Here's the problems, as I see it.

[mph0023]

The game is clunky. You can't just attack easily like Diablo. The game also gets hung up and makes you walk around a bit to hit a destructible object within reach.
You can't buy and sell with one click.
Everything takes extra unnecessary steps. Hold shift and left click to sell. Really? Why not just left click? Like Grim Dawn does it.
Stop doing that. Make everything one click.
There are a lot of great things here. But, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, you fail to make a good game that feels fun to play. The controls (and lack of total customization, there) ruins it.
You simply won't allow a player to play a Diablo clone you made like Diablo. WTF? Then make a different genre of game.
You also don't let the rogue dodge/roll at will. It's on a cooldown in your game. Warhammer: Chaosbane is not a great Diablo-like...But the archer character can dodge/roll at will. It feels so much better to play, honestly.

[Ravenkid9266]

""I think Grim Dawn is better right now, sure. It's had a lot more time and an amazing dev team. It feels better to play; it feels finished and polished. I hope Last Epoch gets close to Grim Dawn when it finally is out of EA..."" So what is the truth?

Yes that is a bit tongue in cheek, but you posted it. Its almost like once you get a bit into the game the cracks start to show, and by the time you get to "endgame" or even the back end of "endgame" you are not really enjoying the game but playing around the cracks.

[mph0023]

Grim Dawn was in EA too.
It was better then, and is better now. It's a great game, if you like the sub-genre.
I want Last Epoch to be on that level, and it just isn't. Worse, it doesn't seem to be improving.

[Ravenkid9266]

The point I was trying to make is that even in EA comparing GD and LE is simply a poor comparison, mostly due to the overall game direction. Sorry I read in my native language and reply in English so some times things get lost in translation.

[N'Zoth]

The real issues with the game is that the Ui is dog ****, especially the map. That and this is a paid game and there is no character customization whatsoever. It doesn't do hardly anything better than POE, and POE is a f2p game, with the exception of the loot system (and that may not last considering we're getting close to POE2).
The story is also really hard to follow. There is almost no voice acting.

[FrodoFraggins]

引用自 mph0023：

The game is clunky. You can't just attack easily like Diablo.

You also don't let the rogue dodge/roll at will. It's on a cooldown in your game. Warhammer: Chaosbane is not a great Diablo-like...But the archer character can dodge/roll at will. It feels so much better to play, honestly.

I feel that Grim Dawn combat is a lot clunkier myself.

Not every class will or should be mobile like that. I haven't tried them enough in this game to make a decision on it.

[FrodoFraggins]

引用自 N'Zoth：

That and this is a paid game and there is no character customization whatsoever.

Huh? Between trees per skill and itemization expanding customization I can't say I agree with that at all.

[N'Zoth]

引用自 FrodoFraggins：

引用自 N'Zoth：

That and this is a paid game and there is no character customization whatsoever.

Huh? Between trees per skill and itemization expanding customization I can't say I agree with that at all.

Physical appearance, gender, race, hair, ect

[FrodoFraggins]

引用自 N'Zoth：

引用自 FrodoFraggins：

Huh? Between trees per skill and itemization expanding customization I can't say I agree with that at all.

Physical appearance, gender, race, hair, ect

what ARPGs are you comparing it too? All that stuff gets covered in the game and at iso you don't really see it anyway if you hide helmet

[toruvinn]

I personally have no issues with all those things you've mentioned. The only thing I wish for is slightly better filters (i.e. multiple of the same filters with AND and OR (XOR? heh) per rule.
Also cheaper stashes. If we have so many potential builds, I really need item storage...

[[LWT]Karpiu]

引用自 N'Zoth：

The real issues with the game is that the Ui is dog ****, especially the map. That and this is a paid game and there is no character customization whatsoever. It doesn't do hardly anything better than POE, and POE is a f2p game, with the exception of the loot system (and that may not last considering we're getting close to POE2).
The story is also really hard to follow. There is almost no voice acting.

Pile of bs.

