GOD EATER 3

GOD EATER 3

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La La Oct 2, 2019 @ 2:37pm
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Hey, just finished Code Vein and it gave me some serious God Eater (anime) vibes. I'm interested in the story and would like to know the order I can watch the games, since I'm not really interested in playing them.
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SleeprunnerInc Oct 14, 2019 @ 8:55am 
Originally posted by Kando:
Originally posted by SleeprunnerInc:
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O i so enjoy a diskussion with someone at least as nerdy as me, no sarcasm. But you are wrong again. :)

1. Oracle cells where discoverd before, watch the anime there at least this is the case.

- it sounds logical to branch of production if communication is stable.

- You should know that what is the best think to do (as much communication as possible) and what is archivable (massive destruction of communication centers and internet lines by the thorn of judgment for example) are not the the same thing.
It is logical to think that an entire continent can go silent with a reasonable high chance. Sure this is speculation but far fetched it is not.
Sure restablishing communication is one priority but we dont know how far this was possible.

2. I am readying the wiki now. Just what makes you think that the "first batch" was before soma since litteraly this entry from ingame confirms what i was saying.
Soma Schicksal: 2 (18)
Joined Fenrir Far East Branch in 2064.

The son of Aisha and Johannes, he is a human being born with a bias factor embedded in his cells, part of a Managarm Project experiment. The plot failed, but the foundation for God Arc technology was built by studying Soma himself.

Unlike other Gods Eaters, he is able to produce his own bias factor, so there is no need for him to manually inject himself with bias factor.

God Arc: Buster Blade (older model/close-combat)

No need to investigate deeper. But hey its not like god eater could have no plot holes. So we have to consider canon.

3. We are diskussing the likly time line/connection for code vein and god eater. And i was saying as of this moment it is mostly likly a prequel that ends before the end of god eater 1.

So we have to disregard a lot of information and things that happen in later games.
So in god eater 1 fenrir was barly hanging on and desperatly tryed to finish the aegis project going even so far as to taking other god eaters from other branches to help in the effort. That the whole thing was not what most people belived (a save haven from aragami) we are not talking about.

Can you honestly say that fenrir at this time would have gone out of there way to find survivors or other technologie (bor parasites) that may or may not work/exist in helping this project? Let me answer for you, no.
With the same reasoning as you i could ask you why they dident go for odin if this was such a well know super weapon?
There where no ashlands at this time as far as i know. And we dont know how the world outside the goal of the mist looks like maybe there the aragami concentration is abnormal high in some way (like many strong aragami). This would at least explain the random deus pita.

It is not logical to think that with the world as it is that fenrir plays the good samaritan and tryes to establish as much communication as possible and rediscovers the world. They have already god eaters and they work more or less fine. They have no reason to hunt after a myth.

4. You can speculate all you want. If you go with your theory (something i am trying not to do) this may work. But at the moment we have to go with the fact that bor parasites work on aragami, this is fact at the moment. Or the very least this is how it is presented to us.

5. Again we dont know how much communication was possible. Or if the research is even related to one another. All we know is that they researched on very diffrent projects.
Just because they have the same end goal does not 100% mean that they have to know about it. Again the best way of doing it is not the same as it is generaly done.

6. Thats not how the lore is established.

7. I played god eater 3s story a lot and nowhere does one say that using a god arc litteraly shortens there live. All i got from it is that it is VERY dangerous to be a god eater in general. Maybe in the data logs but i dident read them very thoroughly. But to be fair i can not honestly say if this was sayd in the anime, can you give me a hint?.

8. I am not. AGAIN all i am saying is that we at this point in time dont know. All we know is that they work on aragami/horrors that is all.

I never sayd that fenrir hq is in japan all i sayd was that the main oracle cell research/breakthrough was done in japan. And this is fact.

And Code vein has the possibility of the red mist messing with the people since they already go crazy if they dont get the beads and blood or whatever.
This is at the moment at best your theory. Sure we dont know how far the influance of the mist goes but we do now that silver controls it. And to be honest what would be his reason for doing that. Thinking about this alone is to far fetched for me at this point in time with as little information as we have.
1. Anime has some irregularities to it.
Such as how one character perma dies with Soma in the game but in the anime he sacrifices himself in a different way making Somas backstory completely different.

Even in this day and age there are secondary ways of communication besides telephone lines and Internet reserved for only military use possibly satellite communication etc.

Establishing communication didnt seem to be that hard considering the Main branch of Fenrir is in Northern europe and across europes continent there are branches in Russia, Germany, Italy, himalayas and so on.
On top of that we have the US branch which a transfer god eater came from whom I think I named earlier in this thread.
And the Irish or Scottish branch that Gil came from.

Then we have the satellite bases and possibly more that we arent actually told.

2. This is where I had to note the irregularity.
Old Man Gen was born before Soma and one if not the only survivor of the initial God arc users since he used a Pistol type god arc and they needed to use that to get Aragami cores to get enough bias factor to even start Managarm since standard weaponry quickly fell useless.
So they had to have had the pistol type god arc BEFORE project Managarm to get the cores since normal weapons arent capable of getting the cores out which means they needed a god arc to devour it out.

Either this was an oversight by the devs or just poor translation.

3. Yeah Code vein would need be before the end of God Eater 1 purely because of what happens to the moon.

Fenrir branch was not BARELY hanging on.
Rather Johannes was pressurizing the building of the Aegis and the Fenrir main HQ decided it was a good idea to make and they needed to hurry the production so as to not have Aragami attack it BEFORe it was completed since they needed the anti aragami wall to be perfected as Aragami Adapted.

Dont forget we also have Briar from god Eater 2 which was active during this time and doing whatever it was doing across the continent.

I would argue that yes they would have used resources to find survivors, resources, laboratories, weapons factories etc to secure as much resources and possible future strongholds against the aragami.
It makes sense since you would not just leave Nuclear weapons for instance unguarded and devoured by the Aragami or any other military weaponry they might have hidden which could potentially turn an aragami in to a walking timebomb even more so than that giant Tank thread cruise missile aragami was whose name I cant remember.

