Total War: ROME REMASTERED

Total War: ROME REMASTERED

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MegaMech May 4, 2021 @ 4:36am
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I'm still scratching my head on why the game doesn't run on Windows 7 and 8.
Manually running the executable from file explorer produces an error unlike the chrome-based launcher.

The game renderer is compatible with windows 7 and 8 as it uses directX 11.

My latest theory is that they re-programmed the game in the latest version of .NET Core (.net core 5). However, Microsoft's official documentation states that .net core 5 supports windows 7 and 8.1. This disproves the developers claims that only W10 is supported. It's clear that the games major libraries and dependencies do support earlier versions of Windows. So why can't we run the game? Because they don't want us too.

What likely has happened, is that the developers hard-coded the .net libraries into the game. This means when you launch the game and it begins loading the DLLs (ntdll.dll) it cannot find the right dll's and crashes. All of .net core is made to automatically choose the right dll for the right system. Developers can override this though (It's not recommended as it's bad practice and ruins stability). And no, you cannot drag and drop a windows 10 dll into windows 8.1 as you'll end up with a never ending chain of missing dependencies eventually leading to a missing OS feature/update.

The surprising part is that the renderer was made with DX11 instead of DX12. If they insist that only windows 10 should be used, why did they not use dx12? It's a bit of a tease, and slightly insulting. If they really have been working on this port since forever-ago, then they've likely had this running on windows 8.1 or 7 at some point in time.

From a financial perspective, supporting windows 7 and 8.1 is a monetary beneficial for the developers. Most gamers still run windows 7 (Me being the last person on windows 8.1 but for good reason) and as such they make more sales by having the game run on more systems. There are likely tens of thousands if not millions of people still using windows 7. The one significant feature the devs decided to skip was the one that makes them profit. How ironic.
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Mayer May 4, 2021 @ 4:44am 
I don't get why they would do such a thing, is RTW:R a Microsoft exclusive, designed to make Win 10 more attractive? No, it also runs on macOS and Linux.
MegaMech May 4, 2021 @ 4:56am 
Originally posted by Mayer:
I don't get why they would do such a thing, is RTW:R a Microsoft exclusive, designed to make Win 10 more attractive? No, it also runs on macOS and Linux.
Exactly, and we don't even have the option to use Vulkan on windows 10. They tested eight differing macbooks for support. Yet they didn't take the time to test w7 or w8. Plus, when this was released it didn't even work on the latest version of W10.

The devs exasperation at the many users complaining about the lack of W7 support simply shows how out of touch Sega or Feral is with modern gaming and the proper approach to computing; user control. Blizzard literally paid Microsoft (likely millions of dollars) for a Windows 7 DX12 patch so that World of Warcraft would run on Windows 7. That's how important Windows 7 is to gaming. RTW:R does not even have the excuse of implementing new technical features that older operating systems do not support. Their only excuse is time and money which they will have wasted more of when they go back to the programmers asking for them to add w7 support which should have been in their priorities from the beginning.
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MegaMech May 4, 2021 @ 5:02am 
I suppose it is worth mentioning: The latest versions of DX11 do have extra features that Windows 7 does not support but Windows 8.1 does support. The most significant is DXGI low-latency swap chains. I don't see how that feature would be necessary for RTW and an experienced gfx programmer can likely create a fall-back for Windows 7 users in ten minutes to an hour. However, there's no evidence that the renderer is related to why the game won't run. Windows 7 users visualizing the game one frame behind is insignificant. I doubt RTW even uses low-latency swap chains.
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General Idea May 4, 2021 @ 5:06am 
Why didn't you read the specifications beforehand before buying? If you knew this game was updated for Win 10 and not Win 7 or 8 then why didn't you update accordingly? You are welcome to get a refund even after you made the mistake according to Feral Interactive so there shouldn't be a problem.
Captain Custard May 4, 2021 @ 5:08am 
Time waits for no man
Ed May 4, 2021 @ 5:11am 
Originally posted by General Idea:
You are welcome to get a refund even after you made the mistake according to Feral Interactive so there shouldn't be a problem.

In lots of other situations, there would be no refund option, just a case of buyer beware. Otherwise known as read the small print.
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MegaMech May 4, 2021 @ 5:13am 
Originally posted by General Idea:
Why didn't you read the specifications beforehand before buying? If you knew this game was updated for Win 10 and not Win 7 or 8 then why didn't you update accordingly? You are welcome to get a refund even after you made the mistake according to Feral Interactive so there shouldn't be a problem.
"Win 10 and not Win 7 or 8"
The system requirements do claim that windows 7 and windows 8 are supported because DX11 is supported. If you read my technical explanation, you'll know that there's no good reason for RTW to not run on windows 7 or 8.1.

Game companies don't decide what their games run on. User-bases do.
Most gamers are still on Windows 7 for a variety of reasons: User control and customization, less bloatware, less spyware, speed, good control panel, a working searchbar, no forced updates, few to no OS bugs/crashes, no half-baked forced updates that delete your files or crash your computer, etc. The better question is? Why are you still on Windows 10? It's a downgrade not an upgrade. I'm on WIndows 8.1 because it uses 10% less system resources than W7 and W10 most of the good things that W10 has without any of its design flaws. W10 may send every keypress to Microsoft. Imagine working on private tax data and someone at Microsoft could be looking at that. Huge security risk.

