Comparing Blood Unit and AGEs

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Who do you think is superior?
I for one think that Blood Unit is kinda...superior with the Blood Rage. But AGEs have more special Bias Factor, was it?

[ΧΙΣΤ]

Originally posted by Hanuke:

Originally posted by χιΣΤ:

But you'd think since those guys got sent into high ash density zone to deal with a dangerous criminal such as Werner (especially they wanted to capture him alive), they would be somewhat competent or above average GEs. but it could be Baran's AT plus the crimson queen folks have more humanoid aragami cell than normal AGEs made Werner that strong.
maybe i just put too much thinking into this

They can stay in Ash for awhile because of P53c bias factor. The same Claire and Ricardo use, and which can be applied to any non AGE god eater. Then again, yeah, Werner is a much stronger AGE than normal because of his standing in the lore. Nobody would like a regular average Joe as leader of a resistance, after all. Do note that all other AGEs were ambushed and easily defeated by these same regular Gleipnir god eaters with nearly no resistance whatsoever. Meaning that it only took a simple ambush to defeat a group that supposedly can live in the most dangerous place of the world, and next to the strongest aragami ever recorded. Taking World War 2 as example, many ambush tactics still ended up with fierce fighting and casualties on both sides. Such wasn't the case here. Call it bad writing (well, it IS bad writing indeed), but this is what made me not believe that the average AGE could be that much stronger than your average 2nd gen. They are just better equipped for the ash lands. Then add Dromi, the dumbest aragami ever, being called the AGE eater....

but the area around the CQ base has so high ash density that even normal AGEs wouldn't last long there, let alone GEs with bias factor. and judging by how they handled Werner, their main tactic was completely overpowering the AGEs with superior number and firepower, the capturing of AGEs could be just tactic, number and weaponry alone. give me a gun and i can shoot down a pro MMA fighter, doesn't mean i have better combat ability. and the Dromi, wasn't at that point of the story only Hound team could take down ashborns?

[Blvxk]

Blood Unit is stronger because OP Meteor Bullets in GE2RB. Boom end of story.



-Kidding by the way-

Still, Blood Arts > Burst Arts. Burst Arts just seem flashier and aesthetically pleasing, but in terms of power and utility, Blood Arts just take over.

Gen 1 God Eaters aren't weak either by the way. Remember, before Lindow went all Corroded Aragami Mode, he was able to Solo an Orobouros. Which at the time, was viewed as elite. I doubt any of the AGEs (Besides the MC and maybe Werner) would be able to do such a thing.

I'm curious about the true strength of Goh (Lulu's master). Lulu was able to hold her own against the OG Squad of Hounds (Pre-Accel Trigger but still) while Goh beat her in convincing fashion. I bet he's high tier of all the AGEs, but not enough to beat the likes of someone like Julius (Who was stuck in the Tree for God knows how long and battling Aragami).

[Tregarde]

Cradle had Kanon and Gina.
Cradle wins.

[Null_User]

Originally posted by χιΣΤ:

but the area around the CQ base has so high ash density that even normal AGEs wouldn't last long there, let alone GEs with bias factor. and judging by how they handled Werner, their main tactic was completely overpowering the AGEs with superior number and firepower, the capturing of AGEs could be just tactic, number and weaponry alone. give me a gun and i can shoot down a pro MMA fighter, doesn't mean i have better combat ability. and the Dromi, wasn't at that point of the story only Hound team could take down ashborns?

But then we see all these cut scenes with Ricardo and Claire walking in the high intensity ashlands with the others. The scenes with Werner and Anubis come to mind. Though anyway, I, above all, believe that this was all due to plot holing and bad writing. They forgot what they said before about how bad the ashlands really are. Like, there was also that Baran captain, a regular human, standing around with Goh while waiting for Lulu, in a town that literally turned purple because of the contamination. But a few episodes before, Hilda could only stand 10 minutes in a relatively low ash environment when she first met Lulu. Does Baran have technology that allows regular humans to be in the ash? That's never really explained. So yeah, things happen because the plot said so.

