is russia OP?

[Hammerz50]

my friend plays with them and no matter what happens he also seems to be miles ahead in science and production and just everything but hes honestly not a good player so i'm stuck at what to say or think of in terms of why when he plays as russia he seems to be amazing

[VonDüsenberg]

it is a strong civilzation. but the strenght lies in it's ability to multiply strategic resources. if he is able to trade all the resources, then that is a strong advantage. not entirely OP but pretty strong. of course it can be very benificial during wartimes too, because of the units that require resoures. russia certainly is in the upper tier of civilizations, but it doesn't necessarily has an advantage in science. production maybe a little bit, because they usually spawn with iron, horses etc.

[dcain3456]

I think Russia is average tier at best, since they tend to start in useless tundra.

[CloudSeeker]

I believe civs like Egypt or Poland is OP.

[mustachewarfare]

Russia is T2 Their UA is great but UB and UU is situationally weak at best and most time negligible.

The main drawback of Russia is you have greater chance of getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥ tundra start which will put you in disadvantage in any competitive setting.

[JtBryant]

Originally posted by mustachewarfare:

Russia is T2 Their UA is great but UB and UU is situationally weak at best and most time negligible.

What? I find the Krepost to be very strong, my favorite UB in the game.

[Damsteri]

Originally posted by JtBryant:

Originally posted by mustachewarfare:

Russia is T2 Their UA is great but UB and UU is situationally weak at best and most time negligible.

What? I find the Krepost to be very strong, my favorite UB in the game.

Have you really undrestood how it works? Only thing you get extra versus normal barracks is cheaper tile acquisation, i.e. cheaper tiles when buying them (almost never recommended) and little bit faster automatic border growth. You can get more tiles, but Russia's starting bias is tundra, so most of them are worthless. It's really one of the weakest UBs in the game.

[The Rock God]

Russia hasn't been OP since patch 1.0.1.135, when mounted units got nerfed.

[JtBryant]

Originally posted by Damsteri:

Have you really undrestood how it works? Only thing you get extra versus normal barracks is cheaper tile acquisation, i.e. cheaper tiles when buying them (almost never recommended) and little bit faster automatic border growth. You can get more tiles, but Russia's starting bias is tundra, so most of them are worthless. It's really one of the weakest UBs in the game.

No Faster border growth is amazing, I love the Krepost + Angkor-Wat + Religious Settlements combo.

[Hammerz50]

even in the comments we cant come to a decison on whats what

[airmikee99]

Originally posted by Hammerz50:

even in the comments we cant come to a decison on whats what

That's because it's all opinion mashing.

[mustachewarfare]

Originally posted by JtBryant:

Originally posted by Damsteri:

Have you really undrestood how it works? Only thing you get extra versus normal barracks is cheaper tile acquisation, i.e. cheaper tiles when buying them (almost never recommended) and little bit faster automatic border growth. You can get more tiles, but Russia's starting bias is tundra, so most of them are worthless. It's really one of the weakest UBs in the game.

No Faster border growth is amazing, I love the Krepost + Angkor-Wat + Religious Settlements combo.

cause Russia sure have population to support all that tile

It is a barrack replacement. You have more important building to get (Granary, library, temple, workshop, university, and etc) by the time you think of getting Krepost you will have gotten most of the tiles you need naturally.

Prioritizing Krepost will hurt other more important aspect like population, science, finding religion, and just getting more hammer straight out.

Also, nobody really has time to build angkor wat since they need to focus getting university then think of getting workshop and consider other player may go crossbow rush you.

And religious settlement is one of the worst pantheon I can think of. Why would you pick a belief that doesn't either grant faith to find religion fast or other kind of economic bonus?

As mentioned before you just wouldn't have population to work all that tiles anyway.

Hack even getting something like god of open sky will be much more powerful if you have like 2 pasture based resource for your city and potential settlement location.

[mustachewarfare]

Originally posted by JtBryant:

Originally posted by mustachewarfare:

Russia is T2 Their UA is great but UB and UU is situationally weak at best and most time negligible.

What? I find the Krepost to be very strong, my favorite UB in the game.

Top tier UB in the game

Stele => Almost guarantee to find religion
Burial Tomb => +2 happiness and no maintenance cost. Egypt is one of the best faction to go wide just because of this factor.
Floating garden => +15% total food. Enjoy your local hanging garden + 2 food for lake tile which can translates to basically early civil service without having to improve tile (less important bonus as this will be situational). 1 less maintenance
Paper maker => 2 gold production. 3 gold difference from other civ is pretty important early on and China will less likely to find itself in gold deficit situation. This may allow china to go wide.
Hanse => Situationally powerful and comes late so this will be more of T2 UB but damn this can hilariously snowball if your opponent doesn't deny the advantage.

[Desperado]

map sertings are also a factor....alot of people like strategic balance, which plays into russia's strengths...horses and iron are extra good for russia compared to other civs.

AND...if you disable start bias, russia wont be stuck with a tundra start.

[adkjake]

you know what shows up in tundra




Uranium

[JtBryant]

Originally posted by mustachewarfare:

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SteIe: I have never had a problem founding a religion.
Burial Tomb: Happiness is decent, maintenance is irrelevant.
Floating Garden: +15% food very strong, easily top 5 UB, but Aztecs UA is pretty weak.
Paper Maker: Three gold is useless.
Hanse: By the time I get banking I have more gold than I need, so all my trade routes are internal food routes.

Top 10 UB:
1. Krepost: Faster border growth.
2. Floating Gardens: Food boost.
3. Coffe House: +25% GP.
4. Candi: Gardens in all cities.
5. Bazzar: Double luxuries.
6. Ceilidh Hall: +3 Happiness.
7. Burial Tomb: +2 Happiness.
8. Hanse: Production Boost
9. Royal Library +1 Great works slot.
10. Ikanda: Bonus promotion.