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It has to be an alternative world or a homage.
There was no time to develop the BOR or anything when teh Aragami first appeared.
If you have played all god eaters you would know this from reading all the files that you get.
On top of that, it would have been mentioned at ANY point in the games if it was canon to God Eater.
There is no mention of that cerberus company and on top of that, God Eater 3 pretty much confirms its not canon.
At some point within the many years a Roaming ash crawler would have spotted or found them surely.
Heck, even before that Fenrir HQ and everyone working with them plus the Blood unit would have found the Code Vein folks at some point yet they never did.
So just because Code Vein has an Aragami in it doesnt mean its the same exact universe nor takes place with the God Eater franchise.
Its a Monster hunter situation.
Add in this: If any of the BOR parasites would have ended with an Aragami, it would have been INSTANT game over for all humans and the Code vein folks.
Literally that fact in itself already debunks it.
FFXIV also have this type but never break the story into multiple parts which is why is much easier to understand. MHW basically has no story which Toukiden bypass this even though they are not story related much for each game. Also speak about Fate franchise which also into the same direction but they smartly enough to avoid story conflicts like this. Won’t recommend to just rolling out ideas a broken JRPG story, even SAO, Fairy Tails nonsense power still don’t doing things like this.
One question, does revenant have blood? If no why do they need it... and why you kill children what for, the experiments don’t tell much about how they do things but the whole central government cover with lake of blood. Seeing Successor like Karen use her power to create blood and the main character also have one the ability to convert Bloodspring. Kinda illogical sense to me
Also adding that the developers take the ideas of vampires that sucking ppl blood and giving them a disease which later turn human into vampire things. That’s obviously an add to how human become vampires. If you take directly vampires blood, higher chance you gonna die instead of becoming a vampire
Code vein world is just a small part of the whole Apocalypse World. If you don’t count the anime or the side story where there is a injured Aragami with unknown reasons appearing in GER. That’s how they have a hope to fight against the Aragami since it didn’t regenerate into the earth and reborn.
The mask that revenants wearing isn’t for only using Drain but also protect them from smell, cause pretty much the Blood Veil is what making the Drain work, not the mask. BOR parasites is a man-made technology. It has the ability to regeneration (revenant blood) because human can’t survive but they can’t inject them into there blood. It’s a bit funny but Aragami still breathing like other animals which its afraid of the smell. (Remember how Aragami found Alisa in her family story in GER). It’s just no meaning for guarding outside the Red Mist if the “Horrors” never come into the Mist. Animal instincts are always the case and revenants aren’t aware of this except those guarding at the armed Mist. If the Red Mist killed Horrors. They have made it into weapons. It’s basically distracting the Horrors so ppl can have time to find a way to deal with the Lost first.
Injured aragami in God Eater Resurrection or Rage burst?
Even googling around revealed none of that.
If you mean in the past when the aragami first appeared, it was due to the man made weapons being able to still damage the aragami back then but the aragami who were injured but managed to flee, evolved to resist man made weapons.
This led to Paylor and Johannes to work on the BIAS factors and oracle cells to develop anti aragami weapons.
There were no other ways to combat the Aragami threat.
No mention of the BOR or any other like it in the whole God Eater franchise.
If you want you can try placing code vein in the timeline somewhere and I will explain simply why it cant exist there.
Remember, Aragami evolve constantly and become invulnerable to the elements they are in.
That already debunks the Red mist in its entirety.
The Red mist would have leaked in to the ground which causes the Aragami to appear in the first place which means some aragami would have formed that would last longer in the Red mist and if these aragami got devoured by Roaming aragami around the area where the msit is, they would become immune to it.
So the only point in time the Code vein would work is before god eater 1 and that would already mean they had more information available to them and the capabilites of knowing if the BOR would have ever existed in the God eater world which it doesnt.
It is an alternative world and even the people behind Code Vein said it is its own thing.
The only reason theres bugarally and the Dyaus Pita is due to God Eater workers working on code vein and paying homage to it.
On top of that the BOR is not a HUMAN MADE THING.
It was a parasite found after the collapse when dead animals came to life and turned cannibal.
