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At the moment though its very much a WIP so how that changes remains to be seen.
Also some could argue providing expensive portal graphic cosmetics in a beta early access game which has years old bugs is somewhat misjudged.
Is much less than PoE.
The difference with PoE is that you don't need to buy the stash tabs, you can get them with in-game currency, and while doesn't have those advanced tabs, you can sort and group making hoarding not a big deal management wise. Also you don't look like sheet without a skin.
I wouldn't say less.
The stash tabs we can discount as LE has a box price where POE has none.
But the cosmetics, I'd say are equally in-obtrusive. With the caveat that EHG has stated explicitly they need to sell them to stay in business.
I mean if we want to get into direct comparisons selling limited time bundles in an unfinished beta with years old bugs the developers joke about not addressing is pretty bad no?
No intrusive, only cosmetics. And devs said numerous times that they will add nothing except cosmetics. (Of course, some people won't trust them, but this is the official comment from devs).
Personnaly i find the paid skins terrible and not as good as the base skins from the game.
But there is really so few skins in the MTX, and some base stuff don't have their 3d look until now. Magic/rare/exalted are completed. Unique weapons are all made and completed too. But armors/helms/gloves/boots from uniques and sets are not completed until now.
The price is almost the same than POE for most of the things, and a lot less expensive for some others. And there is no stash to buy, the game provides you to buy stashs with gold which drop ingame.
Anyway, the game is solid for a 35 bucks product. You could do a worse buy recently for 70 bucks than to buy LE.
I know that some people will quote me and argue (especially two of them, who spend a lot more time here than on the game, and well known by a lot of people on these forums), but no the development is ok, and priorities are ok. It's only that some people don't know what is an EA, and expect a finalized game in EA, or that the feature they want will be the next one to be made. But it's not like it works. And the game correctly evolves at every patch.
And about the lenght, yes the game should been released some years ago, they're in late. But the actual game have nothing to do with the prototype which should be released at the first plan some years ago. They decided to delay to make a much better game, and this is what they did since.
Tip: don't listen too much this forum, it's rotten by the same 3 or 4 people and especially 2 who spam this forum. Go to look some videos (and not some videos from 3 years ago, but recent ones) and if it please you, take it and play it during 2 hours (max time if you chose to refund) or wait for the 1.0 (or later) if you have any doubt yet.
Don't really have much to say on the rest of this outburst of victimhood except to say this is objectively false.
The game they will be releasing at 1.0 has LESS in it than was originally planned/promised at kickstarter. This is not some Star Citizen affair where you can blame feature creep or scope bloat for the delays, they have actively cut content and will be releasing it without a finished campaign, with missing models for items and with entire end game systems missing.
I don't know what you could say (problably a lot of non sense as usual) but i don't intend to get you out of my ignore list to know it. You've consumed all your jokers since a long time.
I wish you a good night/day/year.
@OP, it's one of the both i spoke about. The second one should come in some hours.
I'd say less because the armor in poe looks like garbage unless you buy cosmetics.
If you want your character to not look like a homeless guy playing with plastic toys you need cosmetics in that game. Here not so much.
Not to mention that poe cosmetics are horribly overpriced.
But yeah LE so far has no business even having a cosmetics shop in a paid game so both are kinda annoying.
Yeah, in LE they intend the normal non-MTX gear looks cool enough, they have been updating several looks for the different classes, constantly.
The way they timed it is confusing and people get upset by it. You see a cash shop in a EA (unfinished) game and you get upset, that's normal.
But the cash shop is there to support the game beyond 1.0. Instead of a paid DLC model, or a battle pass, they went with a MTX shop to further develop and expand the game. The shop went live sooner so they can test it in production the whole feature, is not something that you could get away with a buggy state.
If that's true and they'll support this game with what is basically free dlcs at the cost of having an mtx shop then I'll be fine with it.
Depends on how good those dlcs will be and if the game doesn't die instantly though.