If we take the anime in to consideration, the Aragami tend to migrate from place to place like normal animals which makes sense.
This means if the aragami tend to stay in an area for long periods of time, its a possible nest which the God Eaters are sent to destroy to control the amount of Aragami in the area and possible future rampages which could danger people such as the outer Ghetto incident.

4. The BOR parasites possibly dont work against the aragami as we dont see them devouring the core.
Its possible that it just incapacitates the Aragami, forcing the oracle cells in it to release and and start forming again elsewhere since thats what they do.

And even more, it would go against any logical lore set by the God Eater franchise since Aragami grow naturally stronger and gain immunity when spending time in X areas such as areas that are cold, hot, etc.
So eventually there would have been an aragami that can whitstand the BOR.

And IF the BOR protected the Vein people, it would make less sense in the future due to how much of the world is being traveled through, explored and known between 1 and 3.
Taking in to account the evolving Aragami becoming Psions, Ash tempest aragami etc.
Oh and then we have the Nova which can appear here and there and is the main cause for Soma being gone for a long time.

5. Someone at fenrir would have known about the BOR due to the military answering to them and having former military people working for them and estabilishing defence lines at military areas and other key places with intel they need.

6. There is a irregularity in the lore with Soma and the First batch god eaters.
Since they needed the god arcs before to get the bias factor to be able to invest in the Managarm project.

7. In god eater 3 after you complete the main game and do Eins story, he talks at one point about how he has only 6 months or so to live.
In the Anime, where they are talking about Lenkas condition I think after the Outer Ghetto incident where he fell uncouncious that he only has a limited time to live and each time he goes to battle he loses more bias factor.

''In the 8th episode of the anime adaptation, Dr. Sakaki warned Lenka that he would die within a few years (or sooner) because his compatibility is too strong (and the current technology being unable to lower it). If Lenka were to wield his God arc again, he would certainly die.''

I probably used the wrong wording but ye.

8. Agreed that we need more information.
But at this point, it cant be said that its part of God Eaters universe due to too many inconsistencies with how everything works.
They probably shoudent of used Aragami without having proper information collectabilities around.

And yes I enjoy talking about this with a civilized person who wont start insulting others.
Which is why this is fun to see how much one another of us knows about both franchises and you asking questions which leads me to just re-check it and find more collective info if it fits or not.
BlueKando Oct 14, 2019 @ 10:10am 
Originally posted by SleeprunnerInc:
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- It is more likly that these branches managed to hang on communication and all and fenrir japan with god eaters helped them survive in the longer therm.

- I dont know the god eater universe is clearly not on the same gobal communication level as we are since smartphones are not a thing.
I am no communications expert but in my opinion an event like in god eater can severly disrupt sayd communication. You may disagree but i guess nether of us are experts on the field.

- Some minor redcons will likly have to happen it is unavoidable. Since we can agree that code vein is not something they had in mind when god eater 1-2 where out and argueable even god eater 3.
As long as they dicide to make it offcial and confirm it that they are in the same universe. We are not 100% sure.

3.
- In the anime the situation looks desperate. I think about the scene where lenka is asking where are the other god eaters and he sees all the unused god arcs and then he know that they are not enough/dead.

-Sorry but you have a very noble thinking about humanity. There would be just 1 reason to do that and this is to get more god eater candidates.
Even worse the more "normal" people they rescure the more the resources are spread thin. Or the possebility of an revolt.
And since everyone able/surviving trys to get into a fenrir controled location, there is no real need to realy invest resources to do it themselfs.
In the anime they send a whole group away since nobody has the potential to become a god eater, children and all.

-I dont know what outer ghetto event you mean if you mean the one in the begining it was a breach into the fenrir controlled zone/wall. This was not suppost to happen.
All others like the damm where lindow brings the people are not offical.

4. saving grace for the vein people is they eradicated the aragami within the goal of the mist, so the aragami had little to adapt to further.
But it will still be a rough awakening since they evolved as you already pointed out.
We will see how or if this is handled in dlc that will come out. There is already leaked audio with battle lines for fighting aragami/horrors. At this point there is nothing to gain in speculating further.

5. Possible but the location was also going silent. Maybe this was wrote of as failed.

7. I can not say what happend to soma maybe this is not something all god eater have to go through since you know soma is not the typical god eater. I dident play this part. So you may be right on this part but pulling lenka again as an example is rather weak since you already know lenka is a special case.

8. Again since it is extremly unlikly that they thought of code vein from the beginning as they made god eater.
It is natural to have some redcons. So we will see.

Again its ether the same or a parallel on. I guess this depends mostly on how the fans think about it. Since at this point they could still go both ways.
Last edited by BlueKando; Oct 14, 2019 @ 10:13am
SleeprunnerInc Oct 14, 2019 @ 11:31am 
Originally posted by Kando:
Originally posted by SleeprunnerInc:
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1.
- It is more likly that these branches managed to hang on communication and all and fenrir japan with god eaters helped them survive in the longer therm.

- I dont know the god eater universe is clearly not on the same gobal communication level as we are since smartphones are not a thing.
I am no communications expert but in my opinion an event like in god eater can severly disrupt sayd communication. You may disagree but i guess nether of us are experts on the field.

- Some minor redcons will likly have to happen it is unavoidable. Since we can agree that code vein is not something they had in mind when god eater 1-2 where out and argueable even god eater 3.
As long as they dicide to make it offcial and confirm it that they are in the same universe. We are not 100% sure.

3.
- In the anime the situation looks desperate. I think about the scene where lenka is asking where are the other god eaters and he sees all the unused god arcs and then he know that they are not enough/dead.

-Sorry but you have a very noble thinking about humanity. There would be just 1 reason to do that and this is to get more god eater candidates.
Even worse the more "normal" people they rescure the more the resources are spread thin. Or the possebility of an revolt.
And since everyone able/surviving trys to get into a fenrir controled location, there is no real need to realy invest resources to do it themselfs.
In the anime they send a whole group away since nobody has the potential to become a god eater, children and all.

