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The fact is, the game runs quite a bit better than it did a year ago, they're integrating multiplayer in a better capacity than a lot of companies have (not perfect)
And it IS an EARLY ACCESS title.
Problems like this is literally in the product description....
The devs are open about it.

Is that a complete get out of jail free card? Hell no.
But they ARE making improvements. Acting like you need a 5 thousand dollar computer to 'brute force' this ARPG is beyond disingenuous, even as sarcasm,

and by no means a 'pro consumer' statement.

And there we have the typical fanboy!

Calls me a child and says that I am lying, you are so mature!

[Praxis Abraxis]

Originally posted by niaerniopawrjnko:

Originally posted by Praxis Abraxas:

Oh, believe me. I am very Pro Consumer.
This child is not being Pro Consumer.

Sensationalizing and exaggerating software faults is... pro consumer?
Under what manifesto?

No, no, no.

And I doubt this troll will 'bring down the game'
Its more my annoyance at seeing children, or slightly taller children gallivanting on the internet blowing things out of both ends.

And I should know, I may be only a slightly slightly taller child...

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The fact is, the game runs quite a bit better than it did a year ago, they're integrating multiplayer in a better capacity than a lot of companies have (not perfect)
And it IS an EARLY ACCESS title.
Problems like this is literally in the product description....
The devs are open about it.

Is that a complete get out of jail free card? Hell no.
But they ARE making improvements. Acting like you need a 5 thousand dollar computer to 'brute force' this ARPG is beyond disingenuous, even as sarcasm,

and by no means a 'pro consumer' statement.

And there we have the typical fanboy!

Calls me a child and says that I am lying, you are so mature!

Cool, dude.

I'm not a fanboy. I appreciate what I see.
You. are a trolli child.

And how sad you must feel in the umbrella of your psyche. Have your laugh.
I would defend any title I see as having value. And I'd lambast those that are shameless or exploitative...

You, are shameless and exploiting a situation. So... Feel better about yourself yet?