Carious... Your BEST Religious mix??

[americanman_4_life]

Your BEST Religious mix??

Just carious on the different Religions others have made, how they combine with the Policies established, and the Civ finding them... And... if you have any stories relating to THAT religion from that game?

[americanman_4_life]

So I'll start...
Actually playing a 6 player Hotseat game... I am controlling 2 players; Iroquis and China.

I decided in beginning to run experiment, and see how religion can be shared among Civ's... so China has remained Heathen, waiting for Iroquis missionaries.

Iroquis managed to get Shrine built first, by starting with Piety tree. Also managed to gun hoe for Stonehenge, and got it built.

Iroqui first founded God of Craftsmen, adding production early when cities reach 3 pop, contributing to the woods bonus from Iroquis Longhouse building later.

Iroqui founded Osini-Shinto (i rename all my religions when I play to add a little creativity, albeit, no matter how silly names sound... usually relating to finding Civ or City) in the Holy city of Osininka, Iroquis #2 (never find Holy City in Capitol, cause Holy city is also indestructible, so I have 2x).

Osini-Shinto has Tithe for founder belief; +1 gold per 4 followers (population). Iroquis also opened, and nearly completed, Tradition tree, with a lot of growth benefits, bringing more population in.

Follower beliefs (because I planned on spreading among China) I ended up choosing two buildings, being greedy... I have Monastaries and Cathedrals... Monastaries allowing for extra faith/culture from Wine/Incense (wine already in 2 Iroq Cities, will have to hunt for incense), and extra space for great works with Cathedral, plus lots culture and faith from both in one city.

And for religion to Enhance my Civ, I also have Defender of the Faith, strength near my cities.

Becuase Iroq has finished the Piety tree, Temples are bringing extra gold... as well as Holy sites bringing Gold, culture, and Faith!! With so much faith coming in from everything (extra from standard faith bldgs, plus both unique building to faith per city, plus stonehenge, and gaining more per Holysite)... I keep going for new Great prophet and another holy site. Once in while an inquisitor to protect faith. At the time I'm writing this, Iroq Capitol has 3x Holy Sites, plus the East Indian Trade center, bringing in a LOT of combined GOLD... as later game permits more buildings to add bonus percentage of gold, will add to these Combined gold sources for larger % bonus of gold! More TR's and more Holy sites= greater bonus! Shall I mention... I plan on opening Commerce Tree for Iroquis as well... another 25% bonus from capitol by opening! Will be huge!

Not done... as result of finishing Piety tree... I have also added the Reformation Belief Religious Fervor, giving my ability to purchase POST Industrial land units with Faith... and with all that faith coming in?? WIll have a massive Holy Army!!

I've still yet to convert my other Civ, but missionary is in route to China! There is a TR by Cargo ship to a CS near China cities, but it won't be enough!

Will be interesting to see how this unfolds! Might actually be my best religion created!

[D3bs]

Carious - of bones or teeth decayed or Curious - eager to know, I assume you mean the latter; but it did make me smile.

I used to get stressed about religion but now I don't although when I do get one I tend to choose religious buildings if I can; more for the happiness than anything else.

[americanman_4_life]

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Carious - of bones or teeth decayed or Curious - eager to know, I assume you mean the latter; but it did make me smile.

I used to get stressed about religion but now I don't although when I do get one I tend to choose religious buildings if I can; more for the happiness than anything else.

YUP... but if you don't study into each building closely, you won't notice the difference in each yield. No 2 religious (UNIQUE) buildings are similiar. One doesn't even offer Happy, Monastaries... but if I have a chance to work a few tiles for either Wine, or Incense, OR BOTH... I would prefer the Monastary bonus! I just happen to get lucky with this Religion, one the first founded, and only few turns later, I had another Prophet in holy city, and enhanced the religion...


It's actually funny how it happened. Late start cause of Barbs, I held on to only one City longer than I wished. As I mentioned above, I hardly ever... or never... find religion in Capitol, I like having 2x indestructible cities... so G Prophet came a long after boost in faith from Piety-Shrine-stonehenge... and I still only had one City! I finally managed to get 2d city with G Prophet following settler to immediately start religion. I noticed that turn when I founded religion, i had enough faith for 2d G prophet, but none showed up... I figured bc I had one already.

I finded city... same turn founded Religion... next turn new great Prophet... enhancing religion... I was like... SWEEEEET!!

[PhailRaptor]

My go-to Religion choices are:

Pantheon -- Desert Folklore (faith from Desert), Sacred Path (culture from jungle), or as a last resort Messanger (science per city connection)

Founder -- Tithe
Follower -- Cathedrals (no other early Work of Art choices...)

Enhancer -- Itenerant Preachers (pressure range)
Follower -- Pagodas (faith, culture, happiness, oh my!)

Haven't completed Piety enough times to have a real choice there yet.

Desert Folklore is huge. Truly, it can give you a huge amount of Faith per turn. Especially if you found a city expressly for the purpose of building Petra (almost all Desert tiles in working range)... Talk about a Faith engine.

[hobiew]

If you get Heathen Conversion as a reformation belief (piety tree), it is ridiculously powerful against barbs, making you missionaries able to defend your cities from the barbs more effectively then troops might be able to. It also helps you make a decent meat shield army.