-I dont know what outer ghetto event you mean if you mean the one in the begining it was a breach into the fenrir controlled zone/wall. This was not suppost to happen.
All others like the damm where lindow brings the people are not offical.

4. saving grace for the vein people is they eradicated the aragami within the goal of the mist, so the aragami had little to adapt to further.
But it will still be a rough awakening since they evolved as you already pointed out.
We will see how or if this is handled in dlc that will come out. There is already leaked audio with battle lines for fighting aragami/horrors. At this point there is nothing to gain in speculating further.

5. Possible but the location was also going silent. Maybe this was wrote of as failed.

7. I can not say what happend to soma maybe this is not something all god eater have to go through since you know soma is not the typical god eater. I dident play this part. So you may be right on this part but pulling lenka again as an example is rather weak since you already know lenka is a special case.

8. Again since it is extremly unlikly that they thought of code vein from the beginning as they made god eater.
It is natural to have some redcons. So we will see.

Again its ether the same or a parallel on. I guess this depends mostly on how the fans think about it. Since at this point they could still go both ways.
1. Theres possibly no smartphones because they dont want them to disrupt the governmental and military communications.
We have strong communication capabilities as evident by the operators being able to talk to us nearly anywhere we are out in the field from the Far East Branches HQ.

Retcons will happen 100%.

2. Alot of god arcs are re-used from dead god eaters and other times they are there just to wait for another user or for maintenance.
It is stated however in the database that sometimes a god arc cannot find a host since the bias factor it needs is much stronger or deadlier than the previous owners.

God eater 2 expresses that a god arc might go dormant completely but rarely as happened with Romeos arc.

So it could be that they have extra Arcs for use if the main arc gets wreckt long as the bracelet is fine and the new arc aint touched by someone else.

However that is a VERY risky move since it often times can and will kill you.
Infact theres only a few individuals capable of using another arc than their own.
These are the Main protag of the games, Lenka and Livie.

3. Did you ever play god eater 1 and 2?
The Outer Ghetto is filled with normal people who still do manual labour.
The satellite bases function identically as safe havens for work force and more people to try and birth more god eaters, gather resources etc while being protected by the God Eaters.
So normal people dont just waste resources, they have to work for their stay too.

The Outer Ghetto incident is what i referred to as the biggest reason they needed to fix the Anti Aragami wall which seems like it either failed in the future in God eater 3 OR was breached by human weapons.

4. If they make it so you can just kill the aragami normally, they are really pushing it to an alternative world since it is established that you need the God arc now to kill them.
Anything else wont be able to kill them and even worse will be if they eat one of the Code vein folks.

5. There would most likely have been some information leaked about an incident like that by someone bearing witness to it.
Something like a huge red mist wall absorbing a massive area of New york would not go unnoticed even through satellite imagining.

6. Its not a special case.
The anime if you watch it explains it in more detail.
All God Eaters are basicly on a timer where they will die and turn in to an aragami or be killed before it happens which can only happen through their own god arc to stop them from going insane.

Its even talked about in the Database entries in 1 and 2.

7. Thats poor continuation and trying to retcon a major part of God Eater to fit code vein would literally force them to call it an alternative world.
BlueKando Oct 14, 2019 @ 1:35pm 
Originally posted by SleeprunnerInc:
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1. there is a diffrence if such an event would happen everyone would pull out there smartpfone and anybody that can would start streaming. And in God eater there is nothing.
But anyway nether of us is an expert in communication i think we have to agree to disagree on this at this point.

2. Not the point. The scene in the anime was clearly there to show that the situation was sever.

3. To be honest i tryed god eater 1 i found it clunky and after i found out that the best way to play is to abuse guns and ammo modification i lost interest but i plan to in the future. And after that i wanted to play 2.
3 Suckered me in with its much improved gameplay.
So most of my knowledge is based on the anime, true. But i watched the story (playthrough) of the first god eater game, since i found it interesting.

But lets be real here the anime is a newer source then the first game and it is therefore much more reliable in what is considered "accurate" lore information. Simple for the fact that the point in time the games was made it had a lot more limitations then the anime that came later. For example the blood, you dont need me to tell you that this was most likly left out of the game to get a lower age rating.

4. We dont know what the bor parasite is and how it works. We have little to no information all we know is they work against horrors/aragami.
Just because older games sayd that oracle cells/pias factor/god eaters is the "only" way does not nesseesary make it true. As long as the explaination is believable.

But personaly i find it flawed thinking that aragami where unkillable before anti aragami weapons, if this would have been true humans would have been near extinct in days.
But i can live with extreme hard to kill.
If you need for example a tank cannon or bazoka just to kill/incapacitate one "ordinary" ogretail would still be hard to survive and considered invincable if you think about there beeing already bigger and faster ones out there that would need even more firepower to make it happen. But still give us some chance of surviving this for some time. Until the god eaters are ready.

5. The queen was killing everyone and it is not impossible to think that most survivors that escaped that where outside the wall where killed by horrors. And the lucky few that may managed to survive dident have much reason to seek out fenrir and say to them "hey guys go look there!".

Maybe fenrir had some vague knowledge about what was happening there. But if you consider there where going silent the next moment, it is not unlikly to think this was considered a failure in some way.

There is not much more i can write to convince you that this is at least possible. So lets disagree...

6. The anime and wiki says that this happens if a god eater for some reason loses his armlet or it gets damaged. Not because of becoming a god eater itself. The only god eater i know of where this aragamification is happening "naturaly" is the character episode of soma and even there i dont know the context.

And all the wiki says about lenka is this

In the 8th episode of the anime adaptation, Dr. Sakaki warned Lenka that he would die within a few years (or sooner) because his compatibility is too strong (and the current technology being unable to lower it). If Lenka were to wield his God arc again, he would certainly die. It should be noted that although it was shown at the last episode that his infection/stigma caused by his high compatibility rate had gone up to covering even nearly his whole face and hair, he was shown later with it seemingly in remission and was now down to only his neck area instead. If the game continuity is applied, it is highly possible that his 3-year (or less) lifespan will be disproved or at least increase.

He was shocked by the news that he would die if he would use his god arc again. I would think he would be less shocked if he would know that he will turn into an aragami at some point simple by useing it.

