Civ 5.5

[stvlepore]

Playing as Venice almost seems like a different game...

[Grendalcat]

I agree. No settlers, buying buildings or units in puppet cities, double the trade routes leading to large amount of gold. I tend to enjoy it, as a change of pace.

[knighttemplar1960]

Its like you are the only player doing a one city challenge.

[Damsteri]

Venice is different. When new gamers ask what civ they should try, then I usually answer "Anything but Venice". You really need to know how to the game works before playing as Venice.

Venice is also weird as it's OP on single player, but will be a pushover in multiplayer as humans can counter Venice's required play style while AI can not.

One major handicap is almost a bug, as their oldest puppet doesn't switch to normal city if they lose their capital. Venice is utterly destroyed if they lose their original capital as they are left with just puppets.

[Bfloo]

I tried it for the 1 city challenge, and found it boring.

I prefer playing wide, but I can see why those who like playing tall could enjoy it.

[Amanoob105]

Originally posted by knighttemplar1960:

Its like you are the only player doing a one city challenge.

Well yes, but also no.

For any other civ the one city challenge is a bit of a challenge as all other civs are made with the idea that you will likely be building at least a few other cities, which is no longer an option.

Venice was built from the ground up to work this way. So as such it excels at it.
At least so long as you're not playing in multiplayer .

[Damsteri]

Originally posted by Bfloo:

I tried it for the 1 city challenge, and found it boring.

I prefer playing wide, but I can see why those who like playing tall could enjoy it.

I like wide, but OCC Warmongering is weird fun sometimes. Every city (including capitals, holy cities and city states) you capture are instantly removed from the map.

[cuavas]

To be honest, BNW is like Civ 5.5 (and G+K is like Civ 5.1) – it’s that much of an upgrade. Or to put it another way, Civ 5 as originally released feels like an incomplete beta

[knighttemplar1960]

Originally posted by Amanoob105:

Originally posted by knighttemplar1960:

Its like you are the only player doing a one city challenge.

Well yes, but also no.

For any other civ the one city challenge is a bit of a challenge as all other civs are made with the idea that you will likely be building at least a few other cities, which is no longer an option.

Venice was built from the ground up to work this way. So as such it excels at it.
At least so long as you're not playing in multiplayer .

The first time I played Venice it felt like playing Maria I in a one city challenge. It was mostly an end turn fest that you rolled in money. Scrooge McDuck would be envious.

[Grendalcat]

Originally posted by cuavas:

To be honest, BNW is like Civ 5.5 (and G+K is like Civ 5.1) – it’s that much of an upgrade. Or to put it another way, Civ 5 as originally released feels like an incomplete beta

I agree. Was just about getting bored with Civ 5, before BNW came out.

[Damsteri]

Originally posted by cuavas:

To be honest, BNW is like Civ 5.5 (and G+K is like Civ 5.1) – it’s that much of an upgrade. Or to put it another way, Civ 5 as originally released feels like an incomplete beta

Many people think G&K and BNW just DLCs, but they are much more. They are released 2010, 2012 and 2013, over three years. Many game series have released three games or more game in same time.

I often compare Civ V and its three versions to Assassin's Creed 2 and it's three versions (AC2, Brotherhood, and Revelations) released from 2009 to 2011. Both Civ V expansions and AC2's spinoffs introduced new things on top of the same old base game, but I think Civ V went further and changed more. Still, people complain(ed) paying for Civ V DLC "almost the same price as new games", while they paid full price for "new" games on many game series.

[cuavas]

I got the base game free from a friend with a spare key, and I paid very little for the expansions, so meh.

[Grendalcat]

Originally posted by cuavas:

I got the base game free from a friend with a spare key, and I paid very little for the expansions, so meh.

You're not happy that you got them for such low prices?

[cuavas]

Originally posted by Grendalcat:

Originally posted by cuavas:

I got the base game free from a friend with a spare key, and I paid very little for the expansions, so meh.

You're not happy that you got them for such low prices?

I’m very happy I got Civ V and the expansions so cheap, and got many hours of enjoyment out of it (only four achievements not done). The “meh” was directed at the people described here: Still, people complain(ed) paying for Civ V DLC "almost the same price as new games", while they paid full price for "new" games on many game series. I never got worked up about the pricing because I didn’t have to pay close to full price, and I never had to deal with people getting worked up about the pricing, either.