It is also stated they used the BOR as a last ditch desperate resort to try and fight the horrors.
This would mean the First generation of god eaters would have seen them in God Eater and thats not the case.
In God Eater the research labs and everywhere else were secured by the First God Eaters who used normal weaponries with oracle bullets.
After that came the Old Types/First gen god arc users.
Second gen are the ones who can use a mix weapon that is, Gun/melee/shield combo instead of just Gun/shield Melee/shield.
Then came the third gen which are the Blood unit who can use the Blood Power gained through the Resonance and evoke that the Captain has (Julius too).
The same thing that happened to Lenka in the anime which is poorly explained.
What Lenka had was the Blood Rage which made him change his appearance and grant him more power.
On top of that Lenka died a shortwhile after the anime canonically due to his oracle cells deteriorating much faster than anyone elses.
Heck it is even presumed your character in the first game died.
Others presume he/she is the Kigurumi character.
- GE1 and 2 action is located in Asia
- GE3 action is located in Europe
And Code Veinis look like is located in America.
As you know, the communication aren't in good shape. and travel is kinda "hard".
So, it would'nt be suprising that the information never reached the characters of the GE.
GE1 takes places in the far east branch.
GE3 takes places across Europe and Asia.
On top of that during GE1 and 2 you had perfect communication with all the other branches.
Remember that Gilbert came from the Glasgow branch.
So theres once again no reason to not know about Code Vein.
What do you base it off that Code Vein is in America btw?
Oh and lets not forget about Cradle.
The Traveling group that Lindow is part of that goes across the world.
A character called Brendan Bardell is also from North America.
At this point its just a matter of, if this is the same or if this is some kind of parallel universe.
''The minds behind the setting of Code Vein have revealed that the game is a standalone title, it does share some minor, yet interesting similarities with God Eater. During a cutscene before the''
https://segmentnext.com/2019/10/11/code-vein-and-god-eater-are-in-same-universe/
Its ment to be a standalone title completely in an alternative world.
Bugarally and the Dyaus pita are just references to the God Eater franchise due to the people who are working on code vein being the same as God Eater.
And since God Eater was a really successfull franchise, they decided to flagship it to code vein in terms of the God Arc pre-order bonus or whatever.
This is just a random artical that talks about the same thing as we are. That is also wrong about the most likely time line (end of code vein would be before the end of god eater 1 =No terraformed moon.).
There is NO official conformation that they are not in the same universe.
All the devs sayd in a previous interview before the release was litteraly that they want code vein to be its own thing.
But you have to consider the context in that code vein is a souls like game and god eater is more a monster hunter like.
And the style/world while sharing a lot is still very unique in code vein. So i guess they succeeded.
The information they have about the whole world, all the military documents and so on would be known and someone would have leaked the BOR out and suggested to compile the Aragami Cores with the BOR to create some kind of weapon.
Even without that, they would have known about different weapons and something of that magnitude being tried on the aragami.
So unfortunately logic wise and just literally timeline wise, it is not in the same world but a parallel/alternative world.
The litteral apokalyps was happening and communication between states came to a stand still in comparison to todays standart. Since everyone everywhere had to fight for there own survival.
The bor parasite use was a desperation move. And with the following isolation it is not to far fetched to think this knowledge was more or less localy and destroyed.
So there IS an explaination, we will see.
Update: in an other thread i give a timeline and go into more detail about some common missconceptions. I will copy this here for convenience.
Update 2:
This and the fact that Fenrir was the one who started the oracle cells development to weaponries meant they had information of every single laboratory, military base etc because without them they would be left defenseless.
This ment that the BOR parasite would have been known due to people being stationed there with anti aragami weapons.
Considering the Oracle cells ARE the aragami and the oracle cells didnt appear AFTER the apocalypse, this would put Code vein at a different time too.
2. Soma was not the catalyst for god eaters.
God eaters is the collective term for all god arc users.
Soma was the Managarm project of trying to make a human weapon to fight the aragami instead of making standard weapons and trying to find a suitable bias factor that fits the god arcs from a dwindling list of people.
