I'm sad...

[Leonem]

I need to express this...

I was thinking about replaying an old favorite of mine since it's been so long and the fact that I have to play the 1998 version because Capcom couldn't have been bothered to please the actual fans of the franchise and make a proper remaster like what they did with the first game, instead of making a nauseaous over-the-shoulder remake, is just heart shattering to be honest.

RE Remastered and RE0 Remastered were perfect and I really just don't freaking care about these versions of RE2 and RE3. And we'll probably never get a remastered edition of these games, as they should have been in the first place.

Despite the popularity and despite how these games sold, it doesn't really matter because it's not the point... it's not the game "I" wanted and, if anyone who played the games back in the days and got fond memories of them, it's not what "we" wanted either. It can't only be just me.

Even if old fans still enjoyed these games in a way or another, even if these remakes do indeed look beautiful, even if they bring you back to all these locations with all the characters and enemies, it's just not the same thing. It's just really not what it should have been.

You can tell me that I have to get with the times, you can tell me that It's only nostalgia googles, when it's not, because I enjoyed playing the remastered first game and prequel, it doesn't matter, because the only way to enjoy these old classics right now is to find, in a way or another, and pop up the 1998 and 1999 versions, which, to add another thing, aren't even available on Steam.

And that's pretty much it.

[12InchParadise]

You are just riding high on nostalgia, nothing more.
Games from 90s and 2000s will never be as popular. Their tech is limited, polish is rarely there, and most of them are bad.
The new re2 is an incredible, polished, visually appealing, and an exciting experience.
The old re2 is just old, slow, sluggish, and with ton of camera issues.
I'm a gamer from (most likely) your generation as well and I can't stand the old games. They lack substance.
Can't wait for them (speaking in general) to modernize Metal Gear 1.

[anotherland]

Originally posted by 12InchParadise:

You are just riding high on nostalgia, nothing more.....

Originally posted by Leonem:

You can tell me that I have to get with the times, you can tell me that It's only nostalgia googles, when it's not, because I enjoyed playing the remastered first game and prequel, it doesn't matter, because the only way to enjoy these old classics right now is to find, in a way or another, and pop up the 1998 and 1999 versions, which, to add another thing, aren't even available on Steam.

And that's pretty much it.

:UmbrellaLogo:

He even called you out before you typed that lame nostalgia excuse. Everyone types that to people with this opinion. "Re2 is an incredible....blah blah blah" It's, just alright to me and to the OP.

[SunnyC]

i kinda agree, but i do really like the tofu mode. the labs and claire's classic costume in the remake were a disappointment.

[hip]

RE0 is one of the worst games in this series. Its right there at the bottom along with Umbrella Corps and Opperation RC but people are so blinded by the fact that it uses pre-rendered backgrounds + tank controls that they think RE0 is good just because of that.

This remake defecates on that garbage.

[Lynfinity]

Originally posted by Leonem:

...it's just not the same thing...

Yeah, and it will never be, because fixed camera angles and tank controls are a thing of a past. There's no other solution than to deal with it and move on.

[MIND ЯEWIND 2]

welcome to the club of disappointed resident evil veterans

[Waiting to Visit Japan (^.-)]

If a game makes you sad your life is much too easy.

You need to DO something meaningful.
Maybe helping others will give you a feeling of joy.

[AguilaDeAcero]

I loved this game, but I can agree with OP too. Because this is a "reinterpretation" of RE2 it's not the "same" game.
But yeah if you wanted the same game with better graphics or content.. I can see why op feels that way.

[V I D A L]

The old one still exist and can still be played. There is a pretty incredible fan made remaster that is probably better than what Capcom would have done if they had remastered the original.

[beebee73]

Originally posted by V I D A L:

The old one still exist and can still be played. There is a pretty incredible fan made remaster that is probably better than what Capcom would have done if they had remastered the original.

The fan made remaster is that the one from Residence of Evil? I've seen vids but not how you can play. Anyone have a link?
And can you also play as Jill? I just saw Chris in the videos.

[V I D A L]

Originally posted by beebee73:

Originally posted by V I D A L:

The old one still exist and can still be played. There is a pretty incredible fan made remaster that is probably better than what Capcom would have done if they had remastered the original.

The fan made remaster is that the one from Residence of Evil? I've seen vids but not how you can play. Anyone have a link?
And can you also play as Jill? I just saw Chris in the videos.

