Can the developers please make an official Arachnophibia setting?

[Jaecp]

I only have 30 hours in but started getting able to go to the Jungle and I just can't keep playing the game. I decided to try just going east and explore other stuff when I found a levitatum potion and started going past the desert only to find... another spider in a temple of some sort.

Please, devs, I love this game! I love the mechanics! The spell stuff! The pixels being individually done! Its all amazing!

I just like... can't handle spiders. Please make something which lets people like me play without having to disable achievements and make the game easier by modding these enemies out :)

I managed to get to the end boss (which didnt trigger my arachnophobia) on my 5th run by accident (teleport on damage perk) and my first interaction with the lukki was the perk. Now every time I open a chest I get the bad kind of nervous and I just want to be able to enjoy this wonderful game sans spiders :) I had been just restarting whenever I beat the zone just before Jungle but then I had a lukki chest and just...... ahhhhhhhh

[mb3]

Ok, Ozan, your being a little ridiculous with your legless analogy. A legless person can't decide to just not get around if he wants too, he still needs to move to accomplish things, You can easily choose to not play Noita and it would never affect you in the slightest. I didn't even read through the rest of your comment because that was so silly. Come back to reality.

[desrtfox071]

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Projection is a bad thing to do whether you're the OP or the quoted person above.

The spiders aren't real. They are pixels. Trying to compare this to a symbol, which is real based on the image itself, is pretty laughable and sick.

Also, from experience, I can tell you and the OP that shrinking from the challenges in life that one faces merely servers to paint yourself into an ever decreasing corner of existence, eventually leading to a tiny, diminished life that you allow yourself to live. Instead, yes, you should be pushing past your irrational phobias and make attempts to control them, lest they control you.

From someone who does have anxieties and phobias. Instead of trying to force the world to accommodate your fears or challenges, push back and widen your world. It will not laud you for being the best victim.

There will be people that try to tell you that avoiding your issues is the way to go, but they aren't your friends, they are your enablers. Your friends will tell you, through tough love, that you need to face those challenges and push back to widen your world, not shrink from it.

If the devs want to support this, that's their decision, but it's not to much to ask a person to push past their phobia. Ask how they got it. Proceed to diminish it and overcome the setback you/they have. Expecting the world to accommodate your diminished and fragile expectations is, in my opinion, a bit entitled and immature. YMMV.

"The spiders aren't real. They are pixels. Trying to compare this to a symbol, which is real based on the image itself, is pretty laughable and sick." = Spiders aren't real because they're pixels but a symbol of an already fallen country of tragedy is real despite being pixels. That's one contradicting thought there. What's pretty laughable and sick is, thinking that, if something is in pixels or inks on the paper, it's not real.

"You should be pushing past your irrational phobias and make attempts to control them"
How can you assume I don't? And why is that a reason to not reach a little hand out to add a simple game setting? Just because a person doesn't have legs yet he/she tries their best to work their body out and be able to move around as fast as a normal walking people, do they not deserve a simple chair, or even an uncomfy platform with simple circles to be able to transport around?

"You should be pushing past your irrational phobias"
Do you know what exactly "irrational" means? It means "not logical or reasonable". Do you know what "reason" means? It's the thing or things that lead to what we say "result". If there's an extreme result and there's no reason, a.k.a if it's irrational, a.k.a if there's no steering wheel of the vehicle, how are you supposed to "push past"? Do you think, a fear without reasons, could be overcame by searching for it's reasons?
This is not fear, which is induced for survival instinct purposes that triggers you into fight or flight, it is irrational fair that completely remains you helpless and paralyzed.
What you're trying to say is like telling a paralyzed person who's trying their best to move to push past and how they shouldn't expect world to help them.

"it's not to much to ask a person to push past their phobia"
It's not too afford to ask a person to push past their phobia, but it's too much to afford for that person to push past their phobie just to be able to play a single game.

