Almost bought this before realizing it's TenCent

[space witch]

Just a word to any conscientious buyers:
https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/eleventh-hour-games-new-partnership/48083

[decree]

I mean so what, i would partner with tencent too for money... GGG has partnered with tencent and nothing happened...maybe they just share a little playerdata, but i dont think tencent influences them in a bad way.

[space witch]

Nguyên văn bởi michelb:

So I guess you're not playing Diablo and you're quitting PoE too huh?

Correct.

[Power]

You'll find that most games that can be bought in china (A massive market) will be tied to tencent in some way as you can only operate a business or sell things in CHINA if you're partnered with a wholly Chinese company. Guess which Chinese company is the biggest now and partners with the majority of the world's digital companies? Tencent.

They pretty much run the internet in China because their 1 app does literally everything all of our other apps do. Where we have texting, facebook, snapchat, etc etc etc. Tencent just takes whatever is popular and adds it into their main application. They also partner with almost every game dev to release games in china. If you wanna sell to China's MASSIVE market. You have to work with Tencent.

That being said tencent isn't evil and from what I know they give partners a pretty wide latitude on controlling their partnered products. But yeah. You can only escape Tencent if you're playing a game that refuses to sell in china at all.

[Malvolion]

Nguyên văn bởi Draktok:

extremely weird mindset you people have.

How? By not being ignorant denialists?

[nowhere man]

Nguyên văn bởi Ayk-:

Tencent ethics are a point of another discussion, but if you want to avoid them completely, you have to join the Amish my friend.

That's simply not true. I know you made an exaggerated comparison as to make a point that Tencent controls too much already. But as a matter of fact, it is possible to completely and absolutely boycott every single product that has Tencent money in it, like a maniac, and still have way more than enough games to play until you die. I don´t boycott everything that has tencent on it but i know that there are just too many really good non-tencent games out there to be played and that will always be the case.

[Chuck]

Nguyên văn bởi nowhere man:

Nguyên văn bởi Ayk-:

Tencent ethics are a point of another discussion, but if you want to avoid them completely, you have to join the Amish my friend.

That's simply not true. I know you made an exaggerated comparison as to make a point that Tencent controls too much already. But as a matter of fact, it is possible to completely and absolutely boycott every single product that has Tencent money in it, like a maniac, and still have way more than enough games to play until you die. I don´t boycott everything that has tencent on it but i know that there are just too many really good non-tencent games out there to be played and that will always be the case.

They were more making a point the OPs little "crusade" against Tencent is only for threads like this and not because of any ACTUAL aversion to Tencent. If they actually cared about Tencent, they would have to never play another Unreal Engine game again, which is a HUGE number of games. Are they the only games in existence? Not at all. But to boycott this game while continuing to play a dozen other games that have "Tencent money" in it comes off as pointless.

[nowhere man]

Nguyên văn bởi Chuck:

Nguyên văn bởi nowhere man:

That's simply not true. I know you made an exaggerated comparison as to make a point that Tencent controls too much already. But as a matter of fact, it is possible to completely and absolutely boycott every single product that has Tencent money in it, like a maniac, and still have way more than enough games to play until you die. I don´t boycott everything that has tencent on it but i know that there are just too many really good non-tencent games out there to be played and that will always be the case.

They were more making a point the OPs little "crusade" against Tencent is only for threads like this and not because of any ACTUAL aversion to Tencent. If they actually cared about Tencent, they would have to never play another Unreal Engine game again, which is a HUGE number of games. Are they the only games in existence? Not at all. But to boycott this game while continuing to play a dozen other games that have "Tencent money" in it comes off as pointless.

I dont think you can include any game that was simply developed in Unreal engine as a tencent game. No, that's not accurate. Unreal engine is sold like a license for any company, not only tencent owned ones.

Anyways that's a side issue, I'm not picking any dog in this thread's fight, i'm just commenting on things I think are important to clarify. My point is that if people want to boycott tencent, which they can do if they want, they are not automaticaly sent to an alien world in exile, and one thing that may be pointless to you , might not be for someone else. It's all about subjectivity.

[Chuck]

Nguyên văn bởi nowhere man:

Nguyên văn bởi Chuck:

They were more making a point the OPs little "crusade" against Tencent is only for threads like this and not because of any ACTUAL aversion to Tencent. If they actually cared about Tencent, they would have to never play another Unreal Engine game again, which is a HUGE number of games. Are they the only games in existence? Not at all. But to boycott this game while continuing to play a dozen other games that have "Tencent money" in it comes off as pointless.

I dont think you can include any game that was simply developed in Unreal engine as a tencent game. No, that's not accurate. Unreal engine is sold like a license for any company, not only tencent owned ones.

Anyways that's a side issue, I'm not picking any dog in this thread's fight, i'm just commenting on things I think are important to clarify. My point is that if people want to boycott tencent, which they can do if they want, they are not automaticaly sent to an alien world in exile, and one thing that may be pointless to you , might not be for someone else. It's all about subjectivity.

Epic owns and maintains UE. If Tencent investing in this game is enough to question whether something shady is going to happen with this game, don't you think owning 40% of Epic should cause the same worry for UE? What's stopping Tencent from "forcing" Epic to add shady code to UE? I'm just taking this catastrophizing of Tencent's investment to it's logical destination.

I do agree that it's not an all or nothing thing like some people have painted it though. There are definitely a ton of games that aren't, in any way, associated with Tencent. I just don't like when people put up threads like this as if they are on some type of pedestal while they surround themselves with stuff that is involved in some way with the thing they are boycotting.

[Mordy]

Easy bait, easy points.

Maybe one day you folks stop feeding dem obvious troll.. today is not that day but here's to hoping we'll get there, some day.

[Darkeus]

Nguyên văn bởi space witch:

Nguyên văn bởi michelb:

So I guess you're not playing Diablo and you're quitting PoE too huh?

Correct.

Well at least you have consistent morals. I gotta give you that if you are being truthful.

But my dude, you have A TON of games to stop playing... Look up how much TenCent owns.

You might as well stop gaming.

[Amduskas]

I have a few friends that won't buy because of the tencent partnership. I bought in myself before I was aware.
I figure it's still better than supporting blizzard these days, but yeah, feels bad.

[Bleezip]

Nguyên văn bởi Skeezy Bojangle:

Ah damn, I was interested in this. Thanks for the heads up!

I hate Tencent too but you do realize vermintide, darktide and a plethora of your other games you play also has Tencent's greedy, grubby paws in it; right?

[ostar]

Too few mediocre ARPGs, let alone good ones, to give a flying f about the producer.

In fact, past 5-10 years, that goes for all genres.



If there were 10 poe-level of complexity and depth ARPGs, then I'd potentially consider the moral standings of their producers.

Until then though, oh well lol.

[illu]

I just hope that when the developers are adding in the auto loot pets that PoE and Diablo 3 added for Chinese players they add them for Westerners as well

[Mirai]

Tencent is an investment firm. They own large shares in a number of gaming companies and other industries such as entertainment and have for ages now. They own shares in companies, not the companies themselves and do not exert any influence over the companies. As examples, they have owned shares in RIOT Games I think since it was first formed, they own shares in GGG and D.E. (or more precisely, obtained the investment firm that owns shares in D.E.) and all of those companies have consistent business models that they formed and operate under.

Tencent does have ties with the CCP, there's no denying that and the fact they are obtaining large shares in so many major industries is concerning to say the least and if that is your reason, then that's up to you.