Why does Lox Pie suck so badly?

[GrimHumor]

So, I’m the kinda cook on my server. I make food for everyone and they bring me back ingredients from their travels. But, feeding all my friends is demanding and so I set out to do a little research on what foods were the cheapest to craft with the best return … and I found some pretty BIG flaws.

First off… I started to notice that materials required to craft different items was all over the place. Most take 4 but one takes 16 … I also noticed that most things only give you 1 finished product while something like Sausage gives 4 per craft.]

Then I got into the stats and boy…they are ALL over the place. Lox meat cooked over a camp fire is better than sausage … but only 10 points below Low Pie. So then I REALLY got into the numbers. First I thought, well maybe it has to do with the stats of the materials used to craft the item, but I blew that out of the water. Also there are some ingredients that don’t even have food stats to begin with … so I thought, well maybe those items just have some general base value they add to the dish…Nope, also had no bearing. There appears to be no rhyme or reason to what you put vs what you get out, it’s random based loosely on how hard the items are to obtain.

But this is where I found out something interesting… Lox Meat Pie is absolutely the WORST food in the game. First of all, you have to waste 2 cooked lox, for only a crappy +10 to health and extra 1 to health regeneration. Based on the materials you waste crafting this food…it’s just not worth it. Because you’ll have more food, if you just use the cooked lox meat and then a health potion vs wasting time and materials on crafting the stupid pie. (plus you need flour which is just a useless time sink and waste of materials) Also, Sausage … always make sausage. With 4 for every craft, it’s one of the best foods…and Queens Jam is useless … 16 freaking materials for this? Why? Just why!?

I’d really like to see a cooking system where what you put in is more proportional to the return. I’d also really like to see all food have a campfire version, why can’t I roast carrots? or turnips? XD

[Ryooku]

Origineel geplaatst door Sunny:

Origineel geplaatst door Ryooku:

And fishing? You can't convince me you're having FUN fishing, you're lying and I know it.

I really enjoy it. It's not the best fishing in a game (currently, I think FFXIV's fishing is), but there are definitely people who like fishing in games. I swear I'm not lying. Infinitely less frustrating than the fishing in Stardew Valley (which I also enjoy), and it's more interesting than Minecraft's (unmodded) fishing.

I'm one of those people who loves fishing in games to be honest! My main source of early income in Stradew was grinding out fishing levels, only vaguely caring about the farming enough to fix the town hall at the start. But that brings up the point of leveling, because in Stardew, it was rough to fish in the beginning, but after a while it feels really nice to get good at fishing. Unfortuantely in Valheim, the most complicated problem I've had was "Damnit, the fish got stuck under the platform again..." but aside from that, it's just click, hold, and hope you have enough stamina. Which amounts to a random amount of fish, because alas, there are different fish worth different values, and you're still at the mercy of what the game spawns in. It's moreso that fishing in Valheim needs some hefty work than fishing in games being an unfun thing to do.

[Ryooku]

Origineel geplaatst door Deceptive Pastry:

I think some people are missing the point. Obviously Lox Pie is one of the best foods stat wise, but in terms of time efficiency, you're better off just eating the cooked meat.

Turnip stew and Cooked lox meat are both pretty quick to stock up on.

You're right, people like you ARE missing the point. Cooked Lox Meat IS easy to stock up, so why don't I use some of these hundreds of stacks of Barley and Cloudberries to make it EVEN BETTER. And, since it's legally not Cooked Lox Meat, you get the amazing benefits of being able to eat BOTH. And as you've said, IT'S EASY TO STOCK UP ON LOX MEAT, so why not just... do that. Eh?

[Ryooku]

Origineel geplaatst door Frozztastic:

Origineel geplaatst door Ryooku:

TL;DR: Get used to multitasking you lazy piece of lox dung.

I get laser focused on whatever task I have on hand at the time. It's kind of funny. Good to know about the Serpent meat, though. I haven't actually encountered one yet, didn't know the meat would float/drops would sink. Makes kind of sense.

As for fishing...I've not yet successfully caught a single fish.

