Why do speedrunners pause the screen right after Elliot cutscene?

[Diamond Girls]

I've seen most players (not only speedrunners) do this stuff before the police zombie come in and the time is usually at 2:06

[talgaby]

Once the door banging animation starts, its timer starts to tick down regardless. By pausing, you stop the in-game timer but the door one is ticking, so once you unpause, the zombie immediately busts in and you can slip past it.

This works with all door-busting zombie instances, albeit it is the only one a speedrunner should ever meet.

[Diamond Girls]

Oh wow. That's one impressive trick. Thank u as always.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by talgaby:

Once the door banging animation starts, its timer starts to tick down regardless. By pausing, you stop the in-game timer but the door one is ticking, so once you unpause, the zombie immediately busts in and you can slip past it.

This works with all door-busting zombie instances, albeit it is the only one a speedrunner should ever meet.

Hmm that's a bit weird because I've seen Darkness's speedruns and he never uses such a thing all he does is stand by the table by the door so when it bursts in he's already out! Plus can something legitmately be called a "speedrun" if you pause said run?

[Ameto]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Plus can something legitmately be called a "speedrun" if you pause said run?

Pausing being allowed happened because you have to do so in order to skip a scene, and also because it allows for people with less capable PCs to change the settings on the fly and be able to compete properly. Every game has its own speedrunning rules because of gameplay and timing mechanics, and that is what RE2R community agreed on, so I don't see what you're on about.

[Diamond Girls]

Originally posted by Ameto:

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Plus can something legitmately be called a "speedrun" if you pause said run?

Pausing being allowed happened because you have to do so in order to skip a scene, and also because it allows for people with less capable PCs to change the settings on the fly and be able to compete properly. Every game has its own speedrunning rules because of gameplay and timing mechanics, and that is what RE2R community agreed on, so I don't see what you're on about.

That pause right before the door is really interesting. It takes a while b4 the zombie open the door and pause speeds that up. I wish i knew this trick before. I always have a habit of waiting the zombies to open the door.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by Ameto:

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Plus can something legitmately be called a "speedrun" if you pause said run?

Pausing being allowed happened because you have to do so in order to skip a scene, and also because it allows for people with less capable PCs to change the settings on the fly and be able to compete properly. Every game has its own speedrunning rules because of gameplay and timing mechanics, and that is what RE2R community agreed on, so I don't see what you're on about.

I just recall a few speedruns being reconsidered as cheated runs because they were spliced in some way on official speedrun websites resulting in the poster being banned hence why I said legitmately.

[Crimsonbok]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Hmm that's a bit weird because I've seen Darkness's speedruns and he never uses such a thing all he does is stand by the table by the door so when it bursts in he's already out!

There's a difference between a speedrun and a guide to beat a game quickly. The purpose of Darkness' guides is just to help viewers get the S+ rank. Speedrunners will fight against RNG, restart when things don't go their way and use everything they can just to shave off a few seconds off of their time. A trick which saves maybe a minute isn't going to help a casual player that much in the long run.

[Wyrtt]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Originally posted by Ameto:

Pausing being allowed happened because you have to do so in order to skip a scene, and also because it allows for people with less capable PCs to change the settings on the fly and be able to compete properly. Every game has its own speedrunning rules because of gameplay and timing mechanics, and that is what RE2R community agreed on, so I don't see what you're on about.

I just recall a few speedruns being reconsidered as cheated runs because they were spliced in some way on official speedrun websites resulting in the poster being banned hence why I said legitmately.

I dont get how exactly you managed to follow up pausing with splicing. You do know that those words mean 2 different things?

[Diamond Girls]

Originally posted by Wyrtt:

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

I just recall a few speedruns being reconsidered as cheated runs because they were spliced in some way on official speedrun websites resulting in the poster being banned hence why I said legitmately.

I dont get how exactly you managed to follow up pausing with splicing. You do know that those words mean 2 different things?

I'll answer that for u. When u pause, depending on your recorder, you can pause it as well. Like OBS recorder. But SRT and Livesplit negate that method, cause the miliseconds in both continue to move during pause (not running, but moving) so you can easily tell if it's spliced.

The problem is if the run recorded has no SRT and Livesplit overlayed. Maybe the speedrun moderators has the way to tell the difference. Otherwise, they will require the overlays.

I've spliced my 1st speedrun unintentionally. The mods rejected it.

[Wyrtt]

Originally posted by Diamond Girls:

Originally posted by Wyrtt:

I dont get how exactly you managed to follow up pausing with splicing. You do know that those words mean 2 different things?

I'll answer that for u. When u pause, depending on your recorder, you can pause it as well. Like OBS recorder. But SRT and Livesplit negate that method, cause the miliseconds in both continue to move during pause (not running, but moving) so you can easily tell if it's spliced.

The problem is if the run recorded has no SRT and Livesplit overlayed. Maybe the speedrun moderators has the way to tell the difference. Otherwise, they will require the overlays.

I've spliced my 1st speedrun unintentionally. The mods rejected it.

Splicing was working ages ago, Nowadays its quite easy to tell te difference.

[Diamond Girls]

Originally posted by Wyrtt:

Originally posted by Diamond Girls:

I'll answer that for u. When u pause, depending on your recorder, you can pause it as well. Like OBS recorder. But SRT and Livesplit negate that method, cause the miliseconds in both continue to move during pause (not running, but moving) so you can easily tell if it's spliced.

The problem is if the run recorded has no SRT and Livesplit overlayed. Maybe the speedrun moderators has the way to tell the difference. Otherwise, they will require the overlays.

I've spliced my 1st speedrun unintentionally. The mods rejected it.

Splicing was working ages ago, Nowadays its quite easy to tell te difference.

Then tell me if I did splice this or not

https://youtu.be/urrL_pL_5kM

[Wyrtt]

Originally posted by Diamond Girls:

Originally posted by Wyrtt:

Splicing was working ages ago, Nowadays its quite easy to tell te difference.

Then tell me if I did splice this or not

https://youtu.be/urrL_pL_5kM

They use tools to check entire video track, chech for positions and movement of coursors, animation specific to each game and etc. You can just watch how speedruns get validated nowadays.
Ofc Im not going to see anything unless Im into speedruning specific game without tools to do so,

[Diamond Girls]

Originally posted by Wyrtt:

Originally posted by Diamond Girls:

Then tell me if I did splice this or not

https://youtu.be/urrL_pL_5kM

They use tools to check entire video track, chech for positions and movement of coursors, animation specific to each game and etc. You can just watch how speedruns get validated nowadays.
Ofc Im not going to see anything unless Im into speedruning specific game without tools to do so,

That explains it well. Thank u.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by Diamond Girls:

Originally posted by Wyrtt:

They use tools to check entire video track, chech for positions and movement of coursors, animation specific to each game and etc. You can just watch how speedruns get validated nowadays.
Ofc Im not going to see anything unless Im into speedruning specific game without tools to do so,

That explains it well. Thank u.

There's even other tells as well such as file changes and (just learn this) input changes like in DOOM speedruns since the input changes can be publicly viewed from demos even the extremely old games like Mario 64 if I remember correctly had cheated speedruns.

[Diamond Girls]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Originally posted by Diamond Girls:

That explains it well. Thank u.

There's even other tells as well such as file changes and (just learn this) input changes like in DOOM speedruns since the input changes can be publicly viewed from demos even the extremely old games like Mario 64 if I remember correctly had cheated speedruns.

Maybe it's safe to say that there are approved illegitimate speedruns in RE2R by moderators and maybe they didn't catch it cheating. It happens.