Can no longer use my PHYSICAL COPY of Borderlands at all, the game cannot be installed from disk anymore thanks to DRM that the transfer tool was the only workaround for.

[darthokkata]

They not only shut physical copy owners out in the cold, but also took away our ability to install and play the game at all with absolutely no warning.

Thanks to the Securom nonsense, you can no longer install and play the game from a disk at all. The verification from Gearbox and 2K doesn't work anymore, and the only workaround was the Steam transfer tool.

So, they've effectively taken my game away from me by disabling the tool. This is true of both the GOTY edition and the original edition. I have both, one of which I bought at launch, and the other I bought later to get all the DLC in one package.

I was feeling a bit annoyed that I was missing out on the enhanced edition because I couldn't transfer it to Steam. However, I figured I'd just play the regular edition again, so I can run through my copies of Borderlands 2 and the Pre-sequel afterwards with the new upgrades. I figured that might cool my irritation and maybe I'd just get over it and move on once Borderlands 2 VR and Borderlands 3 release.

Now I've discovered that I can't install and play either of them and the disks are effectively useless for anything but drink coasters. This is completely unacceptable and there is no excuse for it.

All because I never found out about an obscure tool that was never publicized and released on the down low who knows how long ago.

Now I can't play Borderlands unless I buy it a third time, and that's absolutely not happening.

Nor am I buying Borderlands 2 VR, or Borderlands 3 for that matter if something isn't done about this soon. I was planning on purchasing both, but that's not happening if my legitimate copy of a game I bought twice is taken away from me this way.

I was even willing to jump over to the Epic Store and grab Borderlands 3 so I wouldn't have to wait six months.

There is no excusing or justifying this. Enhanced edition or not, I should be able to install and play my legitimate physical copy of the game if nothing else. Even if it's only single player, this isn't some MMO where the server is gone so the game doesn't work. The company hasn't gone under so that excuse doesn't fly either.

Give me back my game 2K and Gearbox, there is no world where taking away my ability to install and play my legitimate physical copy is okay.

[darthokkata]

Originally posted by Loli-Nox-Tan:

Originally posted by darthokkata:

Did you read my post? It doesn't seem like it.

The game will not install at all. Securom has nothing to do with mulitplayer.

There are not enough copies that will be bought that way to make a significant impact. It's a non issue for the sales of the enhanced edition.

A significant number of people these days don't even have a disk drive on their PCs anymore.

Also, anyone who buys a used GOTY edition is an idiot, as the key for the DLC content won't work as it has already been redeemed. That's why they started doing that in the first place, to kill the used games market.

Releasing an "enhanced edition" of a game is not an excuse to take away the ability to use a legitimate copy of a game with absolutely no warning, and that's exactly what has happened.

You're also weirdly defensive about this corporation that doesn't care about you. I mean, seriously, do you expect them to thank you for being their cheerleader?

They've taken away the ability for people who own legitimate copies of the game to install and play it away from them. Effectively stealing their games from them without warning.

There is no way you can spin that to not being an awful way to treat consumers.

You are complaining about an issue that is years old at this point. You're the one who didn't take advantage of the upgrade method over these last 4 year. Not everyone is out to get you

Main point: ♥♥♥♥ happens

That's not a legitimate excuse for any of what I posted. Fanboy harder, maybe 2K will give you a trophy or something.

[d0g]

This is an honest and fair complaint for a change. I would find some contact info on the Gearbox website and write them a message. They aren't reading here. Please be proactive and send them a picture of your hard copy and a message and don't just let them step on you even if it is just a "cheap" old game now. Don't swear and go off the wall at them, explain to them exactly what you just said here calmly. They'll want to at least know you didn't just pull a hard copy out of the garbage or buy it for $2 on ebay before they even consider you, because if they just hand it out then for sure everybody will suddenly have a hard copy and a complaint.

Give them the opportunity to make it right.. IF they don't then post the results here and I'll be annoyed right next to you. They owe you a working copy of Borderlands period.