I suck. >_<

Sorry, I more meant that at the original poster, (and anyone doubting the ease and power of pie) not you! Although I certainly hope that I was able to help with food suggestions! And don't worry about sucking, we all do for a while, I'm sure you'll get better, people who ask questions usually do! ^-^

[Sunny]

Origineel geplaatst door Ryooku:

Which amounts to a random amount of fish, because alas, there are different fish worth different values, and you're still at the mercy of what the game spawns in. It's moreso that fishing in Valheim needs some hefty work than fishing in games being an unfun thing to do.

So...it's not entirely random, and there are different schools of fish, and certain types of fish hang out in certain locations. If you hunt for good fishing spots, you can control your intake pretty significantly. It's not just click-hold, though it is in the actual reeling in part. ^^

[Crowing]

Origineel geplaatst door GrimHumor:

So, I’m the kinda cook on my server. I make food for everyone and they bring me back ingredients from their travels. But, feeding all my friends is demanding and so I set out to do a little research on what foods were the cheapest to craft with the best return … and I found some pretty BIG flaws.

First off… I started to notice that materials required to craft different items was all over the place. Most take 4 but one takes 16 … I also noticed that most things only give you 1 finished product while something like Sausage gives 4 per craft.]

Then I got into the stats and boy…they are ALL over the place. Lox meat cooked over a camp fire is better than sausage … but only 10 points below Low Pie. So then I REALLY got into the numbers. First I thought, well maybe it has to do with the stats of the materials used to craft the item, but I blew that out of the water. Also there are some ingredients that don’t even have food stats to begin with … so I thought, well maybe those items just have some general base value they add to the dish…Nope, also had no bearing. There appears to be no rhyme or reason to what you put vs what you get out, it’s random based loosely on how hard the items are to obtain.

But this is where I found out something interesting… Lox Meat Pie is absolutely the WORST food in the game. First of all, you have to waste 2 cooked lox, for only a crappy +10 to health and extra 1 to health regeneration. Based on the materials you waste crafting this food…it’s just not worth it. Because you’ll have more food, if you just use the cooked lox meat and then a health potion vs wasting time and materials on crafting the stupid pie. (plus you need flour which is just a useless time sink and waste of materials) Also, Sausage … always make sausage. With 4 for every craft, it’s one of the best foods…and Queens Jam is useless … 16 freaking materials for this? Why? Just why!?

I’d really like to see a cooking system where what you put in is more proportional to the return. I’d also really like to see all food have a campfire version, why can’t I roast carrots? or turnips? XD

I have nothing to add, I agree with you bigly.

[Crowing]

Origineel geplaatst door Sunny:

Origineel geplaatst door Ryooku:

Which amounts to a random amount of fish, because alas, there are different fish worth different values, and you're still at the mercy of what the game spawns in. It's moreso that fishing in Valheim needs some hefty work than fishing in games being an unfun thing to do.

So...it's not entirely random, and there are different schools of fish, and certain types of fish hang out in certain locations. If you hunt for good fishing spots, you can control your intake pretty significantly. It's not just click-hold, though it is in the actual reeling in part. ^^

none of this is true. the pike tuna and perch will spawn randomly, wherever. there aren't "schools" of fish and specific fish dont "hang out" in certain areas. they just spawn randomly.

[Kitsune Dzelda]

Listening to the ire of a good cook bemoaning his ingredients is always a welcome rant in my book. I love my food, so hearing this stuff is akin to learning how to cook better myself ^^

[Deadoon]

Lox meat is a very plentiful resource, each lox drops 4-5 so killing a herd of 3 will get you 12-15 which is in turn a minimum of 6 pies. Each pie lasts a minimum of 1200 seconds so you need 3 per hour. Thus you need to hunt 1 minimum size herd every 2 hours per person.

Then you have herd sizes of 5 or so and the chance to get higher meat drops. Barley is barely a concern once you have a 300-400 sized farm built. Cloudberries are almost as common as grass on the plains so that is almost a joke itself.

Also if you want a lazymans decent meal, lox meat pie, lox meat and bread is basically unbeatable in terms of how easy the resources to make all of those are to get. Maybe replace bread with fish wraps if you are conserving barley for some reason.

[GrimHumor]

Well ... I actually really do enjoy fishing, while I'm waiting on my crops and mead. SO to each their own? ^_^

As for the serpents ... we have a person on our server who legit loves to sail around, that's all he does...even has a house built into a dock. So hunting sea serpents is a big part of what he does besides moving unportables between camps and towns.