7. I think the god eater world will become even more interesting so i can forgive some redcons as long as its not something major.
And we may disagree on what is considered "major". For example is it realy that importent that there was an american branch mentioned at some point if it is easier to consider all of america "lost" (clever wordplay but this was not by intenion called like the code vein enemys) to make more space for code vains revenants/lost? Me personaly i am fine with that.
Last edited by BlueKando; Oct 14, 2019 @ 1:55pm
SleeprunnerInc Oct 14, 2019 @ 1:55pm 
Originally posted by Kando:
Originally posted by SleeprunnerInc:
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1. there is a diffrence if such an event would happen everyone would pull out there smartpfone and anybody that can would start streaming. And in God eater there is nothing.
But anyway nether of us is an expert in communication i think we have to agree to disagree on this point.

2. Not the point. The scene in the anime was clearly there to show that the situation was sever.

3. To be honest i tryed god eater 1 i found it clunky and after i found out that the best way to play is to abuse guns and ammo modification i lost interest but i plan to in the future. And after that i wanted to play 2.
3 Suckered me in with its much improved gameplay.
So most of my knowledge is based on the anime, true. I watched the story (playthrough) of the story since i liked it.

But lets be real here the anime is a newer source then the first game and it is therefore much more reliable in what is considered "accurate" lore information. Simple for the fact that this point in time the games had a lot more limitations then the anime. For example the blood you dont need me to tell you that this most likly left out of the game to get a lower age rating.

4. We dont know what the bor parasite is and how it works. We have little to no information all we know is thex work against horrors/aragami.
Just because older game sayd that this is the "only" way does not nesseesary make it true.

But personaly i find it flawed thinking that aragami where unkillable before anti aragami weapons, if this would have been true humans would have been near extinct in days.
But i can live with extreme hard to kill.
If you need for example a tank cannon or bazoka just to kill/incapacitate one "ordinary" ogretail would be still near invincable. But still give us some chance of surviving this for some time. Until the god eaters are ready.

5. The queen was killing everyone and it is not impossible to think that most survivors that where outside the wall where killed by horrors and the lucky few dident have much reason to seek out fenrir and say to them "hey guys go look there!".

Maybe fenrir had some vague knowledge about what was happening there but if you consider there where going silent the next moment it is not unlikly to think this was a failure in some way.

There is not much more i can write to convince you that this is at least possible. So lets disagree...

6. The anime and wiki says that this happens if a god eater for some reason loses his armlet or it gets damaged. Not because of becoming a god eater itself. The only god eater i know of where this aragamification is happening "naturaly" is the character episode of soma and even there i dont know the context.

And all the wiki says about lenka is this

In the 8th episode of the anime adaptation, Dr. Sakaki warned Lenka that he would die within a few years (or sooner) because his compatibility is too strong (and the current technology being unable to lower it). If Lenka were to wield his God arc again, he would certainly die. It should be noted that although it was shown at the last episode that his infection/stigma caused by his high compatibility rate had gone up to covering even nearly his whole face and hair, he was shown later with it seemingly in remission and was now down to only his neck area instead. If the game continuity is applied, it is highly possible that his 3-year (or less) lifespan will be disproved or at least increase.

He was shocked by the news that he would die if he would use his god arc again. I would think he would be less shocked if he would know that he will turn into an aragami at some point simple by useing it.

7. I think the god eater world will become even more interesting so i can forgive some redcons as long as its not something major.
And we may disagree on what is considered "major". For example is it realy that importent that there was an american branch mentioned at some point if it is easier to consider all of america "lost" (clever wordplay but this was not by intenion called like the code vein enemys) to make more space for code vains revenants/lost? Me personaly i am fine with that.
1. You know what happens when multiple thousands of people in NY suddenly would start streaming at the same time from their phones?
The services would crash.
Thats why the US has limited bandwith in alot of parts.

2. It can look severe or not.

3. If you want to play 1, just find a melee weapon you like and stick to the devour styles.
I rarely used the gun in it and only had trouble with one of the latter fights.

Every god eater game has a way to spam it and make it super easy.

The anime isnt really the BEST source since it deviates ALOT from what the original content is.
Like how Soma is labeled as a cursed god eater and whatnot because people die when they work with him.

And what does the BLOOD being left out of the game have to do with anything?
The Aragami are oracle cells, not actual flesh and bone bleeding monsters.

4. BOR Parasites (Biological Organ Regenerative Parasites) are engineered parasites and the source of the Revenants. They are implanted into the heart of a human corpse and eventually revive them as Revenants. How long it takes for the human corpse to revive as a revenant differs between individuals, it can even take years in some cases. How the BOR Parasite revives its host is by latching itself to the heart of its host and it begins sending its own blood into the host. This somehow enables the Parasite to regulate and control all of its host's organs, including the brain, from the heart. By maintaining the BOR Parasite's invasion at a certain level the host is able to maintain a perfect sense of self while still allowing the Parasite to perform all of its vital functions.
https://codevein.fandom.com/wiki/BOR_Parasite

Yer welcome.

On top of that, the Revenants are based off vampires.
They turn to dust when properly killed.

Aragami are just oracle cells which vaporize when the core is gone.

Play God eater 1 before talking about how the Aragami are or atleast read a bit about them.
I have to sound very aggressive here because you lack a bit of knowledge here.

The reason they managed to gain Oracle cells out of aragami were because they had to chase off another aragami after it attacked a weaker aragami, then they stole the core and made the first oracle weapons aka pistol god arc for example, and this was done before soma was born.

Aragami were invulnerable to human made weapons till the creation of the Oracle weapons.
It is stated within the database entries that an Aragami if it survives an encounter with any kind of weapon, will start to evolve invulnerability to said weapon.
This is why its vital to kill an aragami as fast as possible using a weapon that changes its bias factor so the aragami cannot grow invulnerability to it.

5. We can agree to disagree.

6. The information of you turning in to an aragami at any point if the armlet is gone or when you reach expiration is explicitly stated when you become a god eater.
They do not withheld that information from you.
This is once again in the database entries in God Eater 1.