"Projection is a bad thing to do"
I hope you do not use this argument against all people who suffer of problems when it's invalid in your opinion.

"From someone who does have anxieties and phobias."
Even if you lose your legs, arms and get through a lot and survive, that doesn't mean you're a privileged speaker on how other people who go through the same should react the same way or shouldn't get medical attention or a little help hand from society.

"YMMV"
That's another contradiction by expecting people to react the same way with you to certain problems.

"Instead of trying to force the world to accommodate your fears or challenges"
First of all, a simple arachnophobia setting is seen in games, really, I'm not kidding. It's not a big effort either, nor is it actually starting a campaign and forcing people to do bad things. Do you think people who have autism, schizophrenia and even worse illnesses are not trying to do their best? But do you think they try to force the world to help them when they just get a little bit of recognizition or help?

"There will be people that try to tell you that avoiding your issues"
I assure you, I do not. Nor do I try to avoid my solveable and rational issues. What makes me sick is society acts like we're in a war and we shouldn't be wanting anything good or even just a little help, like if helping and loving each other is a scarce resource. Love is seemingly what lacks in you throughout this way, speculating by your comment, do not take it too seriously if it's the other way around.

"It will not laud you for being the best victim."
Can I not just say that you're trying to project here that I'm in a victim psychology just for wanting a little attentive behavior on arachnophobia despite how invalidating and hostile you all are behaving?

"in my opinion, a bit entitled and immature."
What's immature is trying to insult or humiliate in an "intellectual" way by unnecessarily expanding simple sentences and adding unnecessary assumptions and judgements that are not up to you, yet still hiding in distinguished gentleman suit. That's like trying to smash a whole big rock on the head, and then jump back as if you haven't done that. No, don't hide behind "in my opinion", that's just "in my prejudice and insults" at this point. Honestly I do not care if you come and scream out a really big f you. Just do it directly and honestly, overcome the distinguished gentleman behaviors and be honest here, show your real level and manner.


Yeah, Bible 2 and stuff. But that's the result of trying to compress complicated things into simplified sentences with insult in it, do not expect any less.

Yeah, it's a game. Get a grip. Your sense of outrage (on behalf of the OP I guess?) isn't very compelling either. In fact, I feel like it underscores my point about self control somewhat.

It's my opinion that the request, while polite overall is somewhat entitled and immature.

The spiders in Noita aren't real. They can't hurt anyone. They aren't even realistically portrayed. Again the devs will obviously do what they feel like.

And before you try to take your ridiculous moral high road again, yes, this is coming from someone who has dealt with/deals with depression, anxiety, anxiety attacks, and phobias as well. (No, I won't be going into details) Do I have it all solved? Nope. Do I let such things control my life? Nope. Do I push my issues on others? Absolutely not unless there is no other way possible. Would I do such a thing over a game? No.

The OP would benefit, in my opinion, from less coddling, and more effort and self inspection as well as assistance to expand the horizons that he or she allows for themselves, rather than being encouraged to hide in a cave, metaphorically.

This is my opinion. Other opinions are available.

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Ok, Ozan, your being a little ridiculous with your legless analogy. A legless person can't decide to just not get around if he wants too, he still needs to move to accomplish things, You can easily choose to not play Noita and it would never affect you in the slightest. I didn't even read through the rest of your comment because that was so silly. Come back to reality.

Analogy is made to make you grasp things in a different view, or make you understand by simpler and more obvious approaching. I have lots of perspectives on life dude. Even what you suggest, I include them, yes I have both mine and yours of perspective, and more on. But you seem to be strictly locked into yours own and can't look in anyway else. What's ridiculous here is how you all need lots of analogies to gain a newer sight on it and get rid of your thoughts of promoting helplessness.

"You can easily choose to not play Noita and it would never affect you in the slightest." as you can guess, I don't choose that way, I want to play Noita so bad, do you think I would even be commenting here if I chose to not play Noita? I mean, even just commenting here so they can add a setting, isn't that an attempt to begin with? If there's one thing harder, my arachnophobia might end one day but you guys will always remain with the same ideas and thoughts unless the popular mindset changes.

