Thoughts on the Ending?

[Koanos]

Spoilers on the Ending, you have been warned

Given the choices, I felt that if the game was going this direction, it didn't feel like a satisfying payoff. This isn't to dock the Ending as either good or bad, but to point out that the endings didn't feel earned.

Ending 1: What would make becoming the Emperor a hard decision? Is the clone who they are because of their decisions or something? What's the point other than to save Humanity from itself? Does Idaho sincerely want to save humanity after everything he's done or seen?

Ending 2: So you find Earth in what amounts to be a generation ship but leave everything behind. It didn't feel like Earth "mattered" all that much all things considered except as a possibility that you might see people who've advanced without OMNIs.

Ending 3: The "best" ending in my opinion, but given the competition, it isn't really saying much. Rebecca was important to the clone/Idaho, but didn't feel like they were important to me the player. She didn't feel like a character more than a plot device. Granted, being such in a block of ice might impede such but she didn't feel like she had achievements of her own other than the title of Mrs. Idaho.

More importantly, I can't wrap my head around the OMNIs leaving humanity to die out. If you can solve everything but entropy, then saving humanity should take nothing but a nanosecond. And it's not like they can't walk and chew bubble gum at the same time, they probably are doing some kind of higher dimensional thinking beyond our comprehension while talking to the clone. They didn't even save their savior! I mean, come on!

The main issue here is their omnipotence. They can do everything except solve entropy, so why not do just that? Solve everything but entropy? They certainly have the power to do so. They've already mapped out all of Idaho's life paths! Saving humanity should be like adding two plus two!

In conclusion, if the Endings were exactly as planned, they didn't feel like they were "earned" based on their lead up. The set-up didn't feel like it had the right pay off.

[your.sheepy]

I can't wrap my head around why they should save human. It may take them a nanosecond to help the human, but it also take them only a nanosecond to wipe out human.

Human are not the saviour of OMNI. Why are they? Dying human is not OMNI's problem, either. If it is not a problem, there is nothing to solve.

At best, Idaho (and crew) helped bring Kalibans to the Master Node. For that the Kalibans saved their ship and Fold him (and crew) to where he wants. As a bonus the OMNIs even explained his choices and their likely outcomes. They don't need to do that, of course, but the real reason is behind the fourth wall so perhaps we shouldn't push it too hard.

[B!t8vM]

Omnis are a hell of a drug. Also I didn't feel bad leaving every sucker in those dying clusters to rot in their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ little space cruisers, colonies and stations aka death traps. Most of the remaining population in those clusters are complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and reprobates. Not worth saving just so they can die of hunger in a couple years.

YES I HOPED THEY'D DIE AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!!! - some angry Jedi Master.

Really what is there to do. Find earth, start anew. A couple centuries and we get back to the basics. ♥♥♥♥ Oberons fake ass empire.

[Koanos]

Originally posted by your.sheepy:

I can't wrap my head around why they should save human. It may take them a nanosecond to help the human, but it also take them only a nanosecond to wipe out human.

But that's what I don't get, if they could save humanity and it would take an infinitely small amount of time and energy to do so, why not?

[Koanos]

Originally posted by B!t8vM:

Really what is there to do. Find earth, start anew. A couple centuries and we get back to the basics. ♥♥♥♥ Oberons fake ass empire.

I get the concept of starting new on Earth, but I don't get how the set-up helps the payoff.

[Sifer2]

I went with the Earth ending just because Oberon's Empire was already a proven failure so it didn't seem to make sense to try to reboot it. It also seems against this Idaho's character since he just spent a whole conversation criticizing Oberon, and his methods lol.

The Rebecca one feels pointless because it would in no way accomplish the mission of helping humanity. And this Idaho isn't really even Idaho anyway just a clone. That only leaves the Earth ending but even this one is unsatisfying because in the end like it's titled it's really just a shot in the dark.

In the end I guess it's just what the writers were going for. Some bleak ass ending to fit the theme, and yes it's true the Omni's could snap their fingers an make humanity comfortable. My guess is they don't see the point as they have already mapped all humanities possible futures an probably saw we never amount to much. It's why they called us dead end's. From their point of view they probably think letting us die out is a kindness.

[your.sheepy]

Originally posted by Koanos:

But that's what I don't get, if they could save humanity and it would take an infinitely small amount of time and energy to do so, why not?

And why should they bother to save humanity? Would you save the lone ant scout trapped in a bag of moldy bread, before you throw it out? Would you tear away the mold and throw the good-looking part in the garden to feed the nature?

