Unlimited nukes?

[imminence]

In a very late game of CIV5 +G&K I am in war with Rome. I am rich, I have a giant army and i can affored to simply buy units in towns near the enmy.

So far, so good. On the other side, Rome is not weak at all. They started nuking a city of mine, which was protected by a shelter, but nervertheless, the dmg to the surroundings was awful.

Because I have a limited amount of uranium, just enough to power my best cities with nuclear plants and build some "Killer Bots", I thought "...right, how many might you have?".

But although the supply of Rome was even smaller than mine, they keep nuking my cities every round.

Ok, certainly it would stop, when I conquer the cities, but that is not my question.

Rather I'd like to know, WHY the hell so they have seemingly an unlimited amount of nukes?

Just another AI-cheat?

[Octavia]

Nukes, just like other units that require Strategic Resources, will give your empire that resource back once said unit is gone. In a similar fashion, Factories or Hydro Plants will continue to function even if you lose access to your Coal or Aluminum(Although they will still be 'consumed').

Essentially, every time you nuke someone, you get one Uranium back, instead of it being consumed on use; if your Giant Death Robot got destroyed, you'd get that Uranium back and be able to build another. The AI does not have unlimited resources or Nukes, it's just the basic 'rules' of Strategic Resources that allow an infinite amount of potential units, and just a limited current supply of them.

[Siddha]

the AI doesnt cheat afaik...it gets bonuses for difficulty level...not the same thing

[imminence]

Nevertheless, the fact that these attacks (with a bomber!) are unstoppable is beyond my comprehension.

[Ryika]

Originally posted by imminence:

Nevertheless, the fact that these attacks (with a bomber!) are unstoppable is beyond my comprehension.

Yes, nukes are stupid. You could try to ban them in the world congress, or use a mod that disables them alltogether.

[imminence]

I'll check the workshop for the mod. Thx ! :)

[Siddha]

It does sound like you are complaining that the AI is beating you?
Most people would think that was a good thing.
Maybe scale back your difficulty level for a bit.
On the issue of nukes...I dont like them in the game.
...or in real life.

[imminence]

Interesting, that you think this way.
But the contrary is the case:
As I wrote above, I am leading in every aspect and started the war out of boredom, because the AI did not dare to oppose me, whatever provocations I commited.

I personally never used nukes since CIV 1 and was not aware of the silly "you can't defend against..."-rule in CIV 5.

When it sounded like "the AI is beating me..." then I expressed something in a wrong way.

All my concern was about the topic: "Unlimited nukes".

[Matthew]

If fighting a war for funsies, just carry on. Late-game city building goes extremely quick, and you can boost up a damaged city very quickly. Send a couple of internal trade routes, rush purchase some of the more important buildings, and back up top no problem.

Unless it is one of your 40+ population core cities... that would suck :(

Been a long time since I had to deal with nukes, but I do believe the rules are the same: AI will always target cities, not units, and always cities on their border they are attacking from. So you can technically plan ahead by keeping a "buffer city" between your real empire and the enemy, which should keep your cores safe.

[Siddha]

There is no rule that you cannot defend against nukes...or against any other weapon. You just have to know how...afaik bomb shelter reduces damage by 75%; needs telecommunications.

[Twelvefield]

The nuke is a terror weapon. You collect them to force other nations to bend to your will. If the other guys build nukes, you need to build even more.

In a videogame, though, there is no true terror. If you really cared for your people, you'd never shut your game down. You'd let them live in your CPU, like out of "Tron".

If every nuke you took wiped out some part of your computer, you'd take nukes a little more seriously. If fallout from the game poisoned your music collection, you'd be much more careful about engaging in nuclear war. If every nuke detonated sent the contents of your Internet porn files to your mom, you'd be first in line at the World Congress to ban WMD's.

[imminence]

Well, these nukes did not really "hurt" me... I had enough money to buy immediately the shelter and other important buildings in new conquered cities.

I repeat: It's the game mechanics I complain about.

Let's say, I take all the cities from the enemy except some small ones with 2 or 3 people in them. If the enemy is clever enough to withdraw his bomb from cities which are about to be lost, he can literally nuke until he is completely wiped out. And that's in my eyes ridiculous.

IMO the nuke should consume the unranium and not give it back after use. Thus, the player and the AI would "think" about wasting a strategic ressource.

I've seen the AI spamming nukes over each other as if it was a cheap, common weapon.

[di eshor ribly]

The best defense against nukes is not the bomb shelter, it is more nukes. If you see the AI stacking up nuclear weapons in a city, nuke that city. It destroys their nukes and irradiates the resources (possibly uranium) around the city.

Definitely showing off my warmonger side here, I'll admit, but it's better than sitting back and hoping they don't lob one of those things at you.

[Random Face]

I <3 Nukes!!!!

[Eviltoaster]

Use fighters or AA to intercept them, or pillage the uranium

[hopsblues]

i ski, and i think we could all agree on plutonium free powder!