"Come back to reality." and I'm not going to trust one's grasp of reality, who can simplify literal human brain into very simple conclusions, who cannot accept anything besides their opinion, whose majority of arguments are just plain insults or low-effort assumptions and irrelevant conclusions made on them. I'm better in my reality where I've got multiple perspectives and I constantly improve my thoughts and ideas instead of your boring reality where anything else is completely irrelevant. Even if you can simplify complicated problems, just leave people alone and don't assume others have a brain as simple and fixable as yours.

None of these sentences are made to be irrelevant with what you said. Come and "face" with your counter-arguments or just leave and run away, except people to compensate for you. If you couldn't guess you could conclude with long texts, that's absolutely your fault. Should've been an open-minded instead of hostile.

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"The spiders aren't real. They are pixels. Trying to compare this to a symbol, which is real based on the image itself, is pretty laughable and sick." = Spiders aren't real because they're pixels but a symbol of an already fallen country of tragedy is real despite being pixels. That's one contradicting thought there. What's pretty laughable and sick is, thinking that, if something is in pixels or inks on the paper, it's not real.

"You should be pushing past your irrational phobias and make attempts to control them"
How can you assume I don't? And why is that a reason to not reach a little hand out to add a simple game setting? Just because a person doesn't have legs yet he/she tries their best to work their body out and be able to move around as fast as a normal walking people, do they not deserve a simple chair, or even an uncomfy platform with simple circles to be able to transport around?

"You should be pushing past your irrational phobias"
Do you know what exactly "irrational" means? It means "not logical or reasonable". Do you know what "reason" means? It's the thing or things that lead to what we say "result". If there's an extreme result and there's no reason, a.k.a if it's irrational, a.k.a if there's no steering wheel of the vehicle, how are you supposed to "push past"? Do you think, a fear without reasons, could be overcame by searching for it's reasons?
This is not fear, which is induced for survival instinct purposes that triggers you into fight or flight, it is irrational fair that completely remains you helpless and paralyzed.
What you're trying to say is like telling a paralyzed person who's trying their best to move to push past and how they shouldn't expect world to help them.

"it's not to much to ask a person to push past their phobia"
It's not too afford to ask a person to push past their phobia, but it's too much to afford for that person to push past their phobie just to be able to play a single game.

"Projection is a bad thing to do"
I hope you do not use this argument against all people who suffer of problems when it's invalid in your opinion.

"From someone who does have anxieties and phobias."
Even if you lose your legs, arms and get through a lot and survive, that doesn't mean you're a privileged speaker on how other people who go through the same should react the same way or shouldn't get medical attention or a little help hand from society.

"YMMV"
That's another contradiction by expecting people to react the same way with you to certain problems.

"Instead of trying to force the world to accommodate your fears or challenges"
First of all, a simple arachnophobia setting is seen in games, really, I'm not kidding. It's not a big effort either, nor is it actually starting a campaign and forcing people to do bad things. Do you think people who have autism, schizophrenia and even worse illnesses are not trying to do their best? But do you think they try to force the world to help them when they just get a little bit of recognizition or help?

"There will be people that try to tell you that avoiding your issues"
I assure you, I do not. Nor do I try to avoid my solveable and rational issues. What makes me sick is society acts like we're in a war and we shouldn't be wanting anything good or even just a little help, like if helping and loving each other is a scarce resource. Love is seemingly what lacks in you throughout this way, speculating by your comment, do not take it too seriously if it's the other way around.

"It will not laud you for being the best victim."
Can I not just say that you're trying to project here that I'm in a victim psychology just for wanting a little attentive behavior on arachnophobia despite how invalidating and hostile you all are behaving?