It is misleading to say that they wont have a "battlepass" because they will still FOMO you into "Supporter Packs" that are on a seasonal rotation.
I mean they have the prototype to that system up already with $130+ in "Seasonal Supporter Packs" available, that are not upwards-inclusive.
Meaning you cant just buy the most expensive and get all the content, you need to buy every individual pack to get all the content.
The last time I played this dump, some dude tried to flex saying he spent his entire last paycheck on the shop because he wants to support the game.
I mean, I dont believe him, but I do believe there are people like this.
Roundabout, for them to keep all of their promises about the future of the game and it's support, they will need whales.
The question is how many people will be willing to be whales for a game that couldnt hold it's player peak for more than a month.
You should surf more the internet. This is nothing.
By that token, you could say DLCs and MTX are just the same thing: you pay upfront, and get "content" out of it.
Well, cosmetics are indeed content, but you're not forced or pushed in any way to buy that content, some people ignore all the cosmetic stuff and only care about the gameplay, others want their character to look cool in a specific way, I can respect that to a degree, but this is an ARPG, not a fashion simulator.
That's a weird conclusion, to say the least. Believing him or not is not a thing if there are people willing to do that anyways.
I don't agree this is a game designed to hook players for years non-stop.
Hyperbole
Not really?
The point is that the limited availability of the content makes it this games equivalent to a battlepass.
Sure it is no Battlepass by the measure of being divided into Tiers achievable by play, but they practically fulfil the same role:
Milk regular players every few months.
It's slightly less predatory because they dont force you into a time investment, but most modern games also simply allow you to buy Battlepass Tiers so with more money you can still unlock the entire BP at once.
Actually, DLCs and MTX are pretty similar.
Are the Story DLCs for ESO MTX?
But the distinguishing factor is often price and whether you have to convert currency, but even that border is smudged.
Is buying x Summons for Mobile Game Y an MTX? Sure it's cheap, but they often cost real money and not ingame currency, but sometimes they do cost ingame premium currency.
In the end, DLCs to me are large Expansions of the Story that often also increase the scope of player power customization, but dont neccessarily need to, while MTX are purchases of content, that does not expand the variety of player power or adds new story.
That is kinda disconnected from my point.
My point was, that these Supporter packs, in contrast to most seasonal content models, which are mostly battlepasses, are not downwards inclusive.
The 50€ Pack does not contain the 30€ pack + more, it is just different content.
Imagine a Battlepass where you can buy level 80 of the BP but instead of unlocking all previous Tiers, you pay a larger amount and just get level 80 of that BP.
I'd say that's a big yikes.
I was just expressing that it was entirely reasonable to me, that there are people who will go "Oh I want all the Seasonal Content, but that's like 150€ but next Week a game I really wanna play releases" and then decide they dont need food that month.
I mean, it's their money, I just think the fact that people would pretend to simp so hard for this game, is really discomforting considering it's not even out of EA and has almost no players rn.
You agreeing or not does not change the fact, that the one peak they had during EA, the one very obvious peak of concurrent players, lasted one month and then instantly died.
You can think this game is designed to hook people for years non-stop, but the current trend just clearly doesnt show that. So you are copiuming right now.
You dont have facts, you just "like, feel this vibe"
Does it break the ascetic of the game? Are you going to see people running around in anime skins? or a giant inflatable bobble head of *insert popular culture icon here* who knows, but for now everything seems fine.
There are a lot of factors surrounding the cash shop, but to your point of intrusiveness I think its fine. As others have pointed out, there is a bit of FOMO with the seasonal exclusive content and it also being tier locked as opposed to inclusive. Value is subjective so I have no comment on that front.
I think it is hard to bring base gear into question, because of the nature of the game. You are going to want to wear the items you want to wear for their stats primarly (if at all), leaving little room for style being the deciding factor.
There is a youtube short by "VivaLADirtLeague" titled style is important. So I guess that is where the cosmetics come into play to cover for that ascetic choice.