The only thing that IS held from people is that the squad leader is tasked with hunting anyone who is turning in to an aragami themselves.

7. It is important to realize that the American branch was well enough to send out god eaters to other branches and receive from them aswell.

The fact that one of them made the trip from the USA to Japan in one piece is a vital information piece telling us how much technology and communication they still hold.

Radio and satellite imagining still work atleast in God eater 1 and 2.
In 3 its severely lessened and held by Gleipnirs hand.

Also I have to say this as a late reminder.
I doubt ANYONE in their right mind would pull out their phone, possibly download a stream labs app or youtube app and setup an account to start streaming when you are being attacked by some monsters.

America isnt LOST in God eater.
By god Eater 3 it might be but this is FAR in to the future.
So unfortunately you cant just ignore it for the sake of making '' a more interesting story ¨¨.
Otherwise we would have people writing characters off or making them this and that gender or sexuality or have this and that relationship with others cause its ''more interesting''.
BlueKando Oct 14, 2019 @ 3:02pm 
Originally posted by SleeprunnerInc:
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1. This is not the point i am trying to make. What i am saying is that there is nothing except some entry left from this major event.

2. From the music the character everything, this scene is meant to look severe. If you urself consider it that or not is not realy importent.

3. So you find how somas curse was handled in the anime worse then in the game. I get that some people are purist and change is not always for the better. But this just does not change much since i bet in the game we never even saw that character die anyway. At best we got a picture.

The blood is a sign/example for the limitations of the time/game. Think about it, would the devs put in blood if they where allowed to? I bet the answer is yes. Is it a change for the better, yes i think so.

4. Smart ass, i know all this already.

We know how a bor parasite resurrects a host. But thats not what i was talking about.
We dont know what exatly they are and how they interact with the horrors. We have no explaination when bias factor/anti aragami weapons where suppost to be the ONLY think that works. All we know is that revenants where able to fight aragami.

Let me be a smart ass like you for ones. They dont turn to dust they turn to haze you know the stuff that we use as currency and to lvl up?

I know there where anti aragami weapons made before god eaters. But the aragami always quickly adapted. So i was questioning the logic of human survival in the god eater lore.
But i know that it is considered fact that they where invulnerable against normal weapons.

5. finaly....

6. I am not 100% convinced until i hear/see it myself. But again i am not so arrogant as to think i am always right.

7. We have to disagree on what is considered major. Especialy if it changes for the better.

O my friend you severly underestimate the stupidity of people, if you think this would not happen if monsters attack us. Not everyone will do it, but there will be more then you think.
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SleeprunnerInc Oct 14, 2019 @ 8:20pm 
Originally posted by Kando:
Originally posted by SleeprunnerInc:
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1. This is not the point i am trying to make. What i am saying is that there is nothing except some entry left from this major event.

2. From the music the character everything, this scene is meant to look severe. If you urself consider it that or not is not realy importent.

3. So you find how somas curse was handled in the anime worse then in the game. I get that some people are purist and change is not always for the better. But this just does not change much since i bet in the game we never even saw that character die anyway. At best we got a picture.

The blood is a sign/example for the limitations of the time/game. Think about it, would the devs put in blood if they where allowed to? I bet the answer is yes. Is it a change for the better, yes i think so.

4. Smart ass, i know all this already.

We know how a bor parasite resurrects a host. But thats not what i was talking about.
We dont know what exatly they are and how they interact with the horrors. We have no explaination when bias factor/anti aragami weapons where suppost to be the ONLY think that works. All we know is that revenants where able to fight aragami.

Let me be a smart ass like you for ones. They dont turn to dust they turn to haze you know the stuff that we use as currency and to lvl up?

I know there where anti aragami weapons made before god eaters. But the aragami always quickly adapted. So i was questioning the logic of human survival in the god eater lore.
But i know that it is considered fact that they where invulnerable against normal weapons.

5. finaly....

6. I am not 100% convinced until i hear/see it myself. But again i am not so arrogant as to think i am always right.

7. We have to disagree on what is considered major. Especialy if it changes for the better.

O my friend you severly underestimate the stupidity of people, if you think this would not happen if monsters attack us. Not everyone will do it, but there will be more then you think.
1. It is relevant.
You cant ignore how infrastructure works and how network overloading works.

2. Context matters.
Lenka only sees what he sees.
We as the person watching know more about it when you research more in to it which is the information gained from database entries.

3. And here I have to tell you to stop.
You could have looked up a SINGLE cutscene from the early game of God Eater 1 and seen what happens.

I will do you a favour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZp2nZ2HqSU

The blood thing is irrelevant to our argument if Code vein takes place in the same world or not.

4. The Bias factor is a mixture of Oracle cells taken from an aragami, made in to the weapons and armlets and something that runs inside us humans naturally.
The Oracle cells in the armlet and God Arc slowly drain our bias factor away so we need new dosages of it as explained in both the games Database entries AND anime, especially during Lenkas cutscene.

And we know what the BOR is.
Its a Parasitical worm.
Check the link out.

We also know how it works on Aragami.
BOR cannot fuse with the Aragami due to Aragamis having no physical HEART.
They have the core which is not a ''heart''.
If BOR were to be used against Aragami, the Oracle cells in the aragami would eat it and evolve the aragami to be invulnerable against it.
This is a MAJOR plot part you cannot argue against which is explained both in anime and database entries IN THE GAMES.

That is how Aragamis function by devouring and evolving.
This is why they dont get sick either nor die naturally.

You can question the logic but you havent played the games nor read the database entries it seems.
You take info from the Wikis which does not house the full information.

5. ''Being an Aragami, the God Arc still has the urge to devour, and when it is in storage it will start to exhibit such behaviour. It is also completely linked to its compatible God Eater; if a God Arc is wielded by a non-compatible God Eater, its Oracle cells will begin to devour them. This is a fact that was, at first, without a single exception.