"in my opinion, a bit entitled and immature."
What's immature is trying to insult or humiliate in an "intellectual" way by unnecessarily expanding simple sentences and adding unnecessary assumptions and judgements that are not up to you, yet still hiding in distinguished gentleman suit. That's like trying to smash a whole big rock on the head, and then jump back as if you haven't done that. No, don't hide behind "in my opinion", that's just "in my prejudice and insults" at this point. Honestly I do not care if you come and scream out a really big f you. Just do it directly and honestly, overcome the distinguished gentleman behaviors and be honest here, show your real level and manner.


Yeah, Bible 2 and stuff. But that's the result of trying to compress complicated things into simplified sentences with insult in it, do not expect any less.

Yeah, it's a game. Get a grip. Your sense of outrage (on behalf of the OP I guess?) isn't very compelling either. In fact, I feel like it underscores my point about self control somewhat.

It's my opinion that the request, while polite overall is somewhat entitled and immature.

The spiders in Noita aren't real. They can't hurt anyone. They aren't even realistically portrayed. Again the devs will obviously do what they feel like.

The OP would benefit, in my opinion, from less coddling, and more effort and self inspection as well as assistance to expand the horizons that he or she allows for themselves, rather than being encouraged to hide in a cave, metaphorically.

This is my opinion. Other opinions are available.

"Your sense of outrage (on behalf of the OP I guess?) isn't very compelling either. In fact, I feel like it underscores my point about self control somewhat."
I'm totally calm while writing all of these, don't worry I have self-control. I just adjust myself to your aggression level and I try the best to how can I reach you to get basic view points into your mind.

"The spiders in Noita aren't real. They can't hurt anyone."
A spider photo too can't hurt anyone. Don't tell me I'm sick and hilarious, but, a video where people are tortured too can't hurt anyone as well. A flag of a shameful nation which has traumatized and killed millions can't hurt anyone, too. You know what? A little cute GIF of constantly flashing effect can't hurt anybody as well, I mean it can no way hurt anybody in 8 billion.
Get a better grip on differentiating reality in stuff.

"They aren't even realistically portrayed."
You and me say "Irrational", and you say realistic? Did you really expect an irrational fear to be triggered by realistic footage? No, even basic ideas of visuals, for some heavily traumatized people even words can be triggering. And what concerns an arachnophobe about spiders is not how realistic they are. For me, it's mainly the way they move their legs, the shape and quantity of their legs. I don't need an extra Z dimension to experience fear. And in fact, their leg movements are pretty realistic, even if you put a doritos texture on it, the model and the way it moves is totally realistic to my eyes. Otherwise why would my phobia trigger and why would I even comment here? Lol.

"The OP would benefit, in my opinion, from less coddling, and more effort and self inspection as well as assistance to expand the horizons that he or she allows for themselves, rather than being encouraged to hide in a cave, metaphorically."
Arachnophobia is not rare. It's not a giant effort that will slow-down the game development for months either, it's a thing even modders are capable of.
Working on Arachnophobia is a giant effort that will slow-down person's wallet and require high efforts.
While a good %10 percent of world population has phobia, why is it a big and needless effort to implement a simple setting? Like yeah, one can try to swim upwards to not drown and get out from water, but one can, at least if not hands, can throw a rope as well.
And stop assuming for people that they do not work on phobia. If one tries to work on theirself, they also deserve a little help at least. OP actually pointed out everything in peace but you only got simplifications, useless solutions and prejudices and disapproving behavior and then hostility towards them. Now here I am, with a non-peaceful attitude, and you guys are still having a hard time trying to accept an idea which is not so unique and is actually existant even in some games today. It's not that deep.

[Nature440]

Look at this fellow typing a whole thesis and a half. You can get a master's degree with that amount of effort.

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Look at this fellow typing a whole thesis and a half. You can get a master's degree with that amount of effort.