3. The terraforming of the Moon would put Code Vein before the end of God Eater 1 which leaves a huge amount of time when they would be discovered exactly because of how Fenrir and the God eaters in general work.
Any anomaly detected by the people no matter where would have been known and we also have satellite imaging still available in God Eater 1 which means a giant red mist city would have been spotted quite easily as they would have scanned all major metropolitan areas, cities, towns, etc for people and nests of aragami.
4. And thats where you are wrong.
Oracle cells were found the moment the apocalypse hit in the form of the aragami.
That means the BOR and Oracle cells are a separate thing 100% and the BOR would not have been able to damage them due to how the Oracle cells devoured EVERYTHING.
5. If Code Vein is New York then it makes even less sense that they werent found out or atleast known by survivors and the infro spread to Fenrir and the associates.
Check number 2.
6. Considering your timeline of when the Queen project failed, Paylor and Johannes would have known about said project as Managarm is basicly the same project as the Queen project.
Both involve using a foreign parasite/collection of cells to make a humanized weapon that could be controlled and evolve over time.
7. God eaters existed before Soma since everytime a God Arc user is fighting on the field, their life literally shortens as was established through the story of God Eater.
This means older users who are out of commission such as Tsubaki and Gen Momota (Who is btw the only survivor of the FIRST BATCH, not first gen of god eaters) would have been fighting before Somas birth for years, most likely during the whole apocalypse.
I dont know if Gen is the only survivor in Japans first batch of god eaters or if its actually referring to the whole world but considering he was a PISTOL type god arc user which quickly became useless its pretty much confirmed he was there since the beginning rendering the BOR useless in God Eaters timeline.
However, it is never stated that the red mist doesnt cause psychedelic visions etc I believe that render people to see the horrors as the aragami.
So its possible the Aragami are just the red mists will of wanting you to see them as it wants instead of the actual horrors.
Otherwise it would have been called an Aragami already due to the names meaning.
EDIT: I went through and downloaded God Eater 1 again.
The Database entries pretty much confirm that the oracle cells ARE the aragami and they appeared hand in hand.
However there is a contradiction in the game regarding God arc developments.
The god arcs existed before Somas P73 Bias factor birth and the P50(something. Already forgot which one numerically) bias factor that is implemented in the armlets to use god arcs.
Either it was an oversight or an accident but mayhap the God Arc meaning is only ment for the big weapons that require the armlet but that would make no sense again since you cant change god arcs just like that without being a new type and old man Gen is a PISTOL god arc user which was made BEFORE Somas birth and he has an armlet which means the Pistol needed it which doesnt make sense if the armlets only exist due to Soma.
Wow you are wrong on almost every point, i hope you are not trolling.... .
Since you have only halve knowledge i would recommend watching the god eater anime there the whole time line gets more or less explained.
1. The apocalyps made everyone everwhere fight since aragami burst from the ground and are more or less numberless and almost invincable.
- The Oracle cells where found more or less shortly before the apocalypse happend.
- It is logical that first experiments with anti aragami weapons where mostly/only used in japan and not shiped around with all the chaos happening and if then in smaller numbers, since they proved to become ineffective after some use anyway. It is likly that some communication happend between branches and they where able to make there own. But this would not be nearly enough.
- Fenrir is a globel organisation true but the god eater research and at this point everything nessesary for it was located in japan.
-At the time of the apocalypse the normal military was still in charge. What pushed fenrir to domination where the god eaters.
-Since you know the litteral apocalype is happening and everyone is fighting for survival not every instance of fenrir is in 24/7 contact with everyone on the earth.
-I would be a moral boost to know that there where some locations that could fight of the aragami but they would not be nesseesarly able to reproduce it. We only know that they discovered bor parasites but not where how or in what quantity. And since this project had is own problems (lost and frenzied queen) and this was going silent after more or less a short time this could have been easly written of as failed.
2. You understand what the word catalyst means right?
- Soma was the reason modern god eaters exist since every bias factor used since his birth originates from him. It was the fastest and "easiest" way to adapt orcale cells to a human host and with it bias factors.
3. Humanity and with it god eaters are barly holding on, every day another branch of fenrir goes silent since god eaters are not infinity and they are fighting against overwhelming odds.