....Also, all AGEs of working age and 2nd gen god eaters have guns, in their god arcs.... I seriously don't know why they have to turn to, of all things, SMGs, for dealing with human opponents... Perhaps now all of a sudden a bullet MADE to hurt aragami can't hurt a human with partial aragami stuff in them?

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Originally posted by Hanuke:

Originally posted by χιΣΤ:

but the area around the CQ base has so high ash density that even normal AGEs wouldn't last long there, let alone GEs with bias factor. and judging by how they handled Werner, their main tactic was completely overpowering the AGEs with superior number and firepower, the capturing of AGEs could be just tactic, number and weaponry alone. give me a gun and i can shoot down a pro MMA fighter, doesn't mean i have better combat ability. and the Dromi, wasn't at that point of the story only Hound team could take down ashborns?

But then we see all these cut scenes with Ricardo and Claire walking in the high intensity ashlands with the others. The scenes with Werner and Anubis come to mind. Though anyway, I, above all, believe that this was all due to plot holing and bad writing. They forgot what they said before about how bad the ashlands really are. Like, there was also that Baran captain, a regular human, standing around with Goh while waiting for Lulu, in a town that literally turned purple because of the contamination. But a few episodes before, Hilda could only stand 10 minutes in a relatively low ash environment when she first met Lulu. Does Baran have technology that allows regular humans to be in the ash? That's never really explained. So yeah, things happen because the plot said so.

....Also, all AGEs of working age and 2nd gen god eaters have guns, in their god arcs.... I seriously don't know why they have to turn to, of all things, SMGs, for dealing with human opponents... Perhaps now all of a sudden a bullet MADE to hurt aragami can't hurt a human with partial aragami stuff in them?

my guess is probably OP bullets are limited and can't be replenished w/o hitting aragami. or maybe it's just cliche, a hero getting showered in bullets by mooks looks dramatic for a last stand afterall.
apparently gleipnir database says that AGEs "generally possess extremely high levels of resonance and combat ability"
but yea it's pretty bad writing overall

[Algester]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBYorGRSURE

or have your typical AGE use this BE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as context

[Formous]

There are definitely a few plotholes. Early on when Ash density was a issue, your mission time is shortened from 40 minutes to 25. A nice touch of detail that is not replicated. I think this is a flaw of writing for the rule of cool. I too would like a better reason for why AGEs matter, and what exactly a AGE is. What does it mean when a AGE is rank A, like the protag, and what does that translate as. What happens exactly if the Bias factor is not administered? Just how much more durable is the AGE over a original GE. I get the feeling that Blood is intended to be linked as weaker then a AGE, considering the production of AGEs began to occur, with GEs being more normalized.

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Originally posted by Formous:

There are definitely a few plotholes. Early on when Ash density was a issue, your mission time is shortened from 40 minutes to 25. A nice touch of detail that is not replicated. I think this is a flaw of writing for the rule of cool. I too would like a better reason for why AGEs matter, and what exactly a AGE is. What does it mean when a AGE is rank A, like the protag, and what does that translate as. What happens exactly if the Bias factor is not administered? Just how much more durable is the AGE over a original GE. I get the feeling that Blood is intended to be linked as weaker then a AGE, considering the production of AGEs began to occur, with GEs being more normalized.

Seeing as Ricardo is a normal newtype, I'd say they are not that significant in terms of durability against the Ashes...

[Null_User]

Originally posted by χιΣΤ:

my guess is probably OP bullets are limited and can't be replenished w/o hitting aragami. or maybe it's just cliche, a hero getting showered in bullets by mooks looks dramatic for a last stand afterall.
apparently gleipnir database says that AGEs "generally possess extremely high levels of resonance and combat ability"
but yea it's pretty bad writing overall

Yeah. And it's sad. Like many anime stories, this one has potential if it's lore and plot are well maintained. I mean plot holes and general derps in writing happen in the best stories. But when we constantly see so many blatant errors big enough to blur such things as, why the heck AGEs exist at all? How was it easier to create a completely new bias factor when GE2 had already proven that you could change a god eater's bias factor? (example:Gilbert) Why create (from a writing standpoint) the whole xenophobia thing in the first place? To try to show some kind of political view perhaps? Despite the whole thing not really fitting? I mean, they could have kept the "Hero GE" tradition and nobody would have complained. Then there are all these inconsistencies with the ash stuff.