The Protagonist of God Eater learns this the hard way when fighting off a Vajratail in the Fenrir Far East Branch HQ; they recklessly decide to use Lindow's God Arc. This severely injures them, and renders them temporarily comatose. Later, when they use it again, their left arm shows signs of Aragami corruption similar to Lindow's, and they then dual-wield Lindow's God Arc and their own - a unique feat that has never occurred in the past.

A human who suffers Aragami infection from their God Arc is quite hard to kill once they turn full Aragami. The Oracle Cells mutate to form a structure unique to them, and only them. This renders them invulnerable to all weapons except their own former Arc. This means that the Aragami is generally safe from threat, due to the details above. Only once has such an infection occurred, and it was defeated by a similarly improbable event.''

This refers to Lindows situation.
If you have enough info then you will know what happened.

''If a person is found to be a match, they must comply with Fenrir's demand and become a God Eater. The prospective God Eater is brought to a station and put through aptitude tests; if these are passed, the final stage is to be fused with an armlet- a crucial item needed to control a God Arc. This is an extremely painful and dangerous process, and there is a low- but not miniscule- chance of failing and dying at this crucial stage.

Should a God Eater survive, however, they are bonded with a God Arc, and can commence their duties of hunting and slaying Aragami. Their armlet is now fused to them, and is the crucial link between human and God Arc- it provides regular injections of Bias Factor, an Aragami-derived compound that ensures they won't be eaten by their own weapon. Should the armlet be damaged or removed, this Bias Factor cannot be supplied and the unlucky God Eater will find themselves devoured in a matter of minutes or days; as shown in the cases of Kate Lawry and Lindow Amamiya. ''

I will download God Eater 1 again and post the exact wording for the transformation project in a bit.

6. YOU CANNOT IGNORE A CRUCIAL INFORMATION FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING SOMETHING MORE INTERESTING.

Hell you cannot ignore ANYTHING just told to you because it is major and VITAL to the plot of God Eater.

This is information ESTABLISHED IN THE GAMES AND EVEN ANIME.

If you ignore this and Code Vein comes in conflict with said information then that further proves Code Vein DOES NOT TAKE PLACE WITHIN GOD EATER BUT IN AN ALTERNATIVE WORLD.

This is the final nail in the coffin.

EDIT: Here are the database entries for the infection.

Aragami infection 1: When too much Bias Factor is present in a human body, the body's cells mutate in to Oracle Cells and the human will transform into an Aragami.
These unfortunate souls lose their humanity, becoming creatures ruled only by insatiable hunger.
As Bias Factor doses are strictly controlled, this is a rare occurrence.
Since medical treatment at this stage is impossible, unit captains are under orders to eliminate any God Eaters with an aragami infection and to suppress this very information.

Aragami infection 2:
The following has been revealed about Aragami structure.
By Being unable to obtain the P53 Bias Factor, a God Eater will begin losing control over the Oracle Cells within their body.
Oracle Cells that are free of this control will begin infecting the human body, and eventually mutate all cells into Oracle cells.
No Cure has been found as of yet for humans who have begun Aragami-transformation.

Aragami infection 3:
Oracle Cells that have multiplied within human body cells to go through various mutations.
Stopping these Oracle Cells with a normal Arc is extremely difficult.
The only Arc that can kill the Aragami-transformed God Eater is his own because it carries an Artificial CNS that has the ability to stop that certain Oracle Cell.
However, because the God Arc can only be wielded by the God Eater in question, the idea of using the weapon itself is contradictory.

Here is a bonus entry on what an Aragami or rather Oracle cells are.

''Cells which think and devour'' - Discovered when Aragami first appeared, and known to be their very makeup. Their existence is recognized the world over, and their quantity is thought to beimmeasurable.
Each cell is a complete lifeform, similar in that sense to single-cell lifeforms.
They have no DNA in their genes, and are therefore structurally different than humans, based on DNA and carbon.
With a cellular wall of unique organs whose sole function is ''devouring'', they can posses and devour anything.

Emphasis on ANYTHING.

Database entry Devouring:
The term used to describe Oracle Cell infection.
Also used to describe the process of an Oracle Cell gradually eating away at an organism's cells from within.
Oracle Cells tend to inherit traits of the cell it devoured, resulting in many organisms transforming into Aragami while they are still alive.

And what is a God Eater full off?
Thats right, The P53 Bias factor which if you dont receive a dosage off, you slowly turn in to oracle cells.

Ever wondered why you cant just keep fighting forever in the games?
Its even explained in the anime that they cant keep fighting for long times without a break and re-dosaging themselves.

Also Fenrir started in NORTHERN EUROPE.
The development of god arcs was worldwide.

Fenrir database entry:
Operates under the motto ''Protecting humanity. Revitalizing Science,'' when in fact it leads the world.
Fenrir possesses gGod arcs and Oracle technology that allow it to effectively control society,
Began as a modest biotech and biochemistry business specializing in grains.
Now at the forefront of Oracle technology following the Aragami outbreak.
Based in former Northern Europe, it has branches worldwide.

Database entry P53 Bias Factor:
Bias Factor adjusted for living bodies, which is injected by God eaters in order to protect themselves from being devoured by their own God arcs.
Also servers as a catalyst when controlling the god arc through one's armlet.
Injected intravenously from the armlet at regular intervals.
As going without these injections for an extended period of time could lead to a God Eater being devoured by his own God Arc, they are much like a lifeline.

This in itself explains what I told you that God eaters can only survive for an X amount of time.

EDIT 2: The anime also only covers about 20% of the entire first half of God eater 1.
Thats right.
God eater 1, not RESURRECTION.
Resurrection is the compilation of all the God eater 1 games and stories.
It also takes many liberties much like what Lindow is doing on his free time.

EDIT 3: Let me be an even bigger nerd to your CODE VEIN knowledge.
''After a revenant has dispersed they will regenerate over time in perfect physical health. however it is not uncommon for revenants to suffer memory loss after regenerating from a dispersal. The only way to truly kill a revenant is to pierce one's heart where the BOR Parasite is housed. Should this happen the cellular bonds throughout the host revenant will dissolve and they will turn to ash. This is the only way to truly kill a revenant.''