For what it's worth, those of you who are on single players or have the resources to throw away on the top tier stuff, I'm not saying you shouldn't. All I'm saying is that, the math says it's pretty inefficient, and I'm trying to put out the most food, for materials. When it comes down to feeding one or two players or 4-6, I'm looking at making my resources go the furthest for the time and effort involved. +1 to health regen, or 20 or 30 points better here or there, isn't that helpful when I'm constantly struggling blowing through food. I mean... lox meat is 70/40 ... a dish that takes 2 Lox plus other ingredients not even breaking 100 health buff seems like the food used isn't even considered in the end product.

[bacon]

this might make sense if you only ate one food type but the ability to eat both regular lox meat and lox meat pie makes lox meat pie valuable, since you can combine them. if you are in the plains, you will find that lox meat, cloudberries, and barley are basically "free" because they are so plentiful.

if you are not yet mature enough in the plains exploration to have a barley, farm, then yes, lox meat is clearly superior since it isnt that hard to kill lox and then run out of the plains without dealing with fulings and mosquitos. but if you are already doing village raids and have a barley/flax farm, then making lox meat pie is extremely easy. i must have at least 10 chests at this point full of barley flour, cloudberries, and raw lox meat at this point. i literally dont have time to cook it all.

[Polaris]

If I'm smelting or building in a relatively safe spot, sausage, honey, and cooked meat or lox meat

For general exploration, I use lox meat pie, lox meat, and honey (or sausages, if I have enough thistle)(all easy to get stuff)

For yagluth, I used serpant stew, lox meat pie, and blood pudding.

But yeah, lox meat pie takes a lot of material, but it's all easy to get, each lox drops enough meat for 2 pies, cloud berries are plentiful, and used in relatively few things, even eating pie all the time, I have over a chest if cloud berries. And barely is easy enough to farm, I have 2 chests of flour, even when I'm eating pie all the time xD

Meanwhile, the other top foods take more grind, blood pudding needs blood sacs from leeches, not difficult, but when I use so much blood on my mead stockpile...

Serpants take a lot of time to hunt, and generally illnobly try at night during storms, I have to save that stew for special occasions.

And fish tacos require fishing, again, not too bad, but lox meat is far easier/faster to obtain, the pie is my favorite :)

[Frozztastic]

Origineel geplaatst door Ryooku:

Origineel geplaatst door Frozztastic:

I get laser focused on whatever task I have on hand at the time. It's kind of funny. Good to know about the Serpent meat, though. I haven't actually encountered one yet, didn't know the meat would float/drops would sink. Makes kind of sense.

As for fishing...I've not yet successfully caught a single fish.

I suck. >_<

Sorry, I more meant that at the original poster, (and anyone doubting the ease and power of pie) not you! Although I certainly hope that I was able to help with food suggestions! And don't worry about sucking, we all do for a while, I'm sure you'll get better, people who ask questions usually do! ^-^

I appreciate the info, from you and everyone. I'm not too far in at the moment (Thinking about taking on Bonemass next login), and am looking forward to seeing what kind of trouble I can get in to. :D

[CAPT CABE MAN]

cooks even grumble in the gaming world

[Lunacy]

I think you only make lox pie as boss prep and not for your usual travels.

The top 3 for a boss fight would be Blood Pudding, Serpent Stew, and Lox Meat Pie.
For usual endgame travels and exploration, you'd do Sausage, Cooked Lox Meat, and either Turnip Stew or Blood Pudding.

[Ataxio]

Lol calling it the worst in the game because its expensive llololololl.

I eat it constantly, all the materials to make it are stocked in abundance and very minimal time was put into harvesting lox meat and berries. Idk what your doing wrong OP but there is absolutely no problem with Lox meat or the pies or even the balance with the stats.

"(plus you need flour which is just a useless time sink and waste of materials)" - wow & you are the cook? I feel bad for this crew.

My full iron chest of barly flour is laughing in windmill.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1735548852809337068/B8EDF6B67594C10ED8B4A88C12C1BD1EE56CC1A4/

^ I actually need to restock this, it's getting a bit low.