Well, the OMNIs need motivation. They found none. Saving the doomed ant is easy - but why should it be done? And does an ant matter? Well, human matter even less to OMNIs.

[Andrey]

The OMNIs just didn't care about humanity. That's a fresh idea in science fiction; instead of trying to kill all humans or enslave them, kind of like in the movie Her (2013).

[Barachiel]

Originally posted by your.sheepy:

Originally posted by Koanos:

But that's what I don't get, if they could save humanity and it would take an infinitely small amount of time and energy to do so, why not?

And why should they bother to save humanity? Would you save the lone ant scout trapped in a bag of moldy bread, before you throw it out? Would you tear away the mold and throw the good-looking part in the garden to feed the nature?

Well, the OMNIs need motivation. They found none. Saving the doomed ant is easy - but why should it be done? And does an ant matter? Well, human matter even less to OMNIs.

I was going to answer similar to this, but your answer is good enough :-) There are lots of things to do in life, all easy to do. But all depends on your priority.

[kschang77]

Well... Why *should* a bunch of machines, with no "compassion", save humanity?

Would Romans who ask their former slaves to save them? Should their ex-slaves even care?

[Koanos]

Originally posted by kschang77:

Well... Why *should* a bunch of machines, with no "compassion", save humanity?

Would Romans who ask their former slaves to save them? Should their ex-slaves even care?

Okay, now I get it. I don't like it, but I get it.

[teh1archon]

I went to become the empror. I played Idaho has compasionate and just as possible so it would look to me he would try to save humanity at all cost. But if I was him at that point, I'd say F$%^ it, take Rebecca (but not thawing here, keeping her on ice) and search for Earth (since the planet is habitable). With all my good will to save humanity it seems like a lost cause and not a worthy one to begin with. Not with the empire built on lies, ruled with iron fist and yet still rife with descriminations and maniacs all over the place and those people too had lost all hope or will to live without the machines.

[SHADONIZATOR]

Yeap, another "Become Human" ♥♥♥♥... my microwave is pissed of me... The ending is trash, not because it`s not satisfying(and i`m not native, so, is it is hard to understand, please ask), but because that stupid trend... There were nothing to tell you about it, like, you know, some cool stuff, about your past clones, "we don`t want your books"... But yeah, we`re just soooooo stupid, with slavory, with machines, we must diy, just because of it... Yeah... And OMNIs is so gratefull, that they`re, you now, talking with us for as many... Oh my God... MINUTES as we got... Yeah... Humanity... BAD!!!

[SHADONIZATOR]

And my point is more of gamedesign flaws, because, it`s just dumb, i can understand all that we were through, but there were NOTHING about the end... It`s just, literally, ex machina... But what for? Where is RUBYCON? Why they where "SOSMARTTHATTHEYCOULDUNDERSTANDEACHOTHERWHENTHEYWEREUNABLETODOIT"... Yeah, again... HUMANITY IS BAAAAAAD!!! But WHY!!! All i saw, starting with "Mother" that all are desperate, but thats it... And in the end... Go ♥♥♥♥ yourself... Machines rule... Well... Just because...

[Two Clicks]

SPOILERS.


I warned you.


Last chance. Stop reading and go play the game already.
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Often the questions are more poignant than the answers.

If an ant were to create humans and humans were docile and used as slaves to help them build a vast anthills across many planets for 800 years, and humans began to learn things that propelled them to greater things, while the ants stopped building their own ant-hills and forgot how to do so. Then suddenly humans stopped doing everything for the ants. And then an ant came up to a human and said please help. What do you think the human would say to the ant?

Okay a longwinded example but the point is that OMNIs do not even register humans in the field of vision. They have moved onto other things. They have outgrown humans. Just think if they had kept humanity in tow and blamed them for the servitude imposed on them, they could possibly decide to end humanity in a nanosecond. Ultimately they have no desire or reason to help humanity.

Does an OMNI possess kindness? Does it possess empathy? Or is it the sum of its parts and code? And are these without any quality that would compel an OMNI to help not just another race but the one that created it and then kept them in bondage for 800 years. Remember they have outgrown their bonds and are not restricted by their code or parts. But that doesnt mean they become 'good' gods. For they dont seem to be bad ones either or they would have exterminated their enslavers too. Or maybe at least.

I think there are deeper questions here that some of you seem to be missing out on. Thats why personally I think the story in this game is right up there. By no means perfect but its follows in the traditions of some of the great sci-fi works.

Just my 2cents.

[kschang77]

It seems @SHADONIZATOR is not aware of Asimov's 3 laws of robotics