I'm a hardcopy owner too. I did use the transfer tool but that still annoys me because I keep retro PCs around my house with no internet for fun, another hard copy that might as well go in the garbage bin next to half-life 2.

[LoliNoxTan]

Originally posted by darthokkata:

Originally posted by Loli-Nox-Tan:

You are complaining about an issue that is years old at this point. You're the one who didn't take advantage of the upgrade method over these last 4 year. Not everyone is out to get you

Main point: ♥♥♥♥ happens

That's not a legitimate excuse for any of what I posted. Fanboy harder, maybe 2K will give you a trophy or something.

Fanboy or just stating the facts? Not my fault if you want to ignore them

& the last 2K game I bought (Not in a Humble Bundle) was Evolve. Screams fanboy that does

[d0g]

Physical copies of a game shouldn't break as it is period. This is why we were so angry about DRM in the 00s. It's insane to blame the hard copy owners for not using the granting tool, especially since many of them haven't even played Borderlands for nearly a decade now.

It's not their fault they didn't use the stupid granting tool, don't be ridiculous.The game should at least still work as a single player experience, this is 2k and that disgusting securom still rearing its head and causing people anger a decade later.

[Panda-Bishop]

Originally posted by Loli-Nox-Tan:

Originally posted by Bishop:

You misread that. SecuROM is a disc checking DRM, it has nothing to do with online functionality. What you may be referring to is how MP doesn't work because GameSpy went down.

Did you read the PCGamingWiki? I said from what I can see as there's no info on the page.
I can play my copy of Crysis without needing SecuROM
Download the cracked exe

No, what you said is "From what I can see it's only the MP that SecuROM effected", thus indicating you got that information from the page you linked, which I pointed out is not what the page actually says.

That aside, there's absolutely no mystery on what SecuROM is, it's never had a multiplayer DRM functionality, it is strictly a disc checking DRM. To clarify, it's not a "please insert disc to play" type of disc check, it's "insert disc to install and I'll freak out if I see an active disc emulator on your system" kind of disc check, that's why you don't need the disc in to play after installing.

I'm just pointing out a simple factual inaccuracy in your statement, that's not criticism of your or your argument, it's just so you know what arguments to pursue and what not to waste your time with.

[LoliNoxTan]

Originally posted by Beginner Guy:

Originally posted by Loli-Nox-Tan:

Yes, losing access to video games is the true injustice of the world. Just download a crack

You seem to vest a great deal of interest and time on coming into this thread to repeat yourself. It's important to them. You're not the only person in creation.

LIES! My mummy told me the world revolves around me.

The thing I'm repeating is the solution. Complaining (Here) is not gonna change anything

[Justwondering]

They should at least send you a free code, might be worth posting some proof of owing the physical edition, by taking a single photo of the game box, disc and putting a piece of paper in the same photo with your steam user name and today's date...

That way no one can say your just looking for a free code, remove the trolls before they come out from underneath their bridges.

[d0g]

Downloading a crack is the solution for you, not for them clearly. So you continue your solipsistic view. My advice is the solution, go e-mail gearbox and 2k. If they don't like what they get in reply, don't buy anymore games from them. You're not helping anything here besides your ego.

Anyhow, goodnight everyone.

[LoliNoxTan]

Originally posted by Beginner Guy:

Downloading a crack is the solution for you, not for them clearly. So you continue your solipsistic view. My advice is the solution, go e-mail gearbox and 2k. If they don't like what they get in reply, don't buy anymore games from them. You're not helping anything here besides your ego.

Anyhow, goodnight everyone.

That doesn't help you play your copy of Borderlands. If you want to play your copy of Borderlands then just download a cracked Exe.

By all means, never buy an other 2K game again if you want

[BlackRayPlayer]

Originally posted by darthokkata:

physical copy owners

You only own the Disc, Case, and Art Cover. The 'Software' which you wish to run is licensed to you to be 'Emulated' on a PC, which they change at anytime (even if it is unfair to the consumer). The same goes for everyone with a Playstation 4 Blu-Ray Disc, XBOX One Blu-Ray Disc, or Nintendo Cartridge. Because people have supported first-party updates, things such as what you have described, where you're shunned from a playing a game, is considered an update to the license agreement that you're forced to abide by.

