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The original BL1 is still the best.
Yup, you know it is. Don't even try and say it isn't.
Last edited by [MOSS]-BurningUp; May 12, 2017 @ 4:25pm
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Raviente May 20, 2017 @ 3:55pm 
Originally posted by MOSS-BurningUp:
If you play as a purist it's harder imo...no trading, or taking items from other players or anything. The gear on my lvl 32 Hunter is crap to be honest I can't kill stuff in Old Haven that fast yet
All of my runs are pure and solo. Hunter is in fact another easy class I've played as Bloodwing can one-shot anything and it simply roams the area seeking out any enemies nearby.
Last edited by Raviente; May 20, 2017 @ 3:55pm
Deletota May 20, 2017 @ 8:52pm 
tbh i never felt trapped in bl1, but there were some really hard moments in bl2
maybe that's just me, but i always thought bl1 is more balanced and generally a little easier
Gilbert Guldlock May 22, 2017 @ 11:17am 
I can't relly tell because I'm not buying a sequel to a game that promises an at least somewhat intrigueing setting and clearily bears traces of such an ambition until some point but drops the dialogue after the beginning part and ends with a huge trolling because they couldn't be arsed to make a proper ending.

I still hope for a remake with the original art style and a dark gritty atmosphere and the epic story they obviusly had in mind.

Originally posted by Cereberus Shepard:
Originally posted by Gothalian:
yes it is you. me and about 7 friends just got the game a few days ago and we are level 19 and have no problems so far
I play solo...which is part of the reason i got the damn game sinc its SP it should be playable SP and NOT require assistance...i grew up in the 90's with games that where meant to be hard and NEVER had this issue on any game its a bad design choice that literally FORCES you to have help...and frankly i do not WANT a bunch of teenagers/childish adults on MY games
I was born in the 80's and had no problem with Lost cave. Sure, it was a bit of a challange, but not broken. That said, the random element of the game can in some instances for some players make some areas much harder. You might just have had bad luck. Get out of the cave, loot some skag piles, fist some weak enemies. And when you return to the cave all loot crates are reset, ready for your greedy fingers. Remember this game has RPG elements, and in such games you need to backtrack, often a lot.
[MOSS]-BurningUp May 22, 2017 @ 11:22am 
I love Lost Cave I make a new guy sometimes just to run that quest and a few others.
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JtDarth May 22, 2017 @ 11:14pm 
I never found any section of borderlands 1 particularly difficult. If someone is having issues with lost cave, they are clearly doing something very wrong. I've played pretty much completely solo, and the only reason you should have issues in lost cave is if you are using old gear. Which is again, the player's problem, not the game's.
OttosTheName May 23, 2017 @ 6:41am 
Hells yes. Weapon proficiencies just made so much sense and you get SMG's and Rifles you actually want to use. Actually I like every weapon class in BL1, none seem underpowered except maybe Repeaters. Rifles are absolute garbage in BL2, SMG's have insanely slow bullet travel, so being a gunner in BL2 is pretty much out of the question. Not sure why anybody would do that in any shooter ever.

BL2 changed literally everything that made BL1 such a brilliant shooter.

(I did think on every playthrough that the Lost Case is a little unbalanced. It's very doable, but I generally have to go back and get more ammo unlike in any other place (as I can generate my own) I sometimes die there too. I think it just comes at 1 of 2 points in the game where you don't get enough xp from missions to do all missions back to back so you just have to do 10 minutes of xp grinding. I also think the level recommendation could have been 1 or 2 higher.)

Originally posted by MOSS-BurningUp:
If you play as a purist it's harder imo...no trading, or taking items from other players or anything. The gear on my lvl 32 Hunter is crap to be honest I can't kill stuff in Old Haven that fast yet

I would say the opposite. I was spending buttloads of keys in BL2 just to be able to get through PT1, while in BL1 PT1 is a breeze. Just because of the insanely crappy drops in BL2. But then I play with rifles and smg's and those weapon classes were nerfed to hell.
Last edited by OttosTheName; May 23, 2017 @ 6:47am
Originally posted by Cereberus Shepard:
Originally posted by Gothalian:
yes it is you. me and about 7 friends just got the game a few days ago and we are level 19 and have no problems so far
I play solo...which is part of the reason i got the damn game sinc its SP it should be playable SP and NOT require assistance...i grew up in the 90's with games that where meant to be hard and NEVER had this issue on any game its a bad design choice that literally FORCES you to have help...and frankly i do not WANT a bunch of teenagers/childish adults on MY games
bruh with an attitude like that you always playin with at least 1 childish adult...

