How to improve relations with other nations

[rolypoly]

I destroy barbarian camps near another nation's borders, return its captured units to it, give some gold sometimes when I can afford it, but the nation is still "guarded" against me and doesn't want to declare mutual friendship. What gives?

[Moonjunk]

Out-tech them and kill other civs to the point that they are afraid of you, then they are kinda like friends.

[zxcvbob]

Build a nuke. you don't have to ever use it, just keep it in your back pocket. Everyone gets real friendly.

[Malvastor]

The nations of Civilization are untrustworthy scheming backstabbers. The simplest solution is to save yourself the time and headache and kill them before they give you a reason to.

[just.nuke.em]

Wipeout a civ, trade their capital to someone else, then go to war with them and take the capital back and liberate it. Instant friendship, and they even have to vote for you in the UN.

[chaosbringer42]

The Ai in civ5 is crap. If you are more powerful than them they will be guarded or afraid. If you are weaker or equal power they will be friendly, then attack you the moment your nearest border is unguarded. The moment you win the war they start, they either become friendly, or hate you the rest of the game.

[zxcvbob]

Here's what I usually do; it works up to the Emperor level. Not sure if it works any higher than that. In the early game, I exchange embassies with most of the AI's, and declarations of friendship with a few. I pick one (one with warmonger tendencies) to shun. After a while, I bribe the warmonger to declare war on my best friend. Then I denounce him for it. Now all my friends denounce him too, and our friendship is solidified by hating on Attila (or Alex, or whomever)

You want to keep the AI's fighting (and hating, and distrusting) each other. Some AI's will goto war for as little as a spare copy of a luxury, or 5 GPT and a horse.

[PowPawa]

Originally posted by zxcvbob:

Here's what I usually do; it works up to the Emperor level. Not sure if it works any higher than that. In the early game, I exchange embassies with most of the AI's, and declarations of friendship with a few. I pick one (one with warmonger tendencies) to shun. After a while, I bribe the warmonger to declare war on my best friend. Then I denounce him for it. Now all my friends denounce him too, and our friendship is solidified by hating on Attila (or Alex, or whomever)

You want to keep the AI's fighting (and hating, and distrusting) each other. Some AI's will goto war for as little as a spare copy of a luxury, or 5 GPT and a horse.

It also works at higher level than Emperor, but it might be difficult to get allies. Only peaceful civs will be friendly because aggressive civs will have a lot more military strenght than yours and thus wont care about you.

It s also useful to trade money for a war even if you dont have friend, it can save you some precious turns.

[rolypoly]

Trade embassies? How do I do that?

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by vegans save planets:

Trade embassies? How do I do that?

Talk to the AI you want an embassy with. If you both have Writing and don't already have embassies with each other, one of the options shouls be "Accept Embassy". Unless they already really, really, hate you, they're almost always willing to trade one embassy for another.

[rolypoly]

I don't have that, the only thing I get from Writing is Open Borders

[Scheneighnay]

I found that if you capture all of their cities and choose the "puppet" option for all of them, they're be SUPER cooperative.

Almost like they're a part of your empire, but that can't be because they have their own government.

[AitchAitch]

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[zxcvbob]

I started a game at Immortal last night. Germany, epic speed, raging barbs, on a Great Plains map, and I disabled BNW. Reduced the number of civs so the barbarians have plenty of room to frolic. I've never played G&K much.

Apparently, nobody cares if you're a warmonger in G&K. Attila captured all of England's cities except London -- not sure why he stopped at that point. I could see that London was building Stonehenge, so I waited patiently for them to finish and then declared war. London fell pretty fast, and England was eliminated. Attila denounced me (he must have been getting a bunch of GPT from them for peace) but nobody else did.

Wu asked me to join her in declaring war on Sejong. I said "10 turns to prepare". We declared war and I puppeted Seoul and razed Jeonju. Everybody is still friendly with me, even Gandhi. He did ask for some of my spare cotton, and I said "sure"; he can pay me 7 GPT for it later when it's time to renew the deal.

I don't have to captured all the capitals, do I? Just be the last one still controlling my own cap? (so if Attila takes Delhi, I don't need it; just capture Attila's Court) Or when I eventually fight China, I can leave Seoul undefended and just focus on Beijing (I'll be attacking her from London)

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by zxcvbob:

I started a game at Immortal last night. Germany, epic speed, raging barbs, on a Great Plains map, and I disabled BNW. Reduced the number of civs so the barbarians have plenty of room to frolic. I've never played G&K much.

Apparently, nobody cares if you're a warmonger in G&K. Attila captured all of England's cities except London -- not sure why he stopped at that point. I could see that London was building Stonehenge, so I waited patiently for them to finish and then declared war. London fell pretty fast, and England was eliminated. Attila denounced me (he must have been getting a bunch of GPT from them for peace) but nobody else did.

Wu asked me to join her in declaring war on Sejong. I said "10 turns to prepare". We declared war and I puppeted Seoul and razed Jeonju. Everybody is still friendly with me, even Gandhi. He did ask for some of my spare cotton, and I said "sure"; he can pay me 7 GPT for it later when it's time to renew the deal.

I don't have to captured all the capitals, do I? Just be the last one still controlling my own cap? (so if Attila takes Delhi, I don't need it; just capture Attila's Court) Or when I eventually fight China, I can leave Seoul undefended and just focus on Beijing (I'll be attacking her from London)

They care if you're a war monger- they just don't do anything about it other than denounce you.

[zxcvbob]

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

They care if you're a war monger- they just don't do anything about it other than denounce you.

Gandhi's status still says "Friendly". I didn't expect him to really do anything, but I thought he'd at least scold me by now, LOL. We still have a DoF, and he's still paying 7 GPT for one of my luxes.

China or The Huns could hurt me at this point; especially if they both attack at once; one from the east and one from the west. OTOH they could also lose that battle very badly. Nobody else is left that even could do anything to me. The barbarians are stronger than India or Korea now because I've ignored them too long.