Apparently you dont know ANYTHING about Code vein either.
Last edited by SleeprunnerInc; Oct 14, 2019 @ 9:18pm
BlueKando Oct 15, 2019 @ 4:12am 
Originally posted by SleeprunnerInc:

1. Realy dont care anymore.

2. The anime has no database entrys. But you may have a point since as you pointed out this is from lenkas perspective and he wasnt doing much when he was going out there.

3. Better then i expected but i prefare the way it is done in the anime.

4. I know everything there is to know about aragami. I may have not played through god eater 1-2 but i watched a playthrough of the story (resurrection), watched the anime several times and read the wiki throughly (so i have a good overview what happens in the 2th). Also played the 3th god eater a few time from start to finish of the main story and read the entrys at least ones. And i am close to my 4th playthrough of code vein and i watched all vestiges at least ones.

So last attempt at making it clear what i am trying to tell you. Explain to me how revenants could fight aragami to make them extinct within the goal of the mist and at least shortly before the wall came up in the surrounding area.

Is the bor parasite maybe some typ of early aragami? We dont know and this could explain a lot. I dont want to theorise but this is information we dont have.

5. And here is the only entry that matters. And even here i learn nothing new. Such a waste of time.

Aragami infection 1: When too much Bias Factor is present in a human body, the body's cells mutate in to Oracle Cells and the human will transform into an Aragami.
These unfortunate souls lose their humanity, becoming creatures ruled only by insatiable hunger.
As Bias Factor doses are strictly controlled, this is a rare occurrence.
Since medical treatment at this stage is impossible, unit captains are under orders to eliminate any God Eaters with an aragami infection and to suppress this very information.

I know that a god eater can become an aragami that was never the point. But you made it a fact like this will always happen, with every god eater useing there god arc, no matter what happens. This would have been new to me.
But this entry confirms it, that this is infact is not so. It is a rare occurrence.

6. What is major and vital about there being a american branch before except there being on dude/minor character from there?

But anyway to stop here, we dont know if this will happen anyway. amercia is big. And even if it makes the goal of the mist more likly to be found before. It is still not impossible not to be the case.

7. O buddy chill. It was late and i am getting annoyed at the fact that you are not getting my point and telling me thinks i know already like i dont know nothing about god eater/code vein or you are just flanting knowledge for the sake of it.
Last edited by BlueKando; Oct 15, 2019 @ 6:37am
Garret Masterson Oct 15, 2019 @ 5:00am 
@Kando

It's pointless to debate with SleeprunnerInc. Some people just loves being contrarian. Just be glad that there's a lot of people that share the same views as yours (that includes me) that god eater and code vein are in the same universe.

Anyway we'll see in the coming DLCs and sequel (if there's one) if it's in the same universe or not. Then you can come back here and say "I told you so." :lunar2019grinningpig:
BlueKando Oct 15, 2019 @ 6:59am 
Originally posted by Garret Masterson:
@Kando

It's pointless to debate with SleeprunnerInc. Some people just loves being contrarian. Just be glad that there's a lot of people that share the same views as yours (that includes me) that god eater and code vein are in the same universe.

Anyway we'll see in the coming DLCs and sequel (if there's one) if it's in the same universe or not. Then you can come back here and say "I told you so." :lunar2019grinningpig:

yea i guess you are right.
SleeprunnerInc Oct 15, 2019 @ 9:30am 
Originally posted by Kando:
Originally posted by SleeprunnerInc:

1. Realy dont care anymore.

2. The anime has no database entrys. But you may have a point since as you pointed out this is from lenkas perspective and he wasnt doing much when he was going out there.

3. Better then i expected but i prefare the way it is done in the anime.

4. I know everything there is to know about aragami. I may have not played through god eater 1-2 but i watched a playthrough of the story (resurrection), watched the anime several times and read the wiki throughly (so i have a good overview what happens in the 2th). Also played the 3th god eater a few time from start to finish of the main story and read the entrys at least ones. And i am close to my 4th playthrough of code vein and i watched all vestiges at least ones.

So last attempt at making it clear what i am trying to tell you. Explain to me how revenants could fight aragami to make them extinct within the goal of the mist and at least shortly before the wall came up in the surrounding area.

Is the bor parasite maybe some typ of early aragami? We dont know and this could explain a lot. I dont want to theorise but this is information we dont have.

5. And here is the only entry that matters. And even here i learn nothing new. Such a waste of time.

Aragami infection 1: When too much Bias Factor is present in a human body, the body's cells mutate in to Oracle Cells and the human will transform into an Aragami.
These unfortunate souls lose their humanity, becoming creatures ruled only by insatiable hunger.
As Bias Factor doses are strictly controlled, this is a rare occurrence.
Since medical treatment at this stage is impossible, unit captains are under orders to eliminate any God Eaters with an aragami infection and to suppress this very information.

I know that a god eater can become an aragami that was never the point. But you made it a fact like this will always happen, with every god eater useing there god arc, no matter what happens. This would have been new to me.
But this entry confirms it, that this is infact is not so. It is a rare occurrence.

6. What is major and vital about there being a american branch before except there being on dude/minor character from there?

But anyway to stop here, we dont know if this will happen anyway. amercia is big. And even if it makes the goal of the mist more likly to be found before. It is still not impossible not to be the case.

7. O buddy chill. It was late and i am getting annoyed at the fact that you are not getting my point and telling me thinks i know already like i dont know nothing about god eater/code vein or you are just flanting knowledge for the sake of it.
1. suit yourself.

2. True, it is mostly from his perspective.

3. The anime does it a different way since it would be ''poor'' storytelling to just have him die as a throwaway character without contributing to the story PLUS he dies in the outer Ghetto incident in the anime while in the Game he dies on a mission with soma.

4. The Revenants most likely didnt fight off the aragami because its an ALTERNATIVE WORLD in which the ''Horrors'' could function differently.
Because as stated in the lore of God Eater, an Aragami cannot die unless you destroy the core and for this you need the god arcs or another aragami.
Its never established IF the horrors that we see which is a Dyaus pita, functions identical and is made the same way as in God eater.
It can look the exact same but function differently to fit Code vein, which would make it once again an alternative world.