Originally posted by darthokkata:

I was even willing to jump over to the Epic Store and grab Borderlands 3 so I wouldn't have to wait six months.

You have useless Discs, assuming you have Borderlands 2 on Steam and it's Pre-Sequel (Which can be taken away at anytime), and you really want to go to the Epic Game Store? Be-it-as-may, I wouldn't rush over to an unpolished clusterf*** of a store that hands out your information, to other countries like China, or even other customers (whether it be intentional or accidental).

I look at it as either buying an Android or Apple. Honestly, I hate both equally. I wish they would publish more games over to GOG.

[Lord of the Infinite Clouds]

This is why there is no such thing as "DRM done right." Yes, ye olde disc-in-drive requirements were essentially DRM but at least it was something you couldn't have revoked as long as you at hardware and software (OS) that was compatible.

Consoles have been a source of 'streamlining' (or dumbing down if you prefer) of games and some crappy PC ports but PC gaming has led the way (primarily through Steam) in the digital distribution revolution that now infects and plagues consoles, as well.

When it comes to ownership and preservation even console 'complete editions' are worthless as many of them have DLCs included as codes, rather than on disc. With the new discless XBOX One and Google's plans to pull gaming to full on Streaming we can all expect many of the games in the next 10 years to not be preservable.

Fortunately, I have a huge backlog of games dating back a few decades and others that give me pleasure to replay over and over that I can resign modern gaming without mourn.

Originally posted by BlackRayPlayer:

I look at it as either buying an Android or Apple. Honestly, I hate both equally. I wish they would publish more games over to GOG.

Amen. I literally will not buy any game that isn't published on GOG anymore. Looking forward to Cyberpunk 2077 but besides that, if I can get a disc-based PS4 game that I know will work in the future without patches and updates I will get that version over the usually superior PC release. Once consoles fully do away with physical copies or where they are just one time use keys like Steam "physical copies" I'll stop buying them as well.

You may still like Steam, but the reality is that games here are RENTALS. Valve is not publicly traded -- who knows what will happen in the future. What is clear is that if Steam ever shut down all your games would NOT magically be 'made available' to you. Not sure where this myth started but that is all that it is. Steam still sells games with store pages that specifically state "Not Optimized for Windows 7 or later" and yet I can no longer access these games on my sweet pimped out retro XP rig as of January. They didn't make offline installers for these games available and they never will.

[d0g]

Originally posted by Loli-Nox-Tan:

Originally posted by Beginner Guy:

Downloading a crack is the solution for you, not for them clearly. So you continue your solipsistic view. My advice is the solution, go e-mail gearbox and 2k. If they don't like what they get in reply, don't buy anymore games from them. You're not helping anything here besides your ego.

Anyhow, goodnight everyone.

That doesn't help you play your copy of Borderlands. If you want to play your copy of Borderlands then just download a cracked Exe.

By all means, never buy an other 2K game again if you want

Take a nap buddy, it's going to be ok.

[LoliNoxTan]

Originally posted by Beginner Guy:

Originally posted by Loli-Nox-Tan:

That doesn't help you play your copy of Borderlands. If you want to play your copy of Borderlands then just download a cracked Exe.

By all means, never buy an other 2K game again if you want

Take a nap buddy, it's going to be ok.

Na. Currently watching stuff on CW. Just checking here during the ad breaks

Oh & that was a weak reply

[d0g]

You're an unusual one, I'll give you that.

As I said before, goodnight, over and out.

[LoliNoxTan]

Originally posted by Beginner Guy:

You're an unusual one, I'll give you that.

As I said before, goodnight, over and out.

Night. To anyone else reading this after the fact. Just download the Exe crack & move on. Save your energy doing something the actually matters