Mobile arpg with summoner class went live this week. Some thoughts on what is better there.

[Omega AI]

a mobile arpg went into cbt this week with a summoner class. Its not an auto-battle/walk one.

* The summoner minions are way more re-active and aggressive, even before upgrading them with the aggressiveness rune (same idea as POE). E.g aggro radius and actually going to enemies close to edge of screen.
* The combat with summons and enemies actually feels like an action rpg even from level 1 and not something extremely slow until like level 18+.
* This is the big QOL one. Minions auto attack destructable objects such as barrels with a targetting priority lower than enemies. No need to spam 'a' or equip an attack skill.

Following is more about overall game design I guess.
* Can change the summons with different customization runes on the fly mid combat. Like one increases the amount of summons and another reduces, but buffs them. You are not locked from testing abilities and their upgrades. It does cost resources to change talents, but not abilities+ability upgrades.

[SpiralRazor]

Torchlight Infinite?

[phrozz]

Originally posted by SpiralRazor:

Torchlight Infinite?

Thats a thing? I need to check this out. Had no idea they were making another torchlight

[moonfeast]

Wats the name of the game?

[I Should Be Sleeping]

why wouldn't you state the game's name? lol

[Omega AI]

Yes its torchlight infinite. Apologies it wasnt about advertising another game, but since I was asked.

Its currently undergoing closed betas. last one was over within days. They added the first true summoner class. All data wiped in each of their betas, so not sure if you want to spend/waste time on it.

Just google torchlight commander and check your prefered streamerwebsite.

I've played both most recent cbt of DI and torchlight infinite. The summoner class in torchlight was a bit better than necro from DI (didnt feel as good as necro in d3, or witch doctor in d3). However it looks like they might be adding more to DI than the last beta from few months ago. I think torchlight is close to how its going to be released.

Ill be at the very least trying DI on 2nd of June on PC official client. Its not a typical arpg (has a lot more game modes and some partial open world features.

[Fenris]

You lost me with " mobile arpg" :)

[Archon]

While the Commander is a nice summoning class and very fun. I gotta agree, mobile ARPGs just aren't my thing, the most I can go is playing diablo 3 on switch and even then I prefer mouse and keyboard if possible.

That said I've been having just as much fun with summoning in Last Epoch. Have you not?

[RodHull]

Originally posted by Swearwolves:

That said I've been having just as much fun with summoning in Last Epoch. Have you not?

I find summoning in LE completely meh at best and downright annoying at worst.

[Archon]

Originally posted by RodHull:

Originally posted by Swearwolves:

That said I've been having just as much fun with summoning in Last Epoch. Have you not?

I find summoning in LE completely meh at best and downright annoying at worst.

It could be I am used to the mediocrity that is summoning in most games. I really enjoyed Witch Doctor in Diablo 3 the best, but I don't desire Diablo 2 Necromancer because it was basically just summon a billion units and sit back and watch. A combination of having to cast spells, debuff enemies, do damage, and manage summons is my preferred summoning sweet spot. All subjective of course.

[TheHateMaker]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ios only?

[RodHull]

Originally posted by Swearwolves:

Originally posted by RodHull:

I find summoning in LE completely meh at best and downright annoying at worst.

It could be I am used to the mediocrity that is summoning in most games. I really enjoyed Witch Doctor in Diablo 3 the best, but I don't desire Diablo 2 Necromancer because it was basically just summon a billion units and sit back and watch. A combination of having to cast spells, debuff enemies, do damage, and manage summons is my preferred summoning sweet spot. All subjective of course.

I enjoyed Witch Doctors in D3 but I don't consider them a summoning class. They are just spellcasters whos spells happen to spawn throwaway minions (for want of a more eloquent way to put it)

Grim Dawn for me is the only game that gets summons right.

[TheHateMaker]

Originally posted by RodHull:

Originally posted by Swearwolves:

It could be I am used to the mediocrity that is summoning in most games. I really enjoyed Witch Doctor in Diablo 3 the best, but I don't desire Diablo 2 Necromancer because it was basically just summon a billion units and sit back and watch. A combination of having to cast spells, debuff enemies, do damage, and manage summons is my preferred summoning sweet spot. All subjective of course.

I enjoyed Witch Doctors in D3 but I don't consider them a summoning class. They are just spellcasters whos spells happen to spawn throwaway minions (for want of a more eloquent way to put it)

Grim Dawn for me is the only game that gets summons right.

path of exile has a really good summoner build

[Omega AI]

Originally posted by RodHull:

Originally posted by Swearwolves:

It could be I am used to the mediocrity that is summoning in most games. I really enjoyed Witch Doctor in Diablo 3 the best, but I don't desire Diablo 2 Necromancer because it was basically just summon a billion units and sit back and watch. A combination of having to cast spells, debuff enemies, do damage, and manage summons is my preferred summoning sweet spot. All subjective of course.

I enjoyed Witch Doctors in D3 but I don't consider them a summoning class. They are just spellcasters whos spells happen to spawn throwaway minions (for want of a more eloquent way to put it)

Grim Dawn for me is the only game that gets summons right.

Witch doctor has permemant dogs / golem and then the little annoying mobs. with the right items and passives/skills you can have those little ones up non stop. basically can have at the minimum 4 permenant pets and at most like 20+.

The necromancer is the one that I see as having totems and not pets.

[RodHull]

Originally posted by Omega AI:

Originally posted by RodHull:

I enjoyed Witch Doctors in D3 but I don't consider them a summoning class. They are just spellcasters whos spells happen to spawn throwaway minions (for want of a more eloquent way to put it)

Grim Dawn for me is the only game that gets summons right.

Witch doctor has permemant dogs / golem and then the little annoying mobs. with the right items and passives/skills you can have those little ones up non stop. basically can have at the minimum 4 permenant pets and at most like 20+.

The necromancer is the one that I see as having totems and not pets.

You misunderstand me.

So the Witchdoctor, I had one who had the permanent fetish army item and 3 perm zombie dogs, at any time I had a minimum of like 12 pets running about. But they aren't actually individual units with any autonomy. They are just a spell that follows you around, almost like a mobile DOT aura.

Where as 'proper' pets should have defense and attack stats you can alter and change to suit different roles/builds. Grim dawn can have pets which do bleed, elemental, poison even retaliation damage and much more. I would equate D3s pets with something like blade spirit in GD which is a summon rather than a pet, it has no health and simply follows the player performing set tasks (casting a spell or dot etc)

D3 has none of that, mainly cause its just a very simplified game mechanically not specifically cause of any failing of their summoner classes.

[Finarfin]

You lost me at "Torchlight"