BOR is not an early type of aragami.
It functions completely different from how Aragamis function.

BOR resurrects DEAD things to life as cannibals and basicly turns people who die over and over again insane.
And we know the BOR is a Parasitical WORM.

Aragami do not function this way.

5. It is fact that no matter what a god eater WILL inevitably turn in to an aragami.
That is, if they aint killed before that.

Ever wondered why you dont see many old grandpas and why there are Arc Abhorrents?

6. The Major and Vital point is that the American branch exists and survives atleast till the end of God Eater 2.
There are major skirmishes, satellite bases and whatnot setup all around america.
At some point they most likely got wiped out since we dont hear anything about them in God Eater 3.

Ein might know more but untill we possibly get more story for GE3 we wont really know what happened to Lindow etc.

7. If its getting late, you dont have to post.
Go to sleep, let it mull over, read it over again refreshed or ignore it.
You obviously DONT want to hear facts from the God eater Lore since you DELIBERATELY told me you would rather ignore the fact that America has a working Fenrir branch in it and that there are satellite imagining tech being used to scan the whole world just so you would have a more interesting story and to make Code vein fit which it doesnt.

SleeprunnerInc Oct 15, 2019 @ 9:32am 
Originally posted by Garret Masterson:
@Kando

It's pointless to debate with SleeprunnerInc. Some people just loves being contrarian. Just be glad that there's a lot of people that share the same views as yours (that includes me) that god eater and code vein are in the same universe.

Anyway we'll see in the coming DLCs and sequel (if there's one) if it's in the same universe or not. Then you can come back here and say "I told you so." :lunar2019grinningpig:
You have 4 hours in God Eater Resurrection.
Barely 3 in God eater 2.

If you cannot be bothered to play through the games, get the database entries and read them then thats on you.

You are missing VITAL information from the 2 games before 3.
The WIKI is missing vital information due to most likely wanting to keep the Database entries ingame.
BlueKando Oct 15, 2019 @ 11:12am 
Originally posted by SleeprunnerInc:
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This is my last response since i am tired argueing with you

4. If you want your world unchanging and stiff you do you man. If you dont want other typs of aragami or dont even want to hear of the possibility of on. Or even dont want code vein to be in the same universe. Again you do you.

Fact is we dont know if it is a parallel world or not until we get a clear answer.

5. If you can not read/understand the entry you yourself posted i have nothing left to say to you.

6. First you build them up as you want (just to strengthen your point) and then from one game to the next there is nothing, maybe there wasnt much there in the first place? Forget it...

7. Yes i am clearly on the side that wants them being connected. But i would never go out of my way and be so stubborn just to support my argument to "win" a diskussion on the internet.

You say there are so many sailite bases and communication centers it is impossible to not find code veins location and and i am giving you enough reasons to make it at least a possibility.

Just being open minded enough of letting it open for a possibility of something else working against aragami.
SO if datalog entrys are an universel truth like aragami can only be killed by god arcs removing its core.
Or maybe for example other typs of aragami that are diffrent from the rest. I mean hey shio and fym are fine they are still enough aragami for you?

Code vein will never take place in god eater, you win, gratulations. Do you want a sticker?

I have no problem with changing some lore as long as it is respectfull to the old. Thats the diffrence between an honest fan and a purist the annoying kind.

Luckily the devs think diffrent. It depends more on what the majority of fans think. If not they would not have made the connections so obvious in the first place.

Have a nice day.
Last edited by BlueKando; Oct 15, 2019 @ 11:26am
SleeprunnerInc Oct 15, 2019 @ 12:12pm 
Originally posted by Kando:
Originally posted by SleeprunnerInc:
...

This is my last response since i am tired argueing with you

4. If you want your world unchanging and stiff you do you man. If you dont want other typs of aragami or dont even want to hear of the possibility of on. Or even dont want code vein to be in the same universe. Again you do you.

Fact is we dont know if it is a parallel world or not until we get a clear answer.

5. If you can not read/understand the entry you yourself posted i have nothing left to say to you.

6. First you build them up as you want (just to strengthen your point) and then from one game to the next there is nothing, maybe there wasnt much there in the first place? Forget it...

7. Yes i am clearly on the side that wants them being connected. But i would never go out of my way and be so stubborn just to support my argument to "win" a diskussion on the internet.

You say there are so many sailite bases and communication centers it is impossible to not find code veins location and and i am giving you enough reasons to make it at least a possibility.

Just being open minded enough of letting it open for a possibility of something else working against aragami.
SO if datalog entrys are an universel truth like aragami can only be killed by god arcs removing its core.
Or maybe for example other typs of aragami that are diffrent from the rest. I mean hey shio and fym are fine they are still enough aragami for you?

Code vein will never take place in god eater, you win, gratulations. Do you want a sticker?

I have no problem with changing some lore as long as it is respectfull to the old. Thats the diffrence between an honest fan and a purist the annoying kind.

Luckily the devs think diffrent. It depends more on what the majority of fans think. If not they would not have made the connections so obvious in the first place.

Have a nice day.
1. I go by the lore.
We do not make it.

It is there and we abide by it.

2. You are the one who cannot understand it.
You claim to have watched a whole playthrough YET you didnt even know the part where a certain character died.

You didnt even know of the need for more bias factor either.
This just leads me to believe you claimed stuff you did not actually watch nor play.

3. I did not build them up as I want.
It is literally stated in God eater 1 through 2 that satellite bases were being constantly set up, the branches working independently making this a reality.
But then again you NEVER played the games nor read the database entries so you woudent know.

4. It is stated literally WITHIN THE LORE THAT IT WONT WORK.
Read the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ database entries....

Install the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ games and play through them.

Shio and Phym are humanoid aragamis.
They are STILL aragamis.
They only took on the form of a human.

The devs made REFERENCES which the fanbase took out of context.
A PRE ORDER DLC WEAPON Does not EQUAL TO LORE which many of Code vein players tried to do.
alrik1119 Oct 15, 2019 @ 12:57pm 
Code Vein is as awesome as God Eater 3!
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