What are the best founder beliefs ?

[Magnus]

And Pantheon?? What do you prefer ?

[zacharyb]

For Pantheon belief I like either the growth rate increase, or depending if my spawn has a lot of luxery resources that can produce faith, then one of those kinds of pantheons.

For founder beliefs I like the increased production and growth rate and tithe.

[Magnus]

sweet!

Originally posted by zacharyb:

For Pantheon belief I like either the growth rate increase, or depending if my spawn has a lot of luxery resources that can produce faith, then one of those kinds of pantheons.

For founder beliefs I like the increased production and growth rate and tithe.

[zacharyb]

Originally posted by Laxus:

sweet!

Originally posted by zacharyb:

For Pantheon belief I like either the growth rate increase, or depending if my spawn has a lot of luxery resources that can produce faith, then one of those kinds of pantheons.

For founder beliefs I like the increased production and growth rate and tithe.

Those are just what I prefer, so they might not be the best.

[Damsteri]

Pantheons

Pantheon is very much situational in most cases. Pantheon is lost if you don't get religion, so primary goal for pantheon must be getting more faith, unless you have other means to get religion. Other good benefit is culture boost, because culture is hard to get at that early. It's good to check first your terrain and then your resources. If there is no good pantheons for them, then anything else providing faith/culture.

This is my normal order for selection:

1. Terrain Based - Desert Folklore / Dance of the Aurora / Sacred Path
   
2. Resource Based (faith+culture) - Goddess of Festivals / Religious Idols
   
3. Resource Based (faith) - Tear of the Gods / Stone Circles / Earth Mother
   
4. Resource Based (culture) - God of the Open Sky / Oral Tradition
   
5. Resource Based (other) - Goddess of the Hunt / God of the Sea
   
6. Backup, if nothing above fits - Fertility Rites
   
7. All others

There is some more option for very wide empires, with lots of cities. Then good choices are: Messenger of the God / God of Craftsmen / Ancestor Worship. For example Messenger of the God is very nice for Carthage, Iroquois and Inca, because they can get free city connections.

Founder Beliefs

Gold producing founder beliefs are very good, because gold can be used for almost everything. Tithe gives most gold, and it's most powerful at late game, but have to get there. Church Property is best at the mid-game, while Initiation Rites is best at early.

Papal Primacy, World Church and Pilgrimage are situational and sometimes good, but they all require quite dominant religion.

[L4Diarrhea]

Cmon people you cant say which one is the best, it depends what landscape and Civ you got...

[Gramarye]

Depends on your lay of the land, and also which DLC you're playing with.

If you're going for the one-city Achievement, for example, Papal Primacy (Founder) and Religious Art (Follower) pack a lot of punch. Otherwise, they're not quite as useful, though Papal Primacy is useful if you're going for a diplomatic victory.

For more normal plays, I second Tithe as Founder, it's so simple and it doesn't require you to be friendly with the foreign cities, meaning that you might well have worshipers in other cities donating to support your own conquest of their countries.

The initial Pantheon is very situational, because a lot of them give big bonuses for having a large quantity of a certain tile. The terrain of your first few cities matters.

[Magnus]

Aha, Thank you very much. This is very helpful for beignners like me

Originally posted by Damsteri:

Pantheons

Pantheon is very much situational in most cases. Pantheon is lost if you don't get religion, so primary goal for pantheon must be getting more faith, unless you have other means to get religion. Other good benefit is culture boost, because culture is hard to get at that early. It's good to check first your terrain and then your resources. If there is no good pantheons for them, then anything else providing faith/culture.

This is my normal order for selection:

1. Terrain Based - Desert Folklore / Dance of the Aurora / Sacred Path
   
2. Resource Based (faith+culture) - Goddess of Festivals / Religious Idols
   
3. Resource Based (faith) - Tear of the Gods / Stone Circles / Earth Mother
   
4. Resource Based (culture) - God of the Open Sky / Oral Tradition
   
5. Resource Based (other) - Goddess of the Hunt / God of the Sea
   
6. Backup, if nothing above fits - Fertility Rites
   
7. All others

There is some more option for very wide empires, with lots of cities. Then good choices are: Messenger of the God / God of Craftsmen / Ancestor Worship. For example Messenger of the God is very nice for Carthage, Iroquois and Inca, because they can get free city connections.

Founder Beliefs

Gold producing founder beliefs are very good, because gold can be used for almost everything. Tithe gives most gold, and it's most powerful at late game, but have to get there. Church Property is best at the mid-game, while Initiation Rites is best at early.

Papal Primacy, World Church and Pilgrimage are situational and sometimes good, but they all require quite dominant religion.

[Magnus]

Thank You so much :) This will be helpful to me

Originally posted by Gramarye:

Depends on your lay of the land, and also which DLC you're playing with.

If you're going for the one-city Achievement, for example, Papal Primacy (Founder) and Religious Art (Follower) pack a lot of punch. Otherwise, they're not quite as useful, though Papal Primacy is useful if you're going for a diplomatic victory.

For more normal plays, I second Tithe as Founder, it's so simple and it doesn't require you to be friendly with the foreign cities, meaning that you might well have worshipers in other cities donating to support your own conquest of their countries.

The initial Pantheon is very situational, because a lot of them give big bonuses for having a large quantity of a certain tile. The terrain of your first few cities matters.

[Magnus]

cool, thanks :D

Originally posted by Captain Orgazmo:

Cmon people you cant say which one is the best, it depends what landscape and Civ you got...

[Clefairy]

I find myself going with the 15% faster growth rate probably 90-something percent of the time... I'm always peaceful and play at slower speeds.

[nonameyet]

Normally, when I go for a religion I really want it to affect the other aspects of the game, rather than just being efficient at spreading and achieve diplomatic purposes, so I often go for beliefs that add culture, to boost policy acquisition. For example, goddess of festivals into world church can add up to quite a few additional policies (and culture on tile can add tourism). Also, the fact that you're a religious civ means the piety tree is viable and you'll never run out of policies to acquire (unless you're just that good).
On a Jungle start I almost always try Sacred Path, because it feeds a chain of fastly grown citizens working high-food tiles, ahich also fuel the expansion of the borders into more of those tiles. It also leads to monster jungle tiles once you have Universities and Trading Posts/Brazilwood Camps. Also, every Trading Post you build on a culture yielding jungle will allow that culture to factor into tourism from Hotels/Airports.
I basically second what Damsteri said, but I don't always value Desert Folklore/Dance of the Aurora as much, since I might expand off those tiles, and all they add is faith, though I still do pick those the majority of the time I'm on such tiles. And, in reality, they are some of the best when working.
There are some Civ-dependent beliefs which are best when used by a certain civ. For example, ocean starts that want to expand along coast (Japan, Carthage, Polynesia, maybe Portugal) make God of the Sea really good, Papal Primacy is really good as Siam, Monument to the Gods further enhances Eqypt, etc.