Honor points vs Damage - has anyone tested it?

[brunolm]

In a Proto Bahamut fight I've done 50,539,123 damage. I did not use any potions. I used Vane shield and 1 person entered it the whole fight.

Djeeta did 28,970,990 damage. She used potions, buffs, debuffs.

Vane got 11,389,338 Honors (Specialist title)
Djeeta got 11,708,938 Honors (Last Hit, Healer, Skill Lover)

Djeeta did 21,568,133 less damage than Vane, and she has 2 titles more than Vane and she used a lot of buffs/debuffs.

So, guesstimating, 2 titles + blue potions + buffs/debuffs is roughly equivalent to 22M damage?

Does this make sense?

Not sure if anyone has datamined this already or not. But yeah, as everyone knows, if you want MVP just spam blue potions and buffs/debuffs, even if you do -20M damage than someone else you might get MVP

[Lapinoire]

MVP doesn't even matter, especially if you're running parse. If there was an extra reward attached to getting MVP in multiplayer, then it would matter, but outside of that, who cares?

[brunolm]

I care.

Does anyone know?

[Lapinoire]

Imagine being small-minded enough to care about a silly metric when you already know that on a performance level, you're doing far better than the competition.

If you care so much, do the research on your own like you have been with the silly Barrold dps stuff. You already know that buffs/debuffs/party heals affect honors, but again, MVP is a completely useless thing to get, and this is coming from someone that gets it all the time on a non-buffer character.

If you care enough, the way you'd test it is by literally standing there doing nothing but using blue potions, buffs, and heals, and inflicting 0 damage. You'd find your answers pretty quickly.

[brunolm]

I ran a few tests where I entered a fight and took 1 shot.

The thing is that even dealing the same damage every time I got different amounts of honor.

A couple times I took a few steps to the side, and that reduced my honor points by half.

I tried shooting as soon as the fight starts and also at the middle and also at the end.

I never get consistent results.

Do you have any idea how to get consistent results?

[Snikkii]

If u want MVP just run a support character. That's it. I like to get MVP so I run Cag/Sieg w support in mind.

[brunolm]

hmm yeah, but how much honor does each buff do?

[Snikkii]

Originally posted by brunolm (神 Knx):

hmm yeah, but how much honor does each buff do?

Don't matter. You'll get MVP.

[brunolm]

hmm, but I wonder what's the formula.

I couldn't find a way to consistently get the same points, so it's hard to setup a controlled environment.

[LuckyToShoot]

I am curious about the exact math behind it as well, the honor points system is just very arbitary, and damage alone does not seem like it will ever out do support skills, hell most people hit damage cap these days and atk buffs don't even really contribute to damage, and I am seeing people who put out attack buff gets MVP all the time lol.

I don't care so much about who gets MVP, but the math behind the MVP system is just questionable and why it's there in the first place when it doesnt even come close to serve as an accurate metric, quite far from it in fact.

[brunolm]

Damage alone can win against support. In my first example I lost by 300-400k honors. If I had dealt, idk maybe like +2M damage, I think I would've won.

But yeah, it can, but it takes like 30M damage more to win

[AsceticG]

No one figured it out yet, afaik. The only concrete thing said about this system is that the maximum amount of honor the party can earn is equal to the boss's hp.

[✨Nutkun7993✨]

Assuming there're every titles almost for everything rank from "not moving a lot" to "good at everything" to "kill the most" to "spamming skil a lot" to "No damage/debuff taken" or even the silly "bunny hopper" jumping a lot count to it.

Chance is that, the honor formula may takes every action of character into account, and would explain inconsistent amount of honor despite executing the nearly identical action/combo in those test runs. At worst, each character may even has different formula attained to them based respectively on their playstyle.

If that's a case, your only hope is to reverse engineering the whole system. Finding the ideal environment for testing would still yield non concrete results when there're so many factors at play.

[Emil]

Originally posted by brunolm (神 Knx):

In a Proto Bahamut fight I've done 50,539,123 damage. I did not use any potions. I used Vane shield and 1 person entered it the whole fight.

Djeeta did 28,970,990 damage. She used potions, buffs, debuffs.

Vane got 11,389,338 Honors (Specialist title)
Djeeta got 11,708,938 Honors (Last Hit, Healer, Skill Lover)

Djeeta did 21,568,133 less damage than Vane, and she has 2 titles more than Vane and she used a lot of buffs/debuffs.

So, guesstimating, 2 titles + blue potions + buffs/debuffs is roughly equivalent to 22M damage?

Does this make sense?

Not sure if anyone has datamined this already or not. But yeah, as everyone knows, if you want MVP just spam blue potions and buffs/debuffs, even if you do -20M damage than someone else you might get MVP

You cant see the damage done u just see honor nice hack bro

[Emil]

Originally posted by brunolm (神 Knx):

In a Proto Bahamut fight I've done 50,539,123 damage. I did not use any potions. I used Vane shield and 1 person entered it the whole fight.

Djeeta did 28,970,990 damage. She used potions, buffs, debuffs.

Vane got 11,389,338 Honors (Specialist title)
Djeeta got 11,708,938 Honors (Last Hit, Healer, Skill Lover)

Djeeta did 21,568,133 less damage than Vane, and she has 2 titles more than Vane and she used a lot of buffs/debuffs.

So, guesstimating, 2 titles + blue potions + buffs/debuffs is roughly equivalent to 22M damage?

Does this make sense?

Not sure if anyone has datamined this already or not. But yeah, as everyone knows, if you want MVP just spam blue potions and buffs/debuffs, even if you do -20M damage than someone else you might get MVP

nice hack bro u cant see dmg :)

[mosspit]

Originally posted by ✨Nutkun7993✨:

Assuming there're every titles almost for everything rank from "not moving a lot" to "good at everything" to "kill the most" to "spamming skil a lot" to "No damage/debuff taken" or even the silly "bunny hopper" jumping a lot count to it.

Chance is that, the honor formula may takes every action of character into account, and would explain inconsistent amount of honor despite executing the nearly identical action/combo in those test runs. At worst, each character may even has different formula attained to them based respectively on their playstyle.

If that's a case, your only hope is to reverse engineering the whole system. Finding the ideal environment for testing would still yield non concrete results when there're so many factors at play.

I remembered you from SD Gundam G Generations :)

In any case, I agree. To find out exact honour points formula from anecdotes is just futile. It will be better to reach out to modders to reverse engineer and uncover the actual logic. Also titles are not necessarily good indicators. When I mained Vaseraga, there were a few times where I didn't get any titles at all, but somehow still gotten MVP.