Here. Is the one that upscale all the pre-rendered background using AI upscaler to make it look HD. It's awesome. You play it by using the GC version on Dolphin emulator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4a23TgpFb0

Link for the mod
https://www.reshdp.com/re2/

[Illusion of Progress]

I would absolutely LOVE proper remaster of Resident Evil 2 and 3 like how the original got. Same goes for Final Fantasy IX (and I guess VII and VIII, but VII is getting a full scale remake so not sure). These older original PlayStation games that used 2D background assets suffer heavily in the HD era because 320 x 224/240 or so just doesn't scale up too far without suffering.

That being said, I absolutely LOVED this remake too. The remake for Resident Evil 3 was a bit of a disappointment, but not totally awful, coming from someone who loved the original Resident Evil 3. If they had instead made it like they did this one, I'd have been happier.

I'd also love remasters, but that flavor of game fell far out of favor and wouldn't sell as well. It's why modern Resident Evil didn't entirely go back to the formula of the original titles even after they changed focus after the 4 through 6 trilogy.

[bilingord]

I Understand You. In 2020 I Play RE 1 remake 2002 and rigth afther RE 2 remake and RE3 remake. I Enjoyed the 3 games a lot, actually I have replay the remakes twice already. The thing I miss from the 90s versión it is the sort of suspence ambience that engloves the Clasic RE Games. But It is also true that Is hard to be surprised by a game you already know soo well.

A First Play of RE classics will trigger a lot of questions that playing the remake will not. I miss the músic a lot to in RE2 and RE3. Anywhay I Think it is better to seek a diferent tipe of game and experience doing this remakes rather than just copy exactly the original. I think they do it rigth.

It is sad to play original RE 1 2 AND 3 you have to seek an emulator and a ROM that works. If I will be capcom I will lunch them for free for some aniversary or incluide them for free when you buy any of the remakes,

[Leonem]

Originally posted by xsirbelmont:

He even called you out before you typed that lame nostalgia excuse. Everyone types that to people with this opinion. "Re2 is an incredible....blah blah blah" It's, just alright to me and to the OP.

This.

Originally posted by Hipocondria:

RE0 is one of the worst games in this series. Its right there at the bottom along with Umbrella Corps and Opperation RC but people are so blinded by the fact that it uses pre-rendered backgrounds + tank controls that they think RE0 is good just because of that.

This remake defecates on that garbage.

It may be one of the worst but hey, at least it's better than 4-5-6.
The game is still fun to play and looks amazing.

Originally posted by Wanna sleep on A2's thighs:

Yeah, and it will never be, because fixed camera angles and tank controls are a thing of a past. There's no other solution than to deal with it and move on.

But they're not a thing of the past in reality. That's just what you want to think and use as an excuse to defend the, let's be honest, worst point of view in the history of gaming.

It's just a different style of gameplay and that's it.

Saying that classic survival horror is a thing of the past is like saying platformers are a thing of the past. Or saying that Stealth is a thing of the past because Ubisoft did the same crap as Capcom with RE but with its Splinter Cell franchise, while there's still amazing platformers and stealth games out there.

You can't dismiss a whole genre like that.

If you dislike Survival Horror, that's fine.
Just don't come and try to bullsh*t us.

Originally posted by bdn:

welcome to the club of disappointed resident evil veterans

This.

Originally posted by STAND WITH TAIWAN & HONG KONG!:

If a game makes you sad your life is much too easy.

You need to DO something meaningful.
Maybe helping others will give you a feeling of joy.

Nice deflection here.

As if I can't just have an opinion and feelings about something specific that I like and enjoy, or used to like and enjoy. As if I can't be happy and enjoy anything because I have an opinion on something

Get off your high moralistic horse.

Also, you probably have something better and more constructive to do than come read me and write here anyway, if we follow your line of thoughts...

Originally posted by AguilaDeAcero:

I loved this game, but I can agree with OP too. Because this is a "reinterpretation" of RE2 it's not the "same" game.
But yeah if you wanted the same game with better graphics or content.. I can see why op feels that way.

This.

Originally posted by V I D A L:

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Thanks for the infos, i'll take a look for sure! This looks promising. Sure, it's not a full blown remake but if it makes the game cleaner on modern hardware, why not!