It's nothing for me, it feels too short. But that's just what happens when you care and have passion, passion that is lacking in all other games nowadays, care that is lacking in all other people nowadays. I'm spilling out all my mind to help this game in ideas

Edit: Oh I thought this was another game, now I found it's Noita. Well almost same anyways but I lost half my interest in the game, I can't have fun from it anymore even if I don't care about Lukkis. Game doesn't get updated, community in general doesn't support even the easiest ideas and gets hurt over usage of mind, therefore I have nothing to do. Also the reason I write so long is because I have to, because simple people cause complicated problems just like a small looking bomb releasing lots of meters big explosion when detonated, but it seemt small before the explosion because it was compressed into palm size. So, the feature-opposing comments on this topic were as compressed as that, sounding like small points that make very sense and end the topic, however hiding between all other logical errors. Peace out

[mb3]

So your spreading your over verbose verbal garbage all over the Steam forums, nice. I bet everyone loves you.

[Krake]

[Not going into the lack if sympathy and basic kindness] Noita is updating. I'm not a modder and have been distracted. The modders I talked to about it, assured me the fix could be pretty simple, but did not show great interest. I am sorry for being slow, but I would like you to not give upon this game! One of the developers stream as hempuli, and should be open to talking about acessibility, but I have been hesitant to distract him with Noita ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. He is among other tings working on something Baba related and is inspired by into the breach.

[Jaecp]

Well, I am positively flabbergasted that a post I made in April is still getting comments and I won't be responding specifically to anyone's negativity. If you think I'm being childish the door is there. Go play more Noita and have fun. My post didn't yuck your yum

So, something I don't generally mention is I have a BS in psychology. I know all about the techniques to get past this.

I grew up in a house infested with black widows. I'd wake up with bites. When I'm stressed I have intrusive thoughts of spiders and, when in the military and I was going crazy, one time they talked.

I had to create a mental defense visualization matrix to block out these intrusive thoughts from bothering me. These were, laugh away, based off of Trunks Energy Sphere from DBZ. I'd have intrusive thoughts of spiders eating me and I'd cover myself in a glowing purple energy or shoot them off of me

I've tried, but the specific way that Lukki are coded to move in this game just *really* triggers my arachnophobia. The Lukki transformation perk I had to like repeat over and over again "these are crab legs" and I still ended up quitting out of my run.

By the end, what I tried to do exposure therapy wise was to just stop after I saw my first one. Or I'd try and go somewhere else in the overworld and then in the temple... Found some super Lukki and I just uninstalled

Which sucks, I really enjoyed the game, the wand management stuff excites me like nothing else, and it's just so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cool!

I just couldn't hack it.

For any modders, the way the lukkis arms move is rough on me and the way the game surprises you with enemies sometimes (particular Lukki chest) is just... It's a combination of a number of factors which just make it implausible for me to continue playing so I basically have fond memories of Noita and if there is ever an arachnophobia mode I'll come back :)

Also, hey, don't be mean to folks about this. We're all gamers trying to have fun here in our limited free time :)

[an entire Roman legion]

I really dislike the mentality of "not I am the one who must adapt, everything else must"

[Krake]

Good for you. It's a game fool.

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Well, I am positively flabbergasted that a post I made in April is still getting comments and I won't be responding specifically to anyone's negativity. If you think I'm being childish the door is there. Go play more Noita and have fun. My post didn't yuck your yum

So, something I don't generally mention is I have a BS in psychology. I know all about the techniques to get past this.

I grew up in a house infested with black widows. I'd wake up with bites. When I'm stressed I have intrusive thoughts of spiders and, when in the military and I was going crazy, one time they talked.

I had to create a mental defense visualization matrix to block out these intrusive thoughts from bothering me. These were, laugh away, based off of Trunks Energy Sphere from DBZ. I'd have intrusive thoughts of spiders eating me and I'd cover myself in a glowing purple energy or shoot them off of me

I've tried, but the specific way that Lukki are coded to move in this game just *really* triggers my arachnophobia. The Lukki transformation perk I had to like repeat over and over again "these are crab legs" and I still ended up quitting out of my run.

