Why does Lox Pie suck so badly?

[GrimHumor]

So, I’m the kinda cook on my server. I make food for everyone and they bring me back ingredients from their travels. But, feeding all my friends is demanding and so I set out to do a little research on what foods were the cheapest to craft with the best return … and I found some pretty BIG flaws.

First off… I started to notice that materials required to craft different items was all over the place. Most take 4 but one takes 16 … I also noticed that most things only give you 1 finished product while something like Sausage gives 4 per craft.]

Then I got into the stats and boy…they are ALL over the place. Lox meat cooked over a camp fire is better than sausage … but only 10 points below Low Pie. So then I REALLY got into the numbers. First I thought, well maybe it has to do with the stats of the materials used to craft the item, but I blew that out of the water. Also there are some ingredients that don’t even have food stats to begin with … so I thought, well maybe those items just have some general base value they add to the dish…Nope, also had no bearing. There appears to be no rhyme or reason to what you put vs what you get out, it’s random based loosely on how hard the items are to obtain.

But this is where I found out something interesting… Lox Meat Pie is absolutely the WORST food in the game. First of all, you have to waste 2 cooked lox, for only a crappy +10 to health and extra 1 to health regeneration. Based on the materials you waste crafting this food…it’s just not worth it. Because you’ll have more food, if you just use the cooked lox meat and then a health potion vs wasting time and materials on crafting the stupid pie. (plus you need flour which is just a useless time sink and waste of materials) Also, Sausage … always make sausage. With 4 for every craft, it’s one of the best foods…and Queens Jam is useless … 16 freaking materials for this? Why? Just why!?

I’d really like to see a cooking system where what you put in is more proportional to the return. I’d also really like to see all food have a campfire version, why can’t I roast carrots? or turnips? XD

[Das Trojanische Pferd]

jea hopefully its in the next big patch that overworks the base

[GrimHumor]

Originally posted by Troja:

jea hopefully its in the next big patch that overworks the base

I think I saw an updated cooking system is planned, in future. I'm not sure if it will be a complete overhaul or just adding more items and recipes.

[Frozztastic]

So what did you find is the best combo? Curious minds ask. :D

[Deceptive Pastry]

I came to the same conclusion with Lox Pie. I could have 40 minutes of 80 HP, or 66 minutes of 70 HP. The extra stamina isn't worth 2x the materials + flour. I feel like a lot of the top tier foods are only worth saving for dangerous missions like raiding Fuling camps. Blood pudding is great but not easy to farm in large quantities. Fish tacos aren't bad, fishing is relaxing, but again not easy to quickly farm large quantities of. Bread is ok and easy for when you need stamina but not something to use all the time as it's only 40 HP and costs 10 flour each. Generally end game I just stuck with sausage, turnip stew, and cooked lox meat.

Queens jam is good early game, you get 4x per craft so it's only 4x materials per item. I believe the highest HP you can get until sausages is cooked meat + neck tail + queens jam, unless you were able to find a trader and can get cooked fish.

[Bobucles]

The real trick is stacking lox meat with lox pie for twice the lox flavor.

[RasaNova]

Lox meat is very bland and dry though... it's like eating old soggy leather that tastes like grass and cow dung.

The tart sweetness of cloudberry mixed in a rich barley crust is what makes the stuff edible.

[GrimHumor]

Originally posted by Frozztastic:

So what did you find is the best combo? Curious minds ask. :D

In general, the lowest cost in mats, for best return would be these below. Yeah the other stuff, gives you higher stats, but you're gonna waste a lot more in time for less return to make them in bulk. SO unless you're going into a boss fight, these menus are far better cost wise.

Balanced (total Mats 8)
-Cooked Lox Meat
-Cooked Serpent
-Fish Wrap (Taco)

Health (total Mats 8)
-Cooked Lox Meat
-Cooked Serpent
-Blood Pudding

Stamina (total mats 10)
-Turnip Soup
-Carrot Soup
-Fish Wrap

[M'Hael]

lol...you guys have no idea what you are talking about. Lox pie is easily the best food in the game, and is the easiest S tier food to create.

S tier:
Lox Pie
Blood Pudding
Serpent Stew
Fish Tacos

A tier:
Lox meat

B tier:
Sausage
Turnip Stew
Bread (probably more like C tier, cost is too high)

Originally posted by Frozztastic:

So what did you find is the best combo? Curious minds ask. :D

The best combination is any 3 S tier foods, a very good combo is Lox pie/Lox meat/Sausage. A good combo is Lox meat/ Sausage/ Turnip stew (This is what I usually end up eating 80% of the time.