Why did I buy it? Because not running on W7 and W8.1 isn't excusable. If this was a VR game that used the latest W10 technical features. Then sure. RTW isn't that. All they're doing is hurting their own financial gain. Even if you have W10, you can't even run the game on Vulkan instead of DX11 or they don't tell us how. They've done a silly pedantic versioning system for no reason.
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$ini$ter-NL May 4, 2021 @ 5:23am 
System Requirements

MINIMUM:
OS: Windows 10 64-bit (version 1809)
General Idea May 4, 2021 @ 5:24am 
Originally posted by Ed:
Originally posted by General Idea:
You are welcome to get a refund even after you made the mistake according to Feral Interactive so there shouldn't be a problem.

In lots of other situations, there would be no refund option, just a case of buyer beware. Otherwise known as read the small print.

I agree. It's not as if they've hidden the specification for the game away from prying eyes and was on full display as a Windows 10 compatible game prior to release

He has no excuse to be whinging and whining when he knows fully well that he needs to adapt or be left behind.
General Idea May 4, 2021 @ 5:27am 
Originally posted by MegaMech:
Originally posted by General Idea:
Why didn't you read the specifications beforehand before buying? If you knew this game was updated for Win 10 and not Win 7 or 8 then why didn't you update accordingly? You are welcome to get a refund even after you made the mistake according to Feral Interactive so there shouldn't be a problem.
"Win 10 and not Win 7 or 8"
The system requirements do claim that windows 7 and windows 8 are supported because DX11 is supported. If you read my technical explanation, you'll know that there's no good reason for RTW to not run on windows 7 or 8.1.

Game companies don't decide what their games run on. User-bases do.
Most gamers are still on Windows 7 for a variety of reasons: User control and customization, less bloatware, less spyware, speed, good control panel, a working searchbar, no forced updates, few to no OS bugs/crashes, no half-baked forced updates that delete your files or crash your computer, etc. The better question is? Why are you still on Windows 10? It's a downgrade not an upgrade. I'm on WIndows 8.1 because it uses 10% less system resources than W7 and W10 most of the good things that W10 has without any of its design flaws. W10 may send every keypress to Microsoft. Imagine working on private tax data and someone at Microsoft could be looking at that. Huge security risk.

Why did I buy it? Because not running on W7 and W8.1 isn't excusable. If this was a VR game that used the latest W10 technical features. Then sure. RTW isn't that. All they're doing is hurting their own financial gain. Even if you have W10, you can't even run the game on Vulkan instead of DX11 or they don't tell us how. They've done a silly pedantic versioning system for no reason.
Other than the plain fact they did tell you in advance and it is not their fault you are unobservant of the game specifications and system requirements.

What is this some kind of joke post or something? You can't be serious!
MegaMech May 4, 2021 @ 5:29am 
Originally posted by Ed:
In lots of other situations, there would be no refund option, just a case of buyer beware. Otherwise known as read the small print.
This isn't true at all. Steam has had a refund system since its inception and has even pulled many games from Steam due to false advertising and other issues. Even triple A titles have been pulled from Steam. Even Nintendo does refunds.

He has no excuse to be whinging and whining when he knows fully well that he needs to adapt or be left behind.
Left behind. Ha, you'll be feeling stupid the next time you're effected by a Windows 10 update bug that bricks your PC or deletes files.
What I am advocating for are very basic expectations for a video game. In the W95 and W98 era games ran seamlessly between the two systems. These changes would directly benefited Windows 10 users too btw, you having access to Vulkan on the windows 10 platform is a good thing not a bad thing.
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Red Spot May 4, 2021 @ 5:32am 
Originally posted by MegaMech:
Originally posted by General Idea:
Why didn't you read the specifications beforehand before buying? If you knew this game was updated for Win 10 and not Win 7 or 8 then why didn't you update accordingly? You are welcome to get a refund even after you made the mistake according to Feral Interactive so there shouldn't be a problem.
"Win 10 and not Win 7 or 8"
The system requirements do claim that windows 7 and windows 8 are supported because DX11 is supported. If you read my technical explanation, you'll know that there's no good reason for RTW to not run on windows 7 or 8.1.

Game companies don't decide what their games run on. User-bases do.
Most gamers are still on Windows 7 for a variety of reasons:

What a bunch of nonsense.
Requirements never claimed anything beyond W10, that you believed you could get it to run on W7 'cause it uses DX11' ... yeah, and W10 ...

Yes game companies do decide what their games are developed on. If you can get it to run on an unsupported OS, great, nothing has been decided by you.
Most gamers clearly have moved to W10, not even interested in where you found your idea that most gamers are still on W7.
MegaMech May 4, 2021 @ 5:32am 
Originally posted by General Idea:
What is this some kind of joke post or something? You can't be serious!
Again, from a programming perspective there are no legitimate reasons why Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 cannot be supported. I've listed a significant number of reasons why the majority of the gamers use Windows 7 and why it's superior to Windows 10. If you can't comprehend my arguments then shoo as you're not contributing to discussion.
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Ed May 4, 2021 @ 5:33am 
Originally posted by MegaMech:
This isn't true at all. Steam has had a refund system since its inception and has even pulled many games from Steam due to false advertising and other issues.

I know about Steam. Steam is somewhat unusual. I'm talking about purchasing situations in general, buying products generally. You would not be offered a refund in many situations for your failure to actually check what you're buying first before you part with your money. Heard of caveat emptor?

With digital purchases elsewhere, in many cases the small print will say once you've purchased this download, that's it, you cannot "return" it.
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MegaMech May 4, 2021 @ 5:35am 
Originally posted by Red Spot:
Yes game companies do decide what their games are developed on.
Alright, so when was the last time a modern game company made a game that supports game-gear? None. Because nobody plays game gear. You clearly don't comprehend supply and demand nor have you looked at statistics. Blizzard would not have paid Microsoft millions of dollars if the majority of gamers were not on Windows 7.
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