[arhat]

Depends on the level you play on. At emperor level I choose pantheon to maximise my starting situation (eg: lots of tundra tiles, dance of the aura for faith or lots of sea resources + 1 production from each) go tithe and cathedral for the early work of art slots or if cathedrals gone , Mosques for +3 faith - Pagodas also a good alternative - 1 less faith but 1 more happiness. Enhancing I like +2 faith for each world wonder. Having good faith generation pays off later in the game when you need to pop those great scientists, writers, artists or engineers.
At deity level its a 50 / 50 chance of getting a religion so I tend to choose God King for the early boost across the board. That includes +1 faith and keeps you in contention for a religion if you miss out on Stonehenge. If getting a religion on Deity you usually end up with the leftovers so I don't mind other civ religions taking over so I can pick and choose benefits between their religion and mine. The important thing with getting a religion at deity is being able to buid a Grand Temple (+8 faith) and being able to generate great prophetsfor a couple of landmarks (+6 faith and more when historical landmarks is passed)

[tangoafterdark]

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Not done... as result of finishing Piety tree... I have also added the Reformation Belief Religious Fervor, giving my ability to purchase POST Industrial land units with Faith... and with all that faith coming in?? WIll have a massive Holy Army!!

Religious Fervor is the weakest Reformation belief. It's so bad it's not even funny... one Infantry or Tank costs 750 faith, which is 75% of the cost of a Great Person with To the Glory of God. Holy Warriors, on the other hand, can be interesting if you go Honor/Piety and delay Construction/Machinery, buying an army of promoted Archers for 80 faith each (nothing with Piety) and then upgrade them into XBs for really cheap with Professional Army. A Holy Warriors game doesn't require faith-bought Great People (and may even end before the Industrial Era), so there is no need to worry about wasting Faith.

The only Reformation beliefs worth going down Piety for (just to mix things up, not because it's a truly viable starting policy tree) are Jesuit Education and To the Glory of God, which are very strong. Charitable Missions and Sacred Sites (even if you don't ICS) are also not bad.

[Albeartoe]

If you have quarries or desert tiles, I would suggest getting any pantheon that would assist these tiles. I personally go with God-King…which gives you culture, faith, gold, and science (one each.) With many cites in your empire, it does add up and is a nice boost early in the game.

From there religion becomes an investment to me, and I pick from there depending on the map. Recently I have been getting the gold for conversion and percentage boost to production. It may take some time until your next prophet, but once it appears and you spread your religion to your empire, you make a good amount towards your bank.

[Malvastor]

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I personally go with God-King…which gives you culture, faith, gold, and science (one each.) With many cites in your empire, it does add up and is a nice boost early in the game.

Doesn't God-King only increase the output of the palace?

If I'm not on desert or jungle tiles, I take Fertility Rites. If I am I go for Desert Folklore/Sacred Path, especially if I'm on jungle tiles since I won't be able to do anything else with them for a while.

Besides that, I take either Tithe or Papal SomethingSomething (increases base influence with City-States that follow your religion; once I do some converting and go into Patronage, it ensures I stay Friends with every CS on the map). Then I take Swords into Plowshares (for +25% growth) and either one of the buildings or the +15% production. If I finish Piety, I take Jesuit education and watch my science go crazy.

[Prisoner 76561197992841073]

fertility rights all day every day. any % bonuses, cause they stack. anything else is junk

[tangoafterdark]

Yes, God-King adds yield to the Palace, but it's a 5 yield pantheon, which makes it a good choice when you can't pick a stronger pantheon. God-King is far better than Fertility Rites because you will not be generating enough surplus food to get good use out of Fertility Rites at that point in the game and by the time you can get decent use out of it, your pantheon will be wiped out by an AI religion.

[americanman_4_life]

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Yes, God-King adds yield to the Palace, but it's a 5 yield pantheon, which makes it a good choice when you can't pick a stronger pantheon. God-King is far better than Fertility Rites because you will not be generating enough surplus food to get good use out of Fertility Rites at that point in the game and by the time you can get decent use out of it, your pantheon will be wiped out by an AI religion.

HAH!!
My religions never get wiped out by AI! I almost ALWAYS go for religion early! I read a lot of negative comments on religion in game, esp with this version in Civ V! But I find it very valuable if you make for beeline and get what I need most for THAT game, and build a strong religion. A strong religion makes for a stronger Civ empire, for all the right choices decided for your empire give it that much more of a boost to your empire!

I always go for 2d great prophet, as first choice of auto purchase after finding any religion, to get the best choices available as soon as possible. Than one missionary to quickly spread among what few towns I have. than auto purchase what ever faith building I selected for religion.

I only interupt this cycle when I feel any risk to my religion by HEATHENS, in which I get inquisitors as soon as possible. If I establish any Inter-Civ TR with my cities, either Inport, or Export... I try to get Inquisitor for each City trading with another Civ... this protects my Inport cities from Heathens!!

In the few games I've played vs AI... the computer has never... ever, gotten close to threatening my own Religion. They sometimes replace my religion over CS cities, but doesn't take long to regain that. IF I have the Patronage tree open, and have closer ties with CS through my religion, I may send one of my Inquisitors to their city, though can only stand adjacent to... still protects the city!

Of course... I only play at Prince or King difficulties, so this probably gets hard to manage if I rise in the challenge... but I'm happy with the challenge where its at, for now!