Replayability?

[lllllllll]

What would you compare this game replay-ability wise? Is it like D2 where u can keep playing over and over to max your gear and zoom thru or D3/POE etc. where you can invest thousands of hours in the game and still have progress and be willing to play it in terms of content and stuff to do?

[Ravenkid9266]

At the end of the day you got to find your own reasons to play because the game does not really provide one.

What do I mean? well when you can take apart the endgame bosses with basic boots there is not a lot of incentive to grind out a characters gear. There are not really a lot of things to go in general. Story-shallow and incomplete. Area for that pve rush. Dungeons but see above about gear so I guess if you want to enjoy the dungeon specific gimmicks. Endgame is zoom to the boss and then do it again.

If you are concerned I mean extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence just let me know I got the videos, including the developer confirming they are 100% true.

[lllllllll]

Originally posted by Ravenkid9266:

At the end of the day you got to find your own reasons to play because the game does not really provide one.

What do I mean? well when you can take apart the endgame bosses with basic boots there is not a lot of incentive to grind out a characters gear. There are not really a lot of things to go in general. Story-shallow and incomplete. Area for that pve rush. Dungeons but see above about gear so I guess if you want to enjoy the dungeon specific gimmicks. Endgame is zoom to the boss and then do it again.

If you are concerned I mean extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence just let me know I got the videos, including the developer confirming they are 100% true.

I just dont want to buy another D2 clone where there is no endgame to grind and story based bs. i want a game where i can play 1k hours thats all. D2 has that with item randomiser or poe with maps etc.

[Ravenkid9266]

Originally posted by Kaido:

Originally posted by Ravenkid9266:

At the end of the day you got to find your own reasons to play because the game does not really provide one.

What do I mean? well when you can take apart the endgame bosses with basic boots there is not a lot of incentive to grind out a characters gear. There are not really a lot of things to go in general. Story-shallow and incomplete. Area for that pve rush. Dungeons but see above about gear so I guess if you want to enjoy the dungeon specific gimmicks. Endgame is zoom to the boss and then do it again.

If you are concerned I mean extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence just let me know I got the videos, including the developer confirming they are 100% true.

I just dont want to buy another D2 clone where there is no endgame to grind and story based bs. i want a game where i can play 1k hours thats all. D2 has that with item randomiser or poe with maps etc.

Maybe later, and I mean way way way later. Right now no. LE is super casual, you have basically 97% of your player power by the time the incomplete story spits you into "endgame" So you can go and get gear but you have next to zero use for it. There is a quick video about the Biggest Problem by Lizardirl, give it a watch if you want to see just how bad it is.

[Neanwen]

You most likely wont play this game for 1k hours, i got to 140 ( pre patch ), got bored and went off to play Grim Dawn, to play for 1k hours you'd need to be the type that likes to build spreadsheets and min/max your characters abilities/skills to their absolute limit, then spend the time hoping for a gear drop with just the right attributes and then getting lucky when upgrading it through crafting.

[lllllllll]

Originally posted by Neanwen:

You most likely wont play this game for 1k hours, i got to 140 ( pre patch ), got bored and went off to play Grim Dawn, to play for 1k hours you'd need to be the type that likes to build spreadsheets and min/max your characters abilities/skills to their absolute limit, then spend the time hoping for a gear drop with just the right attributes and then getting lucky when upgrading it through crafting.

does grim down offer that type of 1k+ hour replaiability then?

[Neanwen]

Erm yea I guess, it's a huge game, lots of content well before endgame, you can even access the endgame stuff long before you complete the story line if your just in the mood to do dungeon running that day, lots of classes each with their own skill sets that can be paired with a second class, for example, you could make a gun toting druid, or a sorcerer/necromancer hybrid, lots of gear drops and I mean lots, you can even create builds around just one piece of gear, story is really good, it's mostly in the form of notes you pick up, there are world bosses to really test you if you think you got good enough, and they are tough, really tough. Personally I loved it.

[Kmany]

I mean isnt every game in this genre to make builds and grind for that loot..?
Suppose someone might play it throuugh once for the story, but that is generally not why people play these types of games... i think..

[ShocKa]

Originally posted by Kaido:

Originally posted by Ravenkid9266:

At the end of the day you got to find your own reasons to play because the game does not really provide one.

What do I mean? well when you can take apart the endgame bosses with basic boots there is not a lot of incentive to grind out a characters gear. There are not really a lot of things to go in general. Story-shallow and incomplete. Area for that pve rush. Dungeons but see above about gear so I guess if you want to enjoy the dungeon specific gimmicks. Endgame is zoom to the boss and then do it again.

If you are concerned I mean extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence just let me know I got the videos, including the developer confirming they are 100% true.

I just dont want to buy another D2 clone where there is no endgame to grind and story based bs. i want a game where i can play 1k hours thats all. D2 has that with item randomiser or poe with maps etc.

Why don't you try Grim Dawn. It's seems GD the game you are looking for.

