What wonders can you reliably get on Deity?

[LSD]

Can't stand wasting time building wonders and losing them to the AI on Deity. I know Petra, Library, Parthenon (who knows why...), and Lighthouse are no-goes on 7.

So what can i get on 8? The usual things, like Halicarnassus, Zeus, Gardens, and that ranged bonus/10% growth bonus wonder are all out of my league on Deity (when on 7 they're pretty easy to grab).

So far, it just seems like Pyramids is the only one the AI won't touch. Don't really want to pick Liberty, either.

Is Oracle a safe bet? And does it require bee-lining, or can i grab, say, mining/pastures or something before going for it?

Oh, and any policy tips are welcome.
Not a fan of Liberty, but it seems like the worker improvement speed could be a boon, since it'll get resources online faster -- plus it'd give me Pyramids...but that's only if Pyramids is a reliable choice...

[Jimmy McGill]

Petras definetly no no-go on Immortal, and still worth trying to get on deity. And yeah, Oracle is a safe bet especially since you'll be going for Philosphy for NC anyway, though you don't need to beeline it more than usual. Pyramids are also a pretty safe bet, and so may be other policy wonders if the AI don't choose them(I sometimes build a turn 250 Zeus because no one else did).

[Vinyl Scratch]

You should never expect to get ANY wonders on Diety until the Industrial Era and Beyond.

But the ones you have the best chances of getting also depending on what the AI is doing....obviously, but I'll explain a bit....

First thing you should do, is look to see which policy trees they took.
If no one went Tradition, then Hanging Gardens can (usually) be gotten without competition. While it's possible the AI only took the Policy Opener...which doesn't show up on Diplomacy Overview, it's actually quite rare to see it happen without them spending at least a few points into it.

For Terrain Wonders (Petra, Machu Pichu), check around the AI cities and see if they even CAN build it.

Other than that...the Oracle is probably the only general wonder you have a chance at on Deity, but even that's a very large stretch. You should never waste production time going under the assumption you'll complete it. Only build it if it's still available and you have nothing better to make.

Originally posted by LSD:

Oh, and any policy tips are welcome.
Not a fan of Liberty, but it seems like the worker improvement speed could be a boon, since it'll get resources online faster -- plus it'd give me Pyramids...but that's only if Pyramids is a reliable choice...

Tradition is A LOT stronger than any other tree. Liberty can work, but Tradition is the always safe bet, because it's always good.
it saves you production time by building Culture Buildings for you (I usually try to make sure I have at least 2 monuments built so I get 2 free Amphitheaters) and 4 Free Aquaducts.
It also gives you a much better early (and even late) game Happiness and Gold boost through Monarchy

Liberty is alright, and better for quick expansion...but you should never expect to play wide early on Deity until late game...when you're taking Cities. The AI take too much land, and hate you for doing it, too much to be worth it early. As for the Worker boost...you can just steal a worker or two from an Unprotected City-State with very little penalty (minor warmonger penalty, but that goes away quick). And building your own worker isn't as big of a deal as it might seem in the early game.

[Tapak]

Originally posted by Vinyl Scratch:

You should never expect to get ANY wonders on Diety until the Industrial Era and Beyond.

But the ones you have the best chances of getting also depending on what the AI is doing....obviously, but I'll explain a bit....

First thing you should do, is look to see which policy trees they took.
If no one went Tradition, then Hanging Gardens can (usually) be gotten without competition. While it's possible the AI only took the Policy Opener...which doesn't show up on Diplomacy Overview, it's actually quite rare to see it happen without them spending at least a few points into it.

For Terrain Wonders (Petra, Machu Pichu), check around the AI cities and see if they even CAN build it.

Other than that...the Oracle is probably the only general wonder you have a chance at on Deity, but even that's a very large stretch. You should never waste production time going under the assumption you'll complete it. Only build it if it's still available and you have nothing better to make.

Originally posted by LSD:

Oh, and any policy tips are welcome.
Not a fan of Liberty, but it seems like the worker improvement speed could be a boon, since it'll get resources online faster -- plus it'd give me Pyramids...but that's only if Pyramids is a reliable choice...

Tradition is A LOT stronger than any other tree. Liberty can work, but Tradition is the always safe bet, because it's always good.
it saves you production time by building Culture Buildings for you (I usually try to make sure I have at least 2 monuments built so I get 2 free Amphitheaters) and 4 Free Aquaducts.
It also gives you a much better early (and even late) game Happiness and Gold boost through Monarchy

Liberty is alright, and better for quick expansion...but you should never expect to play wide early on Deity until late game...when you're taking Cities. The AI take too much land, and hate you for doing it, too much to be worth it early. As for the Worker boost...you can just steal a worker or two from an Unprotected City-State with very little penalty (minor warmonger penalty, but that goes away quick). And building your own worker isn't as big of a deal as it might seem in the early game.