By the end, what I tried to do exposure therapy wise was to just stop after I saw my first one. Or I'd try and go somewhere else in the overworld and then in the temple... Found some super Lukki and I just uninstalled

Which sucks, I really enjoyed the game, the wand management stuff excites me like nothing else, and it's just so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cool!

I just couldn't hack it.

For any modders, the way the lukkis arms move is rough on me and the way the game surprises you with enemies sometimes (particular Lukki chest) is just... It's a combination of a number of factors which just make it implausible for me to continue playing so I basically have fond memories of Noita and if there is ever an arachnophobia mode I'll come back :)

Also, hey, don't be mean to folks about this. We're all gamers trying to have fun here in our limited free time :)

Exactly, the way Lukki moves, especially a video I watched where flying Lukkis were sent like projectiles... If I had no Arachnophobia it is pretty much very fun to watch and very cool-looking. But I'm scared for life while playing the game. I'm not even saying completely remove them lol, even a reskin would be cool. Hell, even the simplified spiders are OKAY. Like Minecraft spiders with straight legs, they are pretty cute and have very simple movements, still carry some spiderness on them but decent enough unless heavily populated. Like Spider-Bots in Clone Drone in The Danger Zone which I'm literally never afraid of.
But yeah, you can go through therapy sessions, or fight against it with your own will and do your best, try every technique, but none of them are valid or seen by random people who've never thought about something a second time in Steam Discussions. These people would cry a lot if they were cut off from electricity for a day irl but they're pretty overconfident on rejecting little effort of help for people whose all requirements are just a help hand after managing to swim to surface from depths.
Hopefully this topic will get more recognition

[Jaecp]

Yeah, Minecraft spiders don't bother me and neither did the ones back on EverQuest.

The way Lukki move is just so... It creeps me out and like I've literally thrown my laptop when playing when a Lukki chest happened

It's just all very frustrating.

And like, I did adapt. I'm enjoying Deadlink. I'm enjoying The Last Spell.

I'm just not enjoying Noita anymore because there was an irreconcilable difference that I tried to work through.

All I want is a setting where the Lukki type monsters don't have wiggly spider arms and some people have written essays about why I suck

Who has time for that?

It's so weird to me

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Yeah, Minecraft spiders don't bother me and neither did the ones back on EverQuest.

The way Lukki move is just so... It creeps me out and like I've literally thrown my laptop when playing when a Lukki chest happened

It's just all very frustrating.

And like, I did adapt. I'm enjoying Deadlink. I'm enjoying The Last Spell.

I'm just not enjoying Noita anymore because there was an irreconcilable difference that I tried to work through.

All I want is a setting where the Lukki type monsters don't have wiggly spider arms and some people have written essays about why I suck

Who has time for that?

It's so weird to me

Because all these people find it less effort to get together like 5 random people around the world and make fun of people who have problems, pretend to be discussing intelligently, claim experiencing Pharaoh's Curse and 500 years of torture just to reject an Arachnophobia feature into a random game, than actually considering it and acknowledging thar Arachnophobia is serious and not very rare and doing a small favor on that task.
They try to make you imagine them of something else without even translating what words like "Noita" and "Lukki" mean, they try to say "Adapt to it!", they try to invalidate the problem and do everything to escape the absolute simple solution and then accuse us of wanting things to change while doing nothing while it's exact opposite. The genius of these people is truly fascinating.
Anyways, Lukki leg moves are really fascinating for a game, they are very realistic and it's more interesting how they're almost physics based as well, not just some fake animations. I would like to enjoy it as well..
But you know.. Just can't... I really can't..

[mb3]

Actually, I haven't seen anyone making fun of Jaecp, or your phobia, the only thing i've seen people make fun of is you Ozan, and if you read through all of your posts in this thread, that's not too hard to figure out why. But if your so serious about playing Noita, then learn how to mod the game or pay a mod'er to change it for you, because I don't see a waiting list of mod'ers signed up to make this mod.