Enough with the "You have angered the gods"

[Spiffypants]

I had 3 good runs ruined for no reason. Why is this a thing? Random punishment? It doesn't add to the game it just makes it a chore to play.

[Bearded McGee]

Just kill the lich, it's not hard.
Any good run that would be a setback to die in, you'd have a way to kill the 'gods' easily.
Freezing field (or any freezing attacks) + kick is an instant kill.
Polymorphine also works if you don't care about not getting gold.
Chaotic polymorphine if you like gambling.
Berserkium + bomb and a well timed shot will do the thing in.

Sure, you could be looking to be doing a pacifist run I guess in which case I'd see why getting the gods' panties in a twist would be a problem, but otherwise not really. I go out of my way to anger them every runs.

[GarbageCollector]

Certain monsters can burrow into the area and there's absolutely nothing you can do to stop them. It's stupid, and should be removed outright.

[blob]

I really thought they d have removed the worms being able to burrow into the holy mountain with the last update :/

[GarbageCollector]

Originally posted by blob:

I really thought they d have removed the worms being able to burrow into the holy mountain with the last update :/

I'm not sure they didn't. In my last run where this happened to me just hours ago it was those burrowing spiders from the jungle. Worms may or may not still be able to do it, I'm not sure.

I just think it should be player triggered only.

[☭Woodsman☭]

Originally posted by blob:

I really thought they d have removed the worms being able to burrow into the holy mountain with the last update :/

as far as I can tell, the update makes it a bit more forgiving. I had a worm dig into the walls a bit, but not make it into the room itself and not trigger it, when I'm pretty sure it dug deep enough it would have triggered it previously.

[Azathoth]

I tried 7 runs today, 5 of them ended with worms angering the gods by the THIRD floor. Literally complete RNG that is causing you to lose in what is supposed to be a safe zone. I'm done with this game until they make the holy mountain material IMMUNE to worms.

[ShnitzelKiller]

Originally posted by Bearded McGee:

Just kill the lich, it's not hard.
Any good run that would be a setback to die in, you'd have a way to kill the 'gods' easily.
Freezing field (or any freezing attacks) + kick is an instant kill.
Polymorphine also works if you don't care about not getting gold.
Chaotic polymorphine if you like gambling.
Berserkium + bomb and a well timed shot will do the thing in.

Sure, you could be looking to be doing a pacifist run I guess in which case I'd see why getting the gods' panties in a twist would be a problem, but otherwise not really. I go out of my way to anger them every runs.

what is the point of this reply? Are you saying it's fine and fair to face a boss-level enemy because there's a possibility to be holding items that can kill him easily? So you have to build your run around potentially being able to face the lich at any random level, sacrificing good wands and spells for this errand?

[GarbageCollector]

Originally posted by ShnitzelKiller:

Originally posted by Bearded McGee:

Just kill the lich, it's not hard.
Any good run that would be a setback to die in, you'd have a way to kill the 'gods' easily.
Freezing field (or any freezing attacks) + kick is an instant kill.
Polymorphine also works if you don't care about not getting gold.
Chaotic polymorphine if you like gambling.
Berserkium + bomb and a well timed shot will do the thing in.

Sure, you could be looking to be doing a pacifist run I guess in which case I'd see why getting the gods' panties in a twist would be a problem, but otherwise not really. I go out of my way to anger them every runs.

what is the point of this reply? Are you saying it's fine and fair to face a boss-level enemy because there's a possibility to be holding items that can kill him easily? So you have to build your run around potentially being able to face the lich at any random level, sacrificing good wands and spells for this errand?

It's just the standard, non-falsifiable copout to ignore the game's problems. Imagine if devs actually designed things with the only consideration being "can this obstacle ever conceivably be overcome? yes = fun game"

Of course the lich isn't invincible. If you know what you're doing you can handle him. That doesn't change the fact it's a garbage mechanic with no redeeming qualities.

[Nightstrasza]

Can easly handle lich, however, he is nothing special for killing nor as a game mechanic, at this point considering him just being a part of every run that making, the crystal does nothing, it should straight bounce the worm away like a force field or even instantly kill it for trying to desecrate the place, spiders included. Wish the lich would be only player triggerable and be an actual punishment for... right for what, there's literaly no point for players to dig thro the shop unless missfire with a black hole, the brickwork can be dug on the side away from shop to not anger the gods to go back up and explore surface so right now there's no purpose for lich, he defends nothing, stealing doesn't trigger him, whatever he would have to protect, he should be a very powerfull enemy, not just a galery of art tier enemy and there should be a reason to anger/kill him, like some extra perk or something not normaly obtainable.

[Guts]

There's definitely a spell/wand combo that kills the lich before level 3. You just have to actually explore. This game isn't about getting to the end quickly. There's a whole world to look at, and the more of it you explore before making things harder, the better you'll get at the game, and the more stuff you'll have to beat the harder levels with.

[Baron Von Sucko]

I'm also done with Noita until this is fixed. It's simply not fun. Like, at all.

[Los.Injurus.Bob.Blunderton]

The worms didn't anger the gods for me, but when I physically took the worm path a few 'player heights' deep - THAT angered them.
I had to manually go down below the portal into the worm holes to anger them but I wasn't chase by anything as I went right back up.

[Shrinkshooter]

Originally posted by smokytehbear:

It's just the standard, non-falsifiable copout to ignore the game's problems.

That isn't non-falsifiable, that's a statement that can be proven one way or another. A non-falsifiable statement is something like "God exists." Nobody can prove that he doesn't, erego, you get to take a victory lap because nobody can prove that you're wrong.

And while I don't have much trouble with the lich myself (I've died a number of times to it but usually either go around it or am able to kill it), I'd be hard pressed to argue that it isn't somewhat poor design. It isn't about whether killing it is difficult, it's about shoehorning a specific handful of ways to deal with that thing just in case it turns up, which requires foreknowledge of what to do and how to do it, earned only by either dying a hundred times yourself while experimenting against the lich or having other people tell you what to do.

Most people like me who don't consider it much of a hurdle will handwave it away, but the principle of the matter irks me. The devs even acknowledged this with their attempted change to the Holy Mountain last patch (a change which, for all I can tell, basically did nothing). As I told someone else a few days ago, the very first run in which I won the game I had three Holy Mountains wrecked on my way down. THREE. In a row. I avoided one lich and killed the other two, but it occurs far too commonly (even if you avoid destroying lots of terrain).

[weregamer]

The stupidness of it is a big problem, but my other annoyance is that it's not clear to me what the lich's abilities are. Heck, the wiki has a nice rundown on The Limbs, which are recently added and for which the important mechanic is telegraphed clearly by the animation. But nothing on the Lich.


It obviously has a projectile shield, and so far I've not been able to hit it with anything, even from point-blank inside the shield. Its attack looks like the bolts from the plants in the Underground Jungle and is dodgeable. I haven't had a chance to try with a chainsaw.

My best success so far was to drag it to the left, then run out and let the collapsing stonework trap it.

[Uroboros]

Originally posted by Bearded McGee:

Just kill the lich, it's not hard.

That depends entirely on what equipment you have, and how quickly you can respond to the random angering. Even successfully killing the lich has likely left you with less health for the coming zone. Consider the nature of the game, and that it's entirely possible to go several zones without encountering a flask you suggested. Just as you can get some amazing drops in the mines, you can also go for a long time without seeing even a wand/flask depending on your luck.

The point is that it's a severe event in the game that is happening more than intended, and in a manner that the player has no reasonable control over.