Dear dev's - From a hand/finger point of view.

[Jin Shepard]

*SPOILERS POSSIBLE*

I am playing a game, using many of my brothers or sisters to press buttons, it is my job, i have to do it, my master will not ask me anything else.

But I have to press so many times so many of the same buttons, I have to press 3-5 times for a ore, then to process an entire node i have to press it again 10x then, i need to help my master get coal, press many times for chopping wood then click again 25x for it to burn, use that to press 20x again.

This is just one of the examples i have for my fingers, they hurt like hell playing this game and i feel a lot of it is to make it longer, not feel like a survival game. It is alpha, we understand. Mining is the same, it just takes a little to long, and it does not help we cannot just hold the mousebutton for continues useage untill out of stamina.

First time i entered a crypt, I never wanted to set foot in it again, just so much mining it takes to long to do.

*Possible solution*

a simple UI for Smelters, Windmill, Spinning Wheel and Charcoal kiln's where you drop and drag your stacks in that would take away so much fingercrushing spam clicking the gods in valheim themselves would approve.

Make mining 0.25% of 0.50% quicker would also make it a lot less painful. Simple hold mouse for action wouldnt help that much since it would still take so much time.

Thanks for reading!

[~KeNnEtH~]

I guess what they could do is just have an option for auto mine.

Meaning no change to speed or anything but just have the option to let the character start whacking the ore or rock non-stop until the particular ore is gone or the user moves the mouse.

Same as how left shift used to be required to be held down to sprint but these days a lot of games changed it to allow just a single press to toggle between sprint and walk.

This way for those of us that like to have 100% control over when and where to strike the pickaxe or tree, we can stick with the current "1-click 1-swing" control and for those that have condition with their fingers or simply want the convenience, they can toggle it for a more physically relaxing control style.

[Quineloe]

I got a G510s Logitech which comes with 18 G-keys.

one of the G-keys is set to repeat E every 20 miliseconds. The result is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PmbSSQTCMU

In this video you can only see two button presses. Two.

[Jaglet]

Originally posted by LordOfTheDread:

Originally posted by Jin Shepard:

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As for mining if I am not mistaken the big difference comes from the mana drain more than the damage you're doing each hit with your pickaxe so there is more difference from going to a tier up pickaxe than from raising skill.

Thus said it tkes approximately 5 minutes for me to mine a complete copper vein, not too shaby for 90 copper or around.

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I want to see a video of you mining an entire copper node in 5 minutes with you antler pickaxe. Because antler is what you have going into the copper tier not a maxed out iron pickaxe. Also want to see a video of the guy supposedly one shotting trees. Reality and some of these posts are worlds apart. The op makes a good point just clicking a zillion times is wasteful and has nothing to do with "earning" or "difficulty" for those that think something being a "time sink" makes it "earned or difficult" time to wake up. On the up side its EA so hopefully they will do some work on controls etc.

[Quineloe]

Use antler pickaxe to dig out the entire node, then pick a few pieces from the bottom and the whole thing will come down.

[Jaglet]

Originally posted by Quineloe:

Use antler pickaxe to dig out the entire node, then pick a few pieces from the bottom and the whole thing will come down.

Tried that several times the entire node floats. So I end up having to jump on top of it and still break each individual piece after I have whacked half the bottom off. It literally has separate pieces floating with no connection to the ground. So that has not worked for me on sp or dedicated.

[LordOfTheBread]

Originally posted by Jaglet:

Originally posted by LordOfTheDread:

As for mining if I am not mistaken the big difference comes from the mana drain more than the damage you're doing each hit with your pickaxe so there is more difference from going to a tier up pickaxe than from raising skill.

Thus said it tkes approximately 5 minutes for me to mine a complete copper vein, not too shaby for 90 copper or around.

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I want to see a video of you mining an entire copper node in 5 minutes with you antler pickaxe. Because antler is what you have going into the copper tier not a maxed out iron pickaxe. Also want to see a video of the guy supposedly one shotting trees. Reality and some of these posts are worlds apart. The op makes a good point just clicking a zillion times is wasteful and has nothing to do with "earning" or "difficulty" for those that think something being a "time sink" makes it "earned or difficult" time to wake up. On the up side its EA so hopefully they will do some work on controls etc.

I never said with an antler pickaxe.

[Quineloe]

Originally posted by Jaglet:

Originally posted by Quineloe:

Use antler pickaxe to dig out the entire node, then pick a few pieces from the bottom and the whole thing will come down.

Tried that several times the entire node floats. So I end up having to jump on top of it and still break each individual piece after I have whacked half the bottom off. It literally has separate pieces floating with no connection to the ground. So that has not worked for me on sp or dedicated.

I've had this succeed multiple times. It is a bit buggy but it can work

[Soulstinger]

The one that gets me is 50 clicks per Windmill with no option to hold it down

[Sir Sparrow]

Originally posted by Weaver:

You can hold E to fill the kiln, smelter, blast furnace, fires. You can hold E to harvest plants as well and just walk.