1. UI - don't really see many issues with it, importance of this is still secondary to say the least
2. No character customization compared to which big ARPGs ? PoE - zero character customization. Grim Dawn - zero character customization. Diablo 1, 2, and 3 - zero character customization. It is such a non-issue in this genre that it's mind-blowing someone even mentions it when talking about a diablo-like, you don't even see your character when playing, all you're seeing is spell/skill effects and monsters dying
3. Because PoE's story is very easy to follow, it's considered a meme to the point that even devs themselves know how fcked up it is and joked about it on multiple occasions. Last Epoch has nothing on that
4. PoE 2 is not a new game and it will be played by PoE players. It's more of an expansion with some reworked systems than a new game, it won't attract many new players because it'll remain the same hardcore game for hardcore players. Not to mention the beta is not even planned for PoE 2, they're still early in development based on what has been said so far. Enlighten me about the PoE 2's new loot system cause i might've missed something about it being reworked. Skill gem system getting a change is not really a loot rework.

[N'Zoth]

引用自 LWTKarpiu：

引用自 N'Zoth：

The real issues with the game is that the Ui is dog ****, especially the map. That and this is a paid game and there is no character customization whatsoever. It doesn't do hardly anything better than POE, and POE is a f2p game, with the exception of the loot system (and that may not last considering we're getting close to POE2).
The story is also really hard to follow. There is almost no voice acting.

Pile of bs.

1. UI - don't really see many issues with it, importance of this is still secondary to say the least
2. No character customization compared to which big ARPGs ? PoE - zero character customization. Grim Dawn - zero character customization. Diablo 1, 2, and 3 - zero character customization. It is such a non-issue in this genre that it's mind-blowing someone even mentions it when talking about a diablo-like, you don't even see your character when playing, all you're seeing is spell/skill effects and monsters dying
3. Because PoE's story is very easy to follow, it's considered a meme to the point that even devs themselves know how fcked up it is and joked about it on multiple occasions. Last Epoch has nothing on that
4. PoE 2 is not a new game and it will be played by PoE players. It's more of an expansion with some reworked systems than a new game, it won't attract many new players because it'll remain the same hardcore game for hardcore players. Not to mention the beta is not even planned for PoE 2, they're still early in development based on what has been said so far. Enlighten me about the PoE 2's new loot system cause i might've missed something about it being reworked. Skill gem system getting a change is not really a loot rework.

I literally stopped reading after “1.”. Everyone agrees Last Epoch’s Ui is trash. It’s probably the biggest downfall of the game.

[toruvinn]

引用自 N'Zoth：

I literally stopped reading after “1.”. Everyone agrees Last Epoch’s Ui is trash. It’s probably the biggest downfall of the game.

I mean, if you say "everyone" including the person you are responding to then it can't be true.

BTW, for the record, I'm with the former guy, the UI works for me...

[N'Zoth]

引用自 toruvinn：

引用自 N'Zoth：

I literally stopped reading after “1.”. Everyone agrees Last Epoch’s Ui is trash. It’s probably the biggest downfall of the game.

I mean, if you say "everyone" including the person you are responding to then it can't be true.

BTW, for the record, I'm with the former guy, the UI works for me...

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you can’t sit there with a straight face and tell me the map system is better or on par with D2 or D3. Both of which are 10+ years old. And I mean world map and roaming map. Whenever anyone does a review for Last Epoch the Ui is usually the first thing to brought up as a negative.

[toruvinn]

引用自 N'Zoth：

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you can’t sit there with a straight face and tell me the map system is better or on par with D2 or D3. Both of which are 10+ years old. And I mean world map and roaming map. Whenever anyone does a review for Last Epoch the Ui is usually the first thing to brought up as a negative.

Oh, the minimap, yeah, that one could use some upgrades. I've played PoE back when its minimap was a complete mess, though, so I've learned not to care about that one I guess. The menus(incl. skill menus), inventory/stash are sufficiently good for me.

[N'Zoth]

引用自 toruvinn：

引用自 N'Zoth：

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you can’t sit there with a straight face and tell me the map system is better or on par with D2 or D3. Both of which are 10+ years old. And I mean world map and roaming map. Whenever anyone does a review for Last Epoch the Ui is usually the first thing to brought up as a negative.

Oh, the minimap, yeah, that one could use some upgrades. I've played PoE back when its minimap was a complete mess, though, so I've learned not to care about that one I guess. The menus(incl. skill menus), inventory/stash are sufficiently good for me.

Ya for me it was just really hard to get information from the maps. I’m sitting there looking at it like “This is going to take some considerable time to get use to”. The Accent realized their map system was ♥♥♥♥ awful so what they did was add a feature that when you press “O” it makes a path on the ground for you to follow to your objectives. The world map is just a mess of information.
I think if the average player has to put considerable time and energy to learn your Ai/map system then you’ve failed at designing it.