if youre going down every 5 seconds in proud then go back to maniac and grind

[PandaKittenFace]

get some defensive sigils. Youll do more damage if you're alive than if you're crawling on the ground

[Senki]

Originally posted by Grimzy:

Originally posted by Senki:

to be fair the game pretty much encourages you to do that at the very end when you unlock the last weapon

I played with good defense the whole game but the final weapon is kinda forcing me to go all out on offense if I want to use it

To be fair, also you barely need any defensive sigils to begin with asside from MAYBE aegis to offset tyranny and give you a 40k-44k HP pool that does let you survive more attacks.
Other than that you can pretty much dodge / jump over / quard practically everything.

yes if you already perfected every single fight in the game at which point hp doesn't matter at all anymore anyway

doesn't change the fact that the game is basically forcing you to go glass cannon if you want to progress further which puts many people in the one hit range

it also hurts build variety because stuff like stout heart become an essentially worthless buff, I don't care if I can't be interrupted if the attack that hits me oneshots me anyway

so might as well just slap a guts/autorevive then fill the rest with dmg sigils

[PandaKittenFace]

Originally posted by Kurisu:

id rather pick the dude up off the ground whos doing 3xs your damage then play with you running defensive sigils and not even being at dmg cap.

hey look, someone with no clue what theyre talking about. Crazy.

[Breastmilk is my staplefood]

Tbh I didn't realize there was a defense chart until halfway through the game.

[Three-Headed-Monkey]

Originally posted by Senki:

doesn't change the fact that the game is basically forcing you to go glass cannon if you want to progress further which puts many people in the one hit range

which boss exactly forces you to go with a glass cannon build?
you can beat proto, the hardest gear check boss, with a full ai team without any terminus/ascension weapons.
if you want to keep pushing higher numbers thats on you, but its absolutely overkill with the games current content.

[PandaKittenFace]

Originally posted by Breastmilk Is My Staplefood:

Tbh I didn't realize there was a defense chart until halfway through the game.

well by the time you get to proud most people have learned to dodge, so its not wholly necessary.

A good chunk of people havent though, and theyre the ones this is directed to

[Angious_]

the worst thing is some of them aren't spamming buttons or keys to revive faster it's so frustrating

[DikiDino]

Potion hoarder is important as well. Almost a must have IMHO. Guts and Autorevive will help when you do get 1 shot by accident or mistake.

[Grimzy]

Originally posted by PandaKittenFace:

Originally posted by Kurisu:

id rather pick the dude up off the ground whos doing 3xs your damage then play with you running defensive sigils and not even being at dmg cap.

hey look, someone with no clue what theyre talking about. Crazy.

He is correct though. A guy going down even 5 times in a fight can still do more dmaage than you with your defensive sigils making him a more valuable member than you.
I would do the exact same thing.

[Tiasmoon]

Originally posted by Mystokai:

Originally posted by Nepnep:

I got better advice. Go back to Extreme or below and practice guarding/dodging on scrub dmg standards. You'd be surprised how much simple sparring against Gallanza (as in NOT killing him and let him attack you to learn attack patterns) would help when fighting him and flying swordy at Proud.

Ye, so far no luck with Galanza + Magliele fight, almost nobody wants to try again either.

Magliel on her own is easy to deal with, but everyone else just gets drilled by Galanza.
- Constant sweeping basic attack (just react and avoid)
- Delayed explosion (there is a sound cue when to dodge)

The stage and general camera movement doesnt really help either.
- Galanza explosion on that ground is harder to see
- Camera follow is kinda dumb vs tall enemies or enemies in air.

You want to aim to keep them seperated. 1-2 should focus on Galanza, the others on Magliele. I only did that fight on solo+ ai so far, but what I did is I like the 3 companions take care of Galanza while I suppressed Magliele (I play Narm, and she matches up really well against her)

Originally posted by Mystokai:

Just in personal experience, I would say Galanza is one of my least favorite fights.

Its mine too. Slow attacks + delayed explosion. For me thats a pain to deal with.

[PandaKittenFace]

Originally posted by Grimzy:

Originally posted by PandaKittenFace:

hey look, someone with no clue what theyre talking about. Crazy.

He is correct though. A guy going down even 5 times in a fight can still do more dmaage than you with your defensive sigils making him a more valuable member than you.
I would do the exact same thing.