Mining and cutting trees get quicker and require fewer hits as you level and get better tools. With fully upgraded iron tools I cut down trees now in a single hit, one more to break the logs in 2, one hit on each log for wood. Anything I mine breaks with a single hit.

You're complaining about non-issues because you apparently want rewards without effort, and seeing as you've apparently accessed windmills but don't know you can hold E for most things, nor do you know how easy chopping/mining becomes, one can only assume you used cheats to avoid any effort already. Stop asking for participation trophies.

Hm, I wonder how you chop down trees in one hit with iron axe, if it takes two hits with a fully upgraded blackmetal axe, which is the best in the game currently and copper\silver ores also take 2-3 hits with fully upgraded pickaxe. The only thing that breaks in one hit when it comes to ores, are Muddy Scrap Piles. Guess you're playing as some kind of MMA strongman.

[RasaNova]

Originally posted by Jaglet:

Originally posted by Quineloe:

Use antler pickaxe to dig out the entire node, then pick a few pieces from the bottom and the whole thing will come down.

Tried that several times the entire node floats. So I end up having to jump on top of it and still break each individual piece after I have whacked half the bottom off. It literally has separate pieces floating with no connection to the ground. So that has not worked for me on sp or dedicated.

Yeah this has been my experience as well. People I've played with on the same server have done it, but I tried 3 copper nodes and 1 silver, and just ended up with levitating nodes.

Even so, doesn't really bother me... I don't love stuffing wood into kilns (and lets be real holding E isn't a great solution) but it's not the worst thing in the world, and only takes a couple seconds of fast tapping. Maybe a workaround for people with physical comfort issues could use the console to get refined items, while dumping the required base resources into the sea to make it less like cheating.

[Weaver]

Originally posted by Soulstinger:

The one that gets me is 50 clicks per Windmill with no option to hold it down

Yeah, pretty sure that'll be changed to be like every other object. You can tell the later tier stuff is unfinished and a WIP.

[Wiergate]

Originally posted by Whiplash711:

Originally posted by Weaver:

You can hold E to fill the kiln, smelter, blast furnace, fires. You can hold E to harvest plants as well and just walk.

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You're complaining about non-issues because you apparently want rewards without effort, and seeing as you've apparently accessed windmills but don't know you can hold E for most things, nor do you know how easy chopping/mining becomes, one can only assume you used cheats to avoid any effort already. Stop asking for participation trophies.

Nice to see I am not the only one seeing this thread for what it is. Of course we are just raging.
It does all come down to being able to jump from start to finish in the fastest amount of time possible. Few people under 40 seem to know what it is to EARN anything. They all feel everything is handed to them because their parents did that.

The Entitlement is strong in the younger generations........our world will be doomed......

Only harvesting works like this using a controller, everything else requires individual button presses.
On my second char after maxing the first one out and I've probably pressed 'X' 400 000 times by now.

Does that make me as much of a hardcore, veteran and un-entitled gamer as you?
One can but hope.

[Humpenstilzchen]

Would be cool if we could autofill smelters, spinning weels, windmills ect by holding the button for a second.

[rexpiscator]

...or as the already implemented, 'Split Stack' slider works...choose how many you want via interface/HID. I'd much rather see a better 'Forge' UI, that will allow for better management of tasks....so many tasks involved with 'Forging' metals. It's why I stopped using the 'Kiln' to make charcoal...such a waste of 'clicks'. Farm Surtling Spawners for Charcoal...cut out 1/2 of the clicks right there! Just run over the loot.

I removed the Kiln from my forging base and installed another Smelter, useless construction for a resource that natively drops as loot....just sayin'.

I like to find 'solutions' to gaming problems...

What I have noticed in my Steam version of this program, that 20 pieces of coal only generate 9 bars/ingots, always seems to be an 'array index' miscalculation on 2 for 1...?!?? Put in 20 coal, always seeing the last chunk of ore sitting in the 'off' smelter, takes refilling to get the last ingot out. So, 20 coals do not equal 10 ingots...I find that extremely annoying...I start by filling 20 coals in the device, then put in the ores, nearly always the same, output of ingots= 9, not the 10 ores input into the device.

[Jin Shepard]

Originally posted by Quineloe:

I got a G510s Logitech which comes with 18 G-keys.

one of the G-keys is set to repeat E every 20 miliseconds. The result is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PmbSSQTCMU

In this video you can only see two button presses. Two.

Was this set up with a Script ?

Also, this is just proof that people go out of there way to make things go a bit faster, not to MAKE it faster but so they do not have to do a ''annoying'' action for a ''reward'', it is bad game design choice if this happens, that is just a fact since the making of video games.

And since it is alpha, you can bet a lot more things will get into the game that require these actions, so maybe i dont need 4 smelters, but those 3 extra will come in one form or another. Better tackle something early on then later wouldnt you say? Make a game better for release.