[Tuxicoman [FR]]

Well in Grim Dawn, I created a pistol-fire char. It was onshotting everything. Except a few elites have almost complete fire resistance.... So bad :(

[mcgtron]

Originally posted by Ravenkid9266:

There is a quick video about the Biggest Problem by Lizardirl, give it a watch if you want to see just how bad it is.

that was a very eye-opening video. thanks for sharing that. i wonder why no one else is talking about this? if gear is basically useless, it really takes a lot of fun out the game. arpgs are supposed to be mostly about the loot hunt.

[kongkim]

Love Grim Dawn, but there are more endgame here then in Grim Dawn. Here you can keep doing monolith and push on that, and the arena, in Grim when you have done super bosses there are really no more to do.

[theslay66]

Depends of what you play for.
Personnally I like to reroll and test new builds, I have something like 30 characters, none of them have reached max level (at most reached near 90) and I'm happy with what the game provides as content.

On the other end, I find that running dungeons/monoliths to push one character quickly feels repetitive, so I imagine if you're the type of player who like to have only one, very powerfull character, you will get bored at some point.

[😎Astran😾]

The game is from 90s, with minor improvements. Compared to your modern-day aRPGs wich are based on the correct premise how the player is a 30yo+ adult who has seen 5+ aRPGs already and played them for years and don't want to go through yet another leveling cycle: it's boring af. Instead of placing the player right into end-game fun - it suggest lengthy tutorial (a.k.a. "leveling"). Screw this.

To compare: uninstalled the game after 10-ish hous. where I play Undecember for hundred+ hours already because it offer end-game fun right off the bat. Leveling simply improves the gameplay, doesn't suggest new ways (which I'v already figured out from watching YT videos which weren't available in 90s)

[Ravenkid9266]

Originally posted by mcgtron:

Originally posted by Ravenkid9266:

There is a quick video about the Biggest Problem by Lizardirl, give it a watch if you want to see just how bad it is.

that was a very eye-opening video. thanks for sharing that. i wonder why no one else is talking about this? if gear is basically useless, it really takes a lot of fun out the game. arpgs are supposed to be mostly about the loot hunt.

Well people used to blame that specific build but we also got this.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/704436959

Then people continued to move the goal post, then we got these.
https://clips.twitch.tv/JoyousShinyWalrusFailFish-jATux_QLDNn2vi17
https://clips.twitch.tv/TriangularHotRutabagaAMPTropPunch-BJHjX3NePQooZy-B

Then people said but its EA the developers will fix it, and the general response was check the patch notes and show me where the fix is, well from the people who have actually seen the various videos. There even is a few on youtube there people take apart T4 Jurla (the strongest boss) sub 7 seconds.

People are pretty unaware about things and its hard to judge them given EHG likes to dole out information on the official forums, discord, reddit, random replies to unrelated posts, and sneak major announcements into otherwise unrelated announcements, interviews with content creators, user streams etc. I believe this to be the plausible deniability defense.

Edit: just for clarity after this situation started to gain traction, the developers said it would be fixed. *applause* then they went and increased player power via levels so make of it what you will. Personally I think its all lip-service and they have no intention of fixing it despite saying they would.

Look around here, you still have people thinking that offline mode is actually offline when its just single player. Now you can say hey I want 98% of my player power to come from levels and hey that's fair, no shade, but lets call a spade a spade.

[kongkim]

Originally posted by Ravenkid9266:

Originally posted by mcgtron:

that was a very eye-opening video. thanks for sharing that. i wonder why no one else is talking about this? if gear is basically useless, it really takes a lot of fun out the game. arpgs are supposed to be mostly about the loot hunt.

Well people used to blame that specific build but we also got this.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/704436959

Then people continued to move the goal post, then we got these.
https://clips.twitch.tv/JoyousShinyWalrusFailFish-jATux_QLDNn2vi17
https://clips.twitch.tv/TriangularHotRutabagaAMPTropPunch-BJHjX3NePQooZy-B

Then people said but its EA the developers will fix it, and the general response was check the patch notes and show me where the fix is, well from the people who have actually seen the various videos. There even is a few on youtube there people take apart T4 Jurla (the strongest boss) sub 7 seconds.

People are pretty unaware about things and its hard to judge them given EHG likes to dole out information on the official forums, discord, reddit, random replies to unrelated posts, and sneak major announcements into otherwise unrelated announcements, interviews with content creators, user streams etc. I believe this to be the plausible deniability defense.

Edit: just for clarity after this situation started to gain traction, the developers said it would be fixed. *applause* then they went and increased player power via levels so make of it what you will. Personally I think its all lip-service and they have no intention of fixing it despite saying they would.

Look around here, you still have people thinking that offline mode is actually offline when its just single player. Now you can say hey I want 98% of my player power to come from levels and hey that's fair, no shade, but lets call a spade a spade.

I really like to hear what you like about the game. Your last 10000000000 posts on the game has only been bad things, so don't get way you stay around?