Just because we are the heroes does not mean a lot of the already limited quantity of god eaters are not dieing.
-What this means is fenrir is in charge true, but it is not like they have the time and/or resources to rediscover everything, especialy if it looks to them like a giant death strom.
4. Some people are speculation that bor parasites and orcale cells are the same thing or are related since they work on aragami. All i was saying that at this point in time we dont now. Nothing more nothing less.
I am just trying to compile the facts, trying to fit the caps with as minimal speculation as possible.
4. I already gave enough logical reason why this is not nesseesary true.
5. Same as 4.
6.Same again. Also Schicksal etc. are normal researchers desperatly trying to make oracle cells work to fight aragami. At this point in time it would be not nesseesary for them to know of any other unrelated discovery to there own research. Since you know, something might go wrong (queensproject).
7. I will write it here again. You are wrong. Soma is the reason modern god eaters exist. Only through his project/birth where they able to adapt orcale cells to normal humans via his bias factor, this is fact.
Everything else is just speculation.
And i dont know where you have your information about god eaters loseing there live (except for being killed) while using there god arc.
This is true for the main character in the anime (Lenka). I dont know anymore if this is the same in the game.
But that this is a general truth about all god eaters would be new to me. You would have to provide some hard prove.
Here you are just speculating. Something i am trying to do as little as possible. Especialy something so"big".
Also the plans for a god arc where there before the birth of soma, true. But without a bias factor it would eat/attack the wielder.
The oracle cells are the main organism that compile the Aragami and the main part is the CORE.
Anti Aragami weapons were developed around the globe.
For instance the Polearm weapons are mainly made in northern europe. Source: God eater Resurrection Database entry Polearm.
God Eater research was a world wide thing.
Not just Japan.
I dont know where you are getting your info from considering I have played through all the God Eater games AND watched the show plus read the novels.
Anti Aragami weapons were being developed around the globe, Fenrir just was the main big entity that started developing more advanced, sophisticated weapons.
Remember that Fenrirs start came from research in to Grains.
Since the Literal apocalypse is happening around the globe COMMUNICATION IS VITAL to survival and information gathering.
They would be in contact 24/7 no matter what to try and fix the situation.
This is what any modern military and governmental entity does during any sort of situation.
2. Soma was made for the sole reason of developing a human that could not be devoured.
Source: Once again database entry for soma and Managarm in God Eater resurrection.
Not all Bias factors come from his birth.
The P52 or P73 bias factors were used before him.
This is evident by old man GEN being part of the first batch of god eaters and using a Pistol type god arc which required said bias factors to use.
3. While each day more and more branches go down, more and more satellite bases go up and people try and make new types of weapons such as the anti aragami wall, God Arc soldiers and even Odin.
Fenrir especially is in charge of discovering more and more of the world and finding out if people are still alive and where they are and establishing dominance over key weapons deposits and warehouses to supply resources for humanity.
This means scrounging even the normal cities as there are laboratories, factories, weapons stores etc.
4. Not the same thing.
It is established that BOR resurrects dead things in a cannibalistic state and dont have a central CORE.
However Oracle cells are multi organisms that form a collective conciousness and create monsters that devour and shape their form based on what they eat and where they are.
This is even more evident that the BOR could be used just like that on humans and Oracle cells would have just destroyed the human completely and human type aragamis were not common till AFTER God eater resurrection and 2.
5. It would 100% be mandatory for them to know of the other researches and base it off them so they do not repeat failed attempts and mistakes of the other projects.
6. Soma is not the reason modern god eaters exist.
The Captain of the Blood unit for example was a complete unique specimen and so are the God eaters of 3.
The bias factors were easy to apply to people even before he was born.
Literally the proof lies in that the first batch of god eaters was made BEFORE HIM and used God arcs which had the same bias factors already.
Soma was only there to develop a new type of God eater that could not be devoured by Aragami.
And this again has another proof to it which would be Lindow who managed to revert back to being a human and control his Bias factor.
7. Literally in the anime and god Eater 3 it is stated that each god eater has a expiration date depending on how much they fight and push their bias factors in battle.