Originally posted by bilingord:

The thing I miss from the 90s versión it is the sort of suspence ambience that engloves the Clasic RE Games.

This. There's something so special, an enjoyable dreadfulness that you only get with great horror medias. There's just something about navigating these sceneries that can only be felt with these old classic games, like Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Eternal Darkness... The atmophere, the anxiety, the tension, the sens of discovery and unravel...

Originally posted by bilingord:

If I will be capcom I will lunch them for free for some aniversary or incluide them for free when you buy any of the remakes,

Forcing us to buy the remakes to get the old games would absolutely add insult to injury...
They should just release them for 9.99 as is and that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Sm Izumi]

Saying the RE2 Remake is a masterpiece is really an insult to the OG and video games in general.

RE2R was legit in dev hell for years, they didn't finished the game period, there's a whole scenario cut off the game, there's whole cutscenes cut off the game. People are so blind they can't even process the fact that their game is not even finished.

Aside from the heel turn from classic tank control that totally isn't an issue, i mean grow up some day ? it's clearly not adapted to modern standards now. The music is totally failed and absent in the game but we have a random mix of the old tracks that somewhat save this but the horror ambiance is definitely dead too.

So yeah first, they lied about writing the characters to be more realistic and horrific, just imagine a good team of RE fans writting this to be something better than a funny idiotic horror B movie ? Wonderful idea ! imagine all the possibilities, the feelings you can convey now with new engines and cutscenes.....

Nah ♥♥♥♥ that, let's just make Leon a random Ass rambo caricature with an instagram face model that have literally no feelings, he's just there and carry the thing like it's no problem. Claire is just the same, only difference is, she a gurl, a strong gurl, there for Chris and have no chemestry with any other characters despite maybe sherry, Irons is now comically "bad hitler" nothing more they managed to make this character sillier than the B series 1998 counterpart, Ben is not even here, who's Ben ? you could put a monkey in the cage that would've been the same, Marvin is completely failed and remember the interviews, they promised he'd be more fleshed out hahahahaha what a joke, Sherry is the only "OK" character, despite having a scripted segment that is boring as hell she's at least better written than the OG, let's say less annoying and obnoxious. Ada is changing nationality between all the episodes, here she's a cute Kpop girl, i got nothing to say about her, they failed her gameplay version with less to explore, less cutscenes, she's almost as useless as Ben here i mean c'mon.

Their scenarios are lies, you had 4 scenarios, new story branches and cutscenes with shuffles and unique Bosses in the PS1 game in 1998 !!!!

In remake, you have 1 scenario that Mix their 2 unfinished scenarios A+B together where they did cut the final encounter just so you think their second scenario is ""NEW"" when it's just a quickly rushed new game + with slightly altered stuff that a kid could do in the scripting, those are simple triggers changed.

I find this insulting but the only reason i gave it a pass is because the team was in dev hell for years and almost ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it up. Also i did pay this game 5 bucks so it's fine.

This is why i gave up on RE3R which is an even bigger insult, that this time, some people with 2 brain cells started to finally realize they're being scammed.

Graphically it's not pretty despite the billions of options they give you in it, i don't know, color grading is other worldly, from hot colors to cold colors from a room to the next, light is also magic, sometimes it's working perfectly in a room and the next one that need to be "Spoooooooky" it suddenly lights nothing. It's poor/lazy color grading to me.

The models aren't very well handled with reflections, i can see the mirrors have true hate of reflections, on PS4 you can even say it's an hommage to the 1998 pixel graphics xD The zombies are clonned more than a beat 'em up, you can clearely see why though with that amazing damage you can inflict on them but their engine sucks or the console ports forced them to downgrade everything i don't know.

Might also be the reason why zombies aren't damaged realisticly anymore on RE3R and that their Online games look like garbage that they try to salvage this by using silly cel shading effect.

The only reason i play RE2R game a lot is because of the Billions of mods they made on it, randomizers etc... It's always a pleasure to do this game again cause it's pretty solid in its level design and simplistic gameplay, it's short too, the strongest point of all Resident evil games making it a quick game to re-run.

There's just no challenge and Hardcore modes are literally is the normal modes of old school Survival games wich is a shame. Gamers are now normies so i get the point of doing abysmally easy casual trash difficulties, i don't mind them but i want my HARDCORE mode bruh.