5 times in a fight? can you read?

If you think someone that literally cannot stay in the fight for 5 SECONDS and people have to constantly pick him up will somehow amount to more damage than someone that sacrificed 3 or 4 sigils and can actually survive the fight...

your brain needs a jumpstart

also, "if you cant dodge and die every 5 seconds then you're not doing any damage.
If you can dodge and you are doing damage, then congratulations, I'm not talking to you." Like hello? what part of all of this are you not understanding?

[Grimzy]

Originally posted by PandaKittenFace:

Originally posted by Grimzy:

He is correct though. A guy going down even 5 times in a fight can still do more dmaage than you with your defensive sigils making him a more valuable member than you.
I would do the exact same thing.

5 times in a fight? can you read?

If you think someone that literally cannot stay in the fight for 5 SECONDS and people have to constantly pick him up will somehow amount to more damage than someone that sacrificed 3 or 4 sigils and can actually survive the fight...

your brain needs a jumpstart

Well yes.....his damage output can even be 4x-5x yours with a single skill with the right sigils. Which means he easily makes up for it with jsut one skill.
You seem to have this delusion that critical condition means someone is not pulling their weight which is completely wrong.

If you sacrifice 3-4 sigils your damage output will be...well.....not amounting to much:
you get 12 sigil slots.
4 go into defense (just to take what you wrote)
1 goes for the class spcific sigil (2 if you do not have the awakened version)
4 go into damage cap
thats 9 sigils. you have 3 left for crit rate / damage sigils.

dont underestimate teh value of uplift, cascade, cooldown and drain sigils.

[awanderingswordsman]

Depends. If they have high enough dps it can still be more valuable even if they only attack in burn phases. The range of dps is that large. That said, this game does not force you to go defense or offense because you can go both so theres really no reason to not have both a maxed damage cap and guts, potion hoarder, autorevive, uplift, cascade, etc.

Also you never need to be picked up. You get up on your own in like 3 seconds if you just mash buttons and rotate your control stick and everyone by default has at least one rez potion.

[PandaKittenFace]

Originally posted by Grimzy:

Originally posted by PandaKittenFace:

5 times in a fight? can you read?

If you think someone that literally cannot stay in the fight for 5 SECONDS and people have to constantly pick him up will somehow amount to more damage than someone that sacrificed 3 or 4 sigils and can actually survive the fight...

your brain needs a jumpstart

Well yes.....his damage output can even be 4x-5x yours with a single skill with the right sigils. Which means he easily makes up for it with jsut one skill.
You seem to have this delusion that critical condition means someone is not pulling their weight which is completely wrong.

If you sacrifice 3-4 sigils your damage output will be...well.....not amounting to much:
you get 12 sigil slots.
4 go into defense (just to take what you wrote)
1 goes for the class spcific sigil (2 if you do not have the awakened version)
4 go into damage cap
thats 9 sigils. you have 3 left for crit rate / damage sigils.

ah yes the guy that runs down the meter and fails the quest is doing more damage uh huh yeah totally my guy lol.

Also bro, 12 sigil SLOTS, 2 sigils per SLOT.
You know how to do math? thats 24. 4 out of 24.

Absolute genius you are

[Josith]

i'm just glad to be reassured the game gets tougher eventually by seeing this post, hehe

[PandaKittenFace]

Originally posted by awanderingswordsman:

Depends. If they have high enough dps it can still be more valuable even if they only attack in burn phases. The range of dps is that large. That said, this game does not force you to go defense or offense because you can go both so theres really no reason to not have both a maxed damage cap and guts, potion hoarder, autorevive, uplift, cascade, etc.

Also you never need to be picked up. You get up on your own in like 3 seconds if you just mash buttons and rotate your control stick and everyone by default has at least one rez potion.

last brainlet Ima reply to.
A) someone that dies dozens of times in a fight is not being useful. At all.
B) Have you seen how many people that dont know mashing gets you up faster?
C) Dying that many times is running out the meter. You know what happens? quest failed. Even if they have 1 good hit that does more damage then I do the whole fight, which they dont, it doesnt mean anything if they cause the quest to fail.
D) These people cannot dodge and are useless. As I've already said in this thread, IF you are capable of dodging and can actually do damage then congrats, IM NOT TALKING TO YOU