Babylon OP?

[Noctuary]

I love playing as Babylon because of the quick science bonus but my friends say it is overpowered. What do you people think?

[Matthew]

It is consistently thought of as the most powerful Civ ever since it was released as a DLC. There have been some contenders, like ICS Maya in G&K, Korea, Poland. But yeah pretty much everyone agrees Babylon tops the list.

[TheGaleRider]

Yep. Babylon is the most OP science Civ in the game.

[Lesskarr Wolf]

i agree babylon is definetly op

[Noctuary]

Well that sucks... We just agreed to do random since we'd all start arguing.

[Assassin]

Babylon is actually easily countered if you know what you are doing. First of all, the sooner you find them and engage them the better. Horsemen/other mounted units should be used to pillage any academies, and you essentially negate Babylon's bonus for as long as you can keep them down.
Secondly, their science focus tends to get in the way of military focus, as they will stay on the top of the tech tree, allowing you to grab some nice military techs. While they may get eventually ahead, again, the sooner you engage the better.

[Noctuary]

Originally posted by Assassin:

Babylon is actually easily countered if you know what you are doing. First of all, the sooner you find them and engage them the better. Horsemen/other mounted units should be used to pillage any academies, and you essentially negate Babylon's bonus for as long as you can keep them down.
Secondly, their science focus tends to get in the way of military focus, as they will stay on the top of the tech tree, allowing you to grab some nice military techs. While they may get eventually ahead, again, the sooner you engage the better.

Thank you so much.

[JVteam]

Originally posted by Assassin:

Babylon is actually easily countered if you know what you are doing. First of all, the sooner you find them and engage them the better. Horsemen/other mounted units should be used to pillage any academies, and you essentially negate Babylon's bonus for as long as you can keep them down.
Secondly, their science focus tends to get in the way of military focus, as they will stay on the top of the tech tree, allowing you to grab some nice military techs. While they may get eventually ahead, again, the sooner you engage the better.

This strategy implies that Babylon is ignoring their strong UU and epic UB. Which they shouldn't.
Babylon is incredibly powerful, and can turtle the ♥♥♥♥ out of any early game conqueror long enough to gain an epic science boost and fly away in their 1600's spaceship.

[Noctuary]

Originally posted by Assassin:

Babylon is incredibly powerful, and can turtle the ♥♥♥♥ out of any early game conqueror long enough to gain an epic science boost and fly away in their 1600's spaceship.

I'm sorry, that was too funny. I just imagined a huge, wooden warhammer 40k-esque starship flying through space carrying a bunch of toga wearing arabic philosophers. XD

[Sam]

Babylon was without a doubt OP upon release. It has been nerfed a couple of times, but still is a top tier civ--my favorite. Science is so versatile for any victory condition, and the bonuses are immediately useful...beeline for Writing, build Great Library, and you are the science leader for the entire game (as long as you keep science a priority).

In multiplayer, people have a better idea of how to counter Babylon (I've heard..haven't played MP much myself), but even then they get good early-game UU/UB which only helps!

Playing against Babylon as an AI civ, though, I can usually keep them in check.

[Assassin]

Well if you hit them post UU you can usually beat em up pretty easily in my experience. Player Babylons are typically more susceptible to an early attack, especially if the game is hybrid/simultaneous, as IF you start on the same continent Babylon you can usually grab their first scientist immediately after it spawns. Insta-nerf of Babylon.

Really they arent OP. Very powerful, top tier indeed, but not invulnerable.

[Capn Chunks]

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