@OP: Borderlands 2's Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode is *significantly* tougher than anything in BL1, except maybe trying to solo Moxxi's arenas. Playing straight found, I find PT1 BL1 to be laughably easy, and though I find PT1 of BL2 to also be laughably easy straight found (even easier with transferred gear), it's definitely tougher than 1. PT2 is when BL2 really takes over in difficulty, imo. I love BL1, but it's definitely not the best of the franchise. Compared to BL2, it has better scaling and loot variance, by which I mean even blues are good at high levels if you're built right. It also offers something unique to it - specialization, where you can just use one weapon type consistently and easily. Ammo issues prevent that in the later series. Borderlands 2 has better story and characters, as well as skill trees. There's much more diversity in what you can do and how you can allocate points at the cap, unlike BL1 where basically every skill tree is the same. The gunplay feels better too, since manufacturers actually make a big difference in how the gun works, rather than the comparably miniscule variations in 1. TPS is actually, imo, the best Borderlands gameplay-wise, because it brings the elements of Borderlands 1 that were better than its sequel and plants them firmly in with most of the improvements of 2 (i.e. being able to move in last stand oh my god). Not as good of a story (I'd have preferred a BL1 story, it was actually pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥' bad), and I wanted to murder like 25% of the characters, but it felt good.
JtDarth May 26, 2017 @ 11:16pm 
Originally posted by Terminal Desolation:
Originally posted by Cereberus Shepard:
I play solo...which is part of the reason i got the damn game sinc its SP it should be playable SP and NOT require assistance...i grew up in the 90's with games that where meant to be hard and NEVER had this issue on any game its a bad design choice that literally FORCES you to have help...and frankly i do not WANT a bunch of teenagers/childish adults on MY games
bruh with an attitude like that you always playin with at least 1 childish adult...

@OP: Borderlands 2's Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode is *significantly* tougher than anything in BL1, except maybe trying to solo Moxxi's arenas. Playing straight found, I find PT1 BL1 to be laughably easy, and though I find PT1 of BL2 to also be laughably easy straight found (even easier with transferred gear), it's definitely tougher than 1. PT2 is when BL2 really takes over in difficulty, imo. I love BL1, but it's definitely not the best of the franchise. Compared to BL2, it has better scaling and loot variance, by which I mean even blues are good at high levels if you're built right. It also offers something unique to it - specialization, where you can just use one weapon type consistently and easily. Ammo issues prevent that in the later series. Borderlands 2 has better story and characters, as well as skill trees. There's much more diversity in what you can do and how you can allocate points at the cap, unlike BL1 where basically every skill tree is the same. The gunplay feels better too, since manufacturers actually make a big difference in how the gun works, rather than the comparably miniscule variations in 1. TPS is actually, imo, the best Borderlands gameplay-wise, because it brings the elements of Borderlands 1 that were better than its sequel and plants them firmly in with most of the improvements of 2 (i.e. being able to move in last stand oh my god). Not as good of a story (I'd have preferred a BL1 story, it was actually pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥' bad), and I wanted to murder like 25% of the characters, but it felt good.
I had to lol at your statements, sorry.
The reason borderlands 2 is 'more difficult' (and the reason the moxxi arena comparison is a good one) is because borderlands 2 enemies are extremely spongy, especially at higher levels, unless you are built in very specific way or abuse the hell out of slag.

Your claim that every skill tree in BL1 is the same is also laughable. Each character has 2 specializing trees and then a relatively generic tree.
Taking lilith as an example, you have the daze tree, the elemental tree, and then you have the generic improvements tree that has a slight melee theme to it.
Brick has a melee tree, a explosives tree, and a general improvement tree focused on survivability increases.
Roland has generic soldier tree, ammo regen/turret tree, and medic tree.
Mordecai has sniper tree, pistol tree, and bloodwing tree.
All of the characters in BL1 play rather differently depending on which tree you specialize in, except for lilith, due to phasewalk being broken op.

The gunplay in BL2 is far inferior thanks to weapons feeling very fake and the manufacturer differences are major downsides. I also found iron sights to be way off on most the guns in BL2. Torgue, in particular, got the shaft by being forced to make only weapons that fire gyrojets. They also made it so maliwan are the only ones with elemental non-uniques for whatever stupid reason.
They also made SMGs almost completely inferior to rifles, and made automatic weapons as a whole less powerful.
Enemies feel pretty similar through PT1 at least, but BL2 has more diversity and throws more raw numbers of enemies at you, too. There's a lot more verticality in its levels, so you get attacked from a lot more angles and positions. You have to actually build proper characters at high levels, you don't just get to pick every half-decent skill in your entire skill tree, basically. Enemies aren't spongey if you're built right (ESPECIALLY not in PT1), they just don't let you get by with level 50 gear at level 69, and they force you to actually think about how to build your character best.

