Balancing AI strength? (I.e. Egypt)

[spiritofthelion]

The original was my first ever computer game, and every now and then I still revisit it, so I'm really looking forward to this. But do we know if they're going to re-balance the AI for certain factions? Example is in the original Egypt would be on bloody steroids, whereas the Gauls and Germans would always fall easily to the Britons or Scythians. Particularly the Egypt issue was annoying as anything, as (if playing as a Rome faction), by the time I got to the region Egypt would have most of it, so I couldn't fight those other factions there.

[Get Donked On]

kinda egypt is what the ai does when u play on medium or lowerunit scale. the ai is very good at ruining their population making their eco suck and not getting higher lvl cities. egypts territory is just rich and fertile enough to sustain that tactic resulting in massive armies and high tier cities so you have to fight 7 or 8 armies late game. also egypt has a massive auto resolve advantage due to their chariots being valued very heavily

[Zenon]

They confirmed that there will be a rebalancing of units at least.

The main balancing issue with Egypt however was not only its units but also its starting position:

Being in the only densely populated corner of the map with a big open desert to the west, a big open sea to the north and just one faction (seleucids) as a neighbour to the east which is coincidentally also the very faction that most often is the first one to be destroyed...

(That transcontintental numidian outpost at Siwa, thousands of km/miles from where Numidia actually has most of its cities does not count)

TLDR; it will probably be op in the remaster too until we get mods which add for example Cyrene, Lybia and/or Nabateans as new factions.

Edit: And also don't forget the fact that Egypt also starts with alredy 2 wonders in their posession

Edit2: And also don't forget the fact that 3 of egypts 6 starting settlements are one of the games most fertile regions leading to explosing population counts.

Edit3: Kind of funny now that I think of it, that geographic isolation (deserts to the east, west and south, open sea to the north) was actually the reason we got that bronze age egypt and its pyramids and stuff even though they were very weak from a military standpoint most of their history. At the beginning of the timeframe the game is set in, Egypt historically controlled a huge area - even the southern anatolian coast for example and lybia - in the original they at least do not control these regions, so at least some balancing has been done.

[Get Donked On]

Originally posted by Acroneos:

They confirmed that there will be a rebalancing of units at least.
The problem with Egypt however was not only its units but also its starting positions, being in the corner of the map with a big open desert to the west, a big open sea to the north and just one faction as a neighbour to the east which is coincidentally also the very faction that most often is the first one to be destroyed... (That numidian outpost at Siwa does not count)

TLDR; it will probably be op in the remaster too until we get mods which add for example Cyrene, Lybia and/or Nabateans as new factions.

Edit: And also don't forget the fact that Egypt also starts with alredy 2 wonders in their posession

well ye one wonder is only usefull for other factions so they can keep egypt under control the other makes boats go further on the map. but yes their territory is all very rich and they start with a lot of territory too almost all on the mediterenian with high trade value and growth rate so they will out pace everyone

[had to censor my name again.]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/490990395388461088/830828633962315786/unknown.png
Nubian Spearmen have 6 MORALE in the remaster LMFAOOA


That's not a joke btw, that's 50% more than hoplites, and as much as hastatii, for a cheap militia egyptian unit.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron Raptor]

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/490990395388461088/830828633962315786/unknown.png
Nubian Spearmen have 6 MORALE in the remaster LMFAOOA


That's not a joke btw, that's 50% more than hoplites, and as much as hastatii, for a cheap militia egyptian unit.

Oh a mere trippling of morale... Unless they nerfed chariots into the ground, then Egypt is the last faction that needs buffs. You got any more stat changes?

[had to censor my name again.]

Originally posted by |Sith|Galvanized Iron:

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/490990395388461088/830828633962315786/unknown.png
Nubian Spearmen have 6 MORALE in the remaster LMFAOOA


That's not a joke btw, that's 50% more than hoplites, and as much as hastatii, for a cheap militia egyptian unit.