Lenka just was unfortunate to have an even faster degradation time.
Ein aka Soma from 3 states in his story that he only has about 6 months left untill he turns.
8. The reason I am saying this is because you are speculating yourself quite massively about the BOR and Oracle cells being one and the same which they aint.
And Code vein has the possibility of the red mist messing with the people since they already go crazy if they dont get the beads and blood or whatever.
I can literally install all the god eater games and pull up the database entries like that.
Which I had to do for the correct numbering of the Bias Factors, the reason for Managarm, The polearm and Old Man Gen.
Oh and here is a VERY INTERESTING FACT for you.
The MAIN Fenrir HQ is in NORTHERN EUROPE.
Not Japan.
Play God eater 3 since you have it and install the older ones to read the database entries.
O i so enjoy a diskussion with someone at least as nerdy as me, no sarcasm. But you are wrong again. :)
1. Oracle cells where discoverd before, watch the anime there at least this is the case.
- it sounds logical to branch of production if communication is stable.
- You should know that what is the best think to do (as much communication as possible) and what is archivable (massive destruction of communication centers and internet lines by the thorn of judgment for example) are not the the same thing.
It is logical to think that an entire continent can go silent with a reasonable high chance. Sure this is speculation but far fetched it is not.
Sure restablishing communication is one priority but we dont know how far this was possible.
2. I am readying the wiki now. Just what makes you think that the "first batch" was before soma since litteraly this entry from ingame confirms what i was saying.
No need to investigate deeper. But hey its not like god eater could have no plot holes. So we have to consider canon.
3. We are diskussing the likly time line/connection for code vein and god eater. And i was saying as of this moment it is mostly likly a prequel that ends before the end of god eater 1.
So we have to disregard a lot of information and things that happen in later games.
So in god eater 1 fenrir was barly hanging on and desperatly tryed to finish the aegis project going even so far as to taking other god eaters from other branches to help in the effort. That the whole thing was not what most people belived (a save haven from aragami) we are not talking about.
Can you honestly say that fenrir at this time would have gone out of there way to find survivors or other technologie (bor parasites) that may or may not work/exist in helping this project? Let me answer for you, no.
With the same reasoning as you i could ask you why they dident go for odin if this was such a well know super weapon?
There where no ashlands at this time as far as i know. And we dont know how the world outside the goal of the mist looks like maybe there the aragami concentration is abnormal high in some way (like many strong aragami). This would at least explain the random deus pita.
It is not logical to think that with the world as it is that fenrir plays the good samaritan and tryes to establish as much communication as possible and rediscovers the world. They have already god eaters and they work more or less fine. They have no reason to hunt after a myth.
4. You can speculate all you want. If you go with your theory (something i am trying not to do) this may work. But at the moment we have to go with the fact that bor parasites work on aragami, this is fact at the moment. Or the very least this is how it is presented to us.
5. Again we dont know how much communication was possible. Or if the research is even related to one another. All we know is that they researched on very diffrent projects.
Just because they have the same end goal does not 100% mean that they have to know about it. Again the best way of doing it is not the same as it is generaly done.
6. Thats not how the lore is established.
7. I played god eater 3s story a lot and nowhere does one say that using a god arc litteraly shortens there live. All i got from it is that it is VERY dangerous to be a god eater in general. Maybe in the data logs but i dident read them very thoroughly. But to be fair i can not honestly say if this was sayd in the anime, can you give me a hint?.
8. I am not. AGAIN all i am saying is that we at this point in time dont know. All we know is that they work on aragami/horrors that is all.
I never sayd that fenrir hq is in japan all i sayd was that the main oracle cell research/breakthrough was done in japan. And this is fact.
This is at the moment at best your theory. Sure we dont know how far the influance of the mist goes but we do now that silver controls it. And to be honest what would be his reason for doing that. Thinking about this alone is to far fetched for me at this point in time with as little information as we have.
Update: 7. Sorry forgot about the soma part. I dont know i didnet play this part. I am not so arrogant as to think i am always right. But maybe this is not a general thing but something unique to soma since he is not the typical god eater? But for now i guess you are right.