I didn't phrase my complaint about character skills quite well enough, I suppose. At level 69, you basically have 1 build for every character, skill point wise. There's only minor variations because you can basically max out every useful skill. I've played every character (except Brick because I dislike his specializations). There's nowhere near the depth present in BL2 or TPS, because there's nowhere near as many skill options. Each tree in 2 is carries at least 4 more skills than its predecessor, with there being a lot more unique options in the skills. Every character in BL1 plays more or less the same unless you decide to specialize them in, say, Pistols (as my Mordy). Even then, they're basically building the same way as every other level 69 whatever class, because the skills are either a.) good or b.) trash, and you have enough points to max out all the good ones.

"weapons feeling very fake" well that's just like, your opinion dude, but personally I never found any of the weapons in Borderlands to feel very "real." Double Anarchy, fire spittin' magnums, exploding snipers... I've also literally never understood this comment, seems so stupidly opinionated that it's hard to even define what you mean, hence why you just put some vague bull down and hope it passes. Iron sights seemed to work pretty much fine for me, and I couldn't hipfire everything nearly as easily. How are guns actually being different a bad thing? Please explain. I can't see why diversifying the guns based on manufacturer would be bad.

I don't think you actually played Borderlands 2 based on some of the stuff you're saying here... Torgue guns are bad? Torgue shotguns are some of the only viable non-legendary gear at max levels. I friggin love Torgue guns. Maliwan is the only one with elemental tech on generic guns? This is where I stopped believing you've even played game... I can go out and mob for 30 seconds and find at least two. You clearly never found an E-Tech, either, the significantly more awesome version of the Eridian guns. SMGs as inferior to rifles? SMGs have better RoF, accuracy, and typically DPS, especially factoring in elemental effects (which SMGs also do significantly better than ARs). Assault Rifles are like the worst class of weapon in BL2, they're basically the Repeater Pistols of BL2. Remember those? The entire category of weapons that was outshined in every way, shape, and form by both ARs and SMGs? Not every weapon really a good choice in 1, either.

If you're gonna talk about BL2, you should try putting more than 6 hours into it. Maybe then you'd know some of this basic information, since I doubt you got much beyond Captain Flynt on PT1. A lot of your assertions are flat-out wrong, and if you'd actually made progress and played the game, you'd know that too.
Last edited by Terminal Desolation; May 27, 2017 @ 4:34pm
Gø0see Jun 1, 2017 @ 2:32pm 
Originally posted by Cereberus Shepard:
Originally posted by Gothalian:
yes it is you. me and about 7 friends just got the game a few days ago and we are level 19 and have no problems so far
I play solo...which is part of the reason i got the damn game sinc its SP it should be playable SP and NOT require assistance...i grew up in the 90's with games that where meant to be hard and NEVER had this issue on any game its a bad design choice that literally FORCES you to have help...and frankly i do not WANT a bunch of teenagers/childish adults on MY games

I know this was said a bit ago but I just wanted to reply to this. I have never been stuck in Borderlands 1. I only play single player as well. I have played through the game with each character on both playthroughs, doing all missions and DLC's. I do the missions in order of how I get them. Like, I always do all the side missions I recieve before doing the main quest. I have never had difficulty in playing this. In fact, due to me doing side missions all the time made the game seem too easy. I don't understand how you can be stuck unless you are under-leveled.
Last edited by Gø0see; Jun 1, 2017 @ 2:33pm
LJay24 Jun 1, 2017 @ 2:55pm 
I really enjoyed BL1, but I've never played any of the other games. The reasons I enjoyed it was that there were many sidequests to complete. I know some people hate doing them, but I'm a completionist with games. It's an addiction for me lol. The story is amazing, the bosses, and replying to the ones before, the only reason the lost cave or whatever it was called was hard, is because I had to complete a few more side missions before I went in there. It all depends on your weapons, accuracy, dedication, etc. I also do the same as the comment before this, about doing the side missions before doing the main quest. I personally enjoy side quests and playing as different characters.
Burning! Jun 1, 2017 @ 3:32pm 
I prefer Borderlands 2 and the Pre Sequel but Borderlands 1 is still a great game
LJay24 Jun 1, 2017 @ 3:34pm 
Originally posted by plain hummus:
I prefer Borderlands 2 and the Pre Sequel but Borderlands 1 is still a great game
Is the pre-sequel and 2 worth getting? I don't know if i'd be wasting money since I never played it.
siikdude Jun 1, 2017 @ 4:28pm 
Originally posted by Tolls:
Originally posted by plain hummus:
I prefer Borderlands 2 and the Pre Sequel but Borderlands 1 is still a great game
Is the pre-sequel and 2 worth getting? I don't know if i'd be wasting money since I never played it.
dude borderlands 2 is like on a whole other level.

It is considered the best borderlands in the series
JtDarth Jun 1, 2017 @ 4:51pm 
Originally posted by dean xvii.:
Originally posted by Tolls:
Is the pre-sequel and 2 worth getting? I don't know if i'd be wasting money since I never played it.
dude borderlands 2 is like on a whole other level.

It is considered the best borderlands in the series
That's your opinion. Mine is that BL2 is completely inferior, mechanically speaking.
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