This is why, the more I try to refer to the story, I can't really answer which kind of god eater may be better or stronger. Too many inconsistencies around, and the only common factor is that the current characters will be attuned to whatever plot the writers want to push forth, regardless of past lore facts.

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There has always been a disparity between how the story portrays God Eaters and how the game functions mechanically, but 3 is where that really came to the forefront. The ash itself has little to no consequence to the gameplay, and we'll probably never get an active player scenario that involves (A)GEs fighting each other like in the cutscenes.

As for the question at hand, things got really ridiculous for Blood in the RB storyline which imo is far more powerful and significant than what any AGE has done so far, or even what Phym did at the end of 3's main story, but there's still all the future content that could take a steaming dump all over the established lore even harder.

[hotaru251]

Originally posted by RexEviL:

Which means they are physically stronger and faster compared to previous god eaters.

Soma would likely say otherwise as even w/o the bias factor he can withstand ashlands o3o

[Gummiel]

Originally posted by hotaru251:

Originally posted by RexEviL:

Which means they are physically stronger and faster compared to previous god eaters.

Soma would likely say otherwise as even w/o the bias factor he can withstand ashlands o3o

Well Soma is a VERY special one of a kind case, since he got the bias factor injected before he was born, making his body able to create the oracle cells itself. And the bias factor he got injected was actuall the P73 which would be the unmodified version of the biasfactor for the AGE's

[Wolf]

Blood SF vs Chrysanthemum AGE's

1. Burst Arts vs Blood Arts - As of now Blood Arts is far more superior since in "default" mode a Blood Art can pack a punch, so much more if in Burst Mode. but once the game gets updated this might change.

2. Physical Abilities - AGE's for this one. People say its not shown in the game but read the description and use SOMA/EIN as a perfect example...Remember P73 Bias Factor. Enough Said.

3. Aragami Slaying - AGE's are superior. For Blood they we're once introduced as the only ones capable of withstanding a psion (without the help of the MC's Evoke to activate the Blood Arts a normal God Eater can't fight a Psion). AGE's on the other hand as it was shown can fight a Psion without any issues, and they are the only ones capable of beating an Ashborn which is known to be ridiculously OP, (one medium ashborn capable of beating a whole batallion of GE's).

As you can see the winner is obvious. If you think there's something wrong with my comparison please tell me. and if you can add something that can prove my comparison correct then please do so.

[Wolf]

Originally posted by Download Everything:

Originally posted by Formous:

There are definitely a few plotholes. Early on when Ash density was a issue, your mission time is shortened from 40 minutes to 25. A nice touch of detail that is not replicated. I think this is a flaw of writing for the rule of cool. I too would like a better reason for why AGEs matter, and what exactly a AGE is. What does it mean when a AGE is rank A, like the protag, and what does that translate as. What happens exactly if the Bias factor is not administered? Just how much more durable is the AGE over a original GE. I get the feeling that Blood is intended to be linked as weaker then a AGE, considering the production of AGEs began to occur, with GEs being more normalized.

Seeing as Ricardo is a normal newtype, I'd say they are not that significant in terms of durability against the Ashes...

Wrong. He's not a Normal Newtype as a matter of fact there are no Normal Newtypes during the GE3 timeline they all have modified Bias factors to withstand the ashes but still not as durable as the AGE's.

[Wolf]

Originally posted by Hanuke:

The second armlet in GE3 AGEs serves a few purposes. One, it's for the extra ash corruption stuff. Second, to serve as handcuffs mode. The one thing AGEs have in their favor is their adaptability that allows them to use other god arcs (though that ability wasn't seen in the game at all). Otherwise, AGEs and regular 2nd gen god eaters are not seen too different in overall strength from what I have gathered of the story. If there's a power gap, it isn't displayed in the story.

Maybe because Claire and Ricardo is sticking around with AGE's beating ash aragami right? that's why your saying there's no power gap displayed in the story. That is like saying Kanon is Strong because she has beaten an Arc Aberrant.