[jonnin]

sausage burns out sage which is a pain to collect. Not hard, just 3 here, 4 there, 1 here on a trek across the universe. Barley, you can make many in a small plot of land, step thru the portal once every 3 days and you get plenty. Your numbers make sense but you assume hunting sage is as easy as gather barley. There is a windmill time sink too, but still, that is offline time not interactive.
you need to redo your numbers based off true effort.
eg lox drop a lot of meat each one.
Now, lox meat as a food instead of ingredient ... ok, that one is a winner big time.
bread is even a winner, its pretty good for the effort, in spite of the idiotic high cost in flour because the human effort/time per loaf is small.
turnip stew is a winner, in spite of the 3x turnips, because they are easy to get.

I adventure in the plains with honey, turnip stew, and cooked lox and its more than plenty.

[GrimHumor]

Originally posted by M'Hael:

lol...you guys have no idea what you are talking about. Lox pie is easily the best food in the game, and is the easiest S tier food to create.

S tier:
Lox Pie
Blood Pudding
Serpent Stew
Fish Tacos

A tier:
Lox meat

B tier:
Sausage
Turnip Stew
Bread (probably more like C tier, cost is too high)

If you're looking at just the satas you could make that assumtion. But in terms of waste, they are the bottom of the list. 4 flour? flour has to be created through another process, and your burning that extra piece of lox for only 40 extra stamina and 10 health ... where as you could make two tacos for amount of flour and two lox meat...so your in effect useing the resources to feed two players just to feed one.

[RasaNova]

Originally posted by jonnin:

sausage burns out sage which is a pain to collect. Not hard, just 3 here, 4 there, 1 here on a trek across the universe. Barley, you can make many in a small plot of land, step thru the portal once every 3 days and you get plenty. Your numbers make sense but you assume hunting sage is as easy as gather barley. There is a windmill time sink too, but still, that is offline time not interactive.
you need to redo your numbers based off true effort.
eg lox drop a lot of meat each one.
Now, lox meat as a food instead of ingredient ... ok, that one is a winner big time.
bread is even a winner, its pretty good for the effort, in spite of the idiotic high cost in flour because the human effort/time per loaf is small.

Thistle is so easy to collect though... especially at night, since you can see the glow from a long distance. I pick up tons any time I go through the forest, and usually have stacks of the stuff.

[Bobucles]

Lots of praise for fish, but they're always so difficult to catch. Is there some magic trick to reeling in mountains of fish?

[zacharyb]

Originally posted by RasaNova:

Originally posted by jonnin:

sausage burns out sage which is a pain to collect. Not hard, just 3 here, 4 there, 1 here on a trek across the universe. Barley, you can make many in a small plot of land, step thru the portal once every 3 days and you get plenty. Your numbers make sense but you assume hunting sage is as easy as gather barley. There is a windmill time sink too, but still, that is offline time not interactive.
you need to redo your numbers based off true effort.
eg lox drop a lot of meat each one.
Now, lox meat as a food instead of ingredient ... ok, that one is a winner big time.
bread is even a winner, its pretty good for the effort, in spite of the idiotic high cost in flour because the human effort/time per loaf is small.

Thistle is so easy to collect though... especially at night, since you can see the glow from a long distance. I pick up tons any time I go through the forest, and usually have stacks of the stuff.

It can be, sometimes though the spawns for it are really low, like I ran through a Black Forest that my friend and I hadn't been to in a long time and I only found like 3 Thistle.

[jonnin]

Could be RNG but I pick up every piece I find and I can't collect enough to make sausage a 100% uptime food like I can stew. Deer are plentiful for me, at least. And I 'control' 4 fairly large islands now. If I spent hours in the forest, maybe, but the only thing there I can remotely use is the thistle...

[Cougarific]

Originally posted by Bobucles:

Lots of praise for fish, but they're always so difficult to catch. Is there some magic trick to reeling in mountains of fish?

First - fish where you see fish.

Second - when you see no more fish, stop fishing and move to another spot where you see fish.

I like to combine fishing with some other activity that involves waiting around like smelting, making charcoal or farming.

Fill the smelter, go catch five or six fish - back to smelter, refill it and go back to fishing.

People will suggest cheese strategies like catching them by hand on land in rough weather but you can stockpile a dozen or more fish just dedicating one full day to fishing.