Oh a mere trippling of morale... Unless they nerfed chariots into the ground, then Egypt is the last faction that needs buffs. You got any more stat changes?

From what we've seen on some streams and videos, everything looks fairly similar to the OG. Even Carthage didn't get a buff.
I think scythed chariots got a slight neft iirc, but dont quote me on that

[Get Donked On]

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/490990395388461088/830828633962315786/unknown.png
Nubian Spearmen have 6 MORALE in the remaster LMFAOOA


That's not a joke btw, that's 50% more than hoplites, and as much as hastatii, for a cheap militia egyptian unit.

i mean could also be a morale buffing temple i know those are a thing just not sure if egypt had em. are you sure thats their base stats?

[had to censor my name again.]

Originally posted by Get Donked On:

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/490990395388461088/830828633962315786/unknown.png
Nubian Spearmen have 6 MORALE in the remaster LMFAOOA


That's not a joke btw, that's 50% more than hoplites, and as much as hastatii, for a cheap militia egyptian unit.

i mean could also be a morale buffing temple i know those are a thing just not sure if egypt had em. are you sure thats their base stats?

I'll take a lool, it's not impossible

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron Raptor]

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥:

Originally posted by |Sith|Galvanized Iron:

Oh a mere trippling of morale... Unless they nerfed chariots into the ground, then Egypt is the last faction that needs buffs. You got any more stat changes?

From what we've seen on some streams and videos, everything looks fairly similar to the OG. Even Carthage didn't get a buff.
I think scythed chariots got a slight neft iirc, but dont quote me on that

Originally posted by Get Donked On:

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/490990395388461088/830828633962315786/unknown.png
Nubian Spearmen have 6 MORALE in the remaster LMFAOOA


That's not a joke btw, that's 50% more than hoplites, and as much as hastatii, for a cheap militia egyptian unit.

i mean could also be a morale buffing temple i know those are a thing just not sure if egypt had em. are you sure thats their base stats?

A temple sounds plausible. But I guess it could also be some display error or a typo, since I saw a picture of hastati with 320 ammo... If we had the full picture it would be easier to tell if anything else was strange

[Jambie Lionheart]

To be honest, I always liked Egypt's balance. As the Scipii they were always the most militarily capable once they got their Pharoah's guard and archers out and they're the only eastern faction in the game that puts up a decent fight. Even Pontus don't put up so good a fight. and as Brutii, I'd often get to them right after killing off Pontus. Made for some amazing battles.

[Sad but Packin']

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/490990395388461088/830828633962315786/unknown.png
Nubian Spearmen have 6 MORALE in the remaster LMFAOOA


That's not a joke btw, that's 50% more than hoplites, and as much as hastatii, for a cheap militia egyptian unit.

If all of the non-phalanx spearmen in the game get a morale boost, it could be great (not necessarily such a big one tho), I hope the Warband unit in particular does get a big one.

Originally posted by |Sith|Galvanized Iron:

A temple sounds plausible. But I guess it could also be some display error or a typo, since I saw a picture of hastati with 320 ammo... If we had the full picture it would be easier to tell if anything else was strange

Thats the ammo of the hole unit, each soldier carries 2 pilum, so, if the unit has 160 soldiers, that happens.

[Jim Lahey]

To be fair, the main thing that is OP about Egypt is their start. Everything else is just "meh" late game. Once other factions start turning onto them with their own late units they just fall apart.

[had to censor my name again.]

Originally posted by MockThePunk:

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/490990395388461088/830828633962315786/unknown.png
Nubian Spearmen have 6 MORALE in the remaster LMFAOOA


That's not a joke btw, that's 50% more than hoplites, and as much as hastatii, for a cheap militia egyptian unit.

If all of the non-phalanx spearmen in the game get a morale boost, it could be great (not necessarily such a big one tho), I hope the Warband unit in particular does get a big one

Its only this unit though

[GreyWolf]

Good. At least game isn't like Rome 2 where you steamroll over everyone with ease

[Delta Dagger]

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