How can he know their politics if he is not going to meet them lol.
You cant get any wonder even on emperor early game if there is combo Rameses,Ghandi(yup had these two ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in my last Emperor game and I barely reached the technology and they already had it)
It depends a lot on other civilizations(If you are playing at 6 civs, and you will meet guys like:Attila,Zulu's etc. only, you can probably build some wonders easily.), but if you will meet guys like Ghandi,Ramesses,Napoleon etc. only) then you are screwed.

[LSD]

Seems like skipping wonders is the way to go, then. The only one i can manage to get is Pyramids, only i end up gimped since i've rushed tech i don't want and missed construction that i need.
Can't even get close to Oracle, even if i go straight for it. Still 20-odd turns off construction (on Epic) before the AI beats me to it.

I always go Tradition over Liberty, but i figured on Deity it'd be best to steal up all the land before the AI. On 7, the AI has a habit of spawning settlers out of thin air and sticking cities in stupid places around my borders. Thought it'd be a good idea to snatch up the land before they get a chance.

I didn't realise Tradition gave you the next culture building you haven't yet built though. I always thought it was just Monuments. I even go so far as to forgo building monuments until i get that policy, to save production and maintenance. Awesome.

[biogoo]

Originally posted by LSD:

I didn't realise Tradition gave you the next culture building you haven't yet built though. I always thought it was just Monuments. I even go so far as to forgo building monuments until i get that policy, to save production and maintenance. Awesome.

Yep.
And even more. For example the Songhai Mud pyramid mosque (temple replacement) counts as a "culture building" as well, as it gives +2 culture:)

[Vinyl Scratch]

Originally posted by Tapak:

How can he know their politics if he is not going to meet them lol.

If he's playing on a Pangea map it's easy to meet everyone.
Exploration, and meeting all of the AIs should be one your main priorities anyways because it speeds up the rate of your tech research in the early game.

[Tapak]

You know that lots of people play other maps than Pangea. Like continents.
Its not like NQ pro multiplayers only pangea

[WhiskeyWerewolf]

If Egypt is in-game on Diety, rip wonders.

[Matthew]

You generally need to plan around getting a classical/medieval wonder, and even then there is still a bit of RNG and it may not happen every game. Both Sistine and Porcelain seem to be slower to go. A lot of people try to get Pisa. Louvre can be slow to go.

[Vinyl Scratch]

Originally posted by Tapak:

You know that lots of people play other maps than Pangea. Like continents.
Its not like NQ pro multiplayers only pangea

I didn't say everyone played Pangea, it was just an example.
But meeting as many AIs as possible is STILL important. And even if you don't meet all of them, you can still get a general idea on the ones around you, and decide if going for a Policy Wonder is worth attempt. It is not Unheard of to get the Hanging Gardens or Pyramids on Deity.

[LSD]

I'm playing continents, so exploration's a bit harder. Took me aaaages to finally find most of the civs, which was a bit late for figuring out their policies.

If it says "Liberty 2", does that mean they've chosen it and spent one policy, or does it mean they've taken it and spent 2 policies on that tree?

Got a few more questions, too: does Representation (33% lower policy cost from cities you found) ONLY count for ones you found? The text only mentions "founding", but i just want to make sure.
And is it retroactive? As in, will it apply even if i've already settled cities before selecting it?

And how is the chance to capture a ship calculated? I'm playing Ottomans with their Prize Ships. I've got a feeling it's based on the unit's strength in relation to your own, since Tri vs a Galley is a 67% chance, while Tri vs Tri is 50% chance.
And does it stack with the Prize Ships promotion that Privateers get (for an added bonus chance)?

Lastly: England's gobbling up all the land and attacking other civs. I've got a berjillion ships. Do i raid and raze, or just live and let live? Got a feeling the production bonuses will come back to haunt me if i don't (since they'll spam an army down my doors), but if i do, the other civs will have a reason to eat me.

[Bullwinkle]

Originally posted by LSD:

Seems like skipping wonders is the way to go, then. The only one i can manage to get is Pyramids, only i end up gimped since i've rushed tech i don't want and missed construction that i need.
Can't even get close to Oracle, even if i go straight for it. Still 20-odd turns off construction (on Epic) before the AI beats me to it.

I always go Tradition over Liberty, but i figured on Deity it'd be best to steal up all the land before the AI. On 7, the AI has a habit of spawning settlers out of thin air and sticking cities in stupid places around my borders. Thought it'd be a good idea to snatch up the land before they get a chance.

I didn't realise Tradition gave you the next culture building you haven't yet built though. I always thought it was just Monuments. I even go so far as to forgo building monuments until i get that policy, to save production and maintenance. Awesome.

Just make sure amphitheaters are unlocked when you choose the policy, otherwise you get nothing (at least on G&K)

[Vinyl Scratch]

Originally posted by Bullwinkle:

Just make sure amphitheaters are unlocked when you choose the policy, otherwise you get nothing (at least on G&K)

You'll get them once you've unlocked the tech