I need Tiki Taka tips

[DarkSerenityX]

Guys, have you been able to make a truly effective Tiki Taka? I play for Man city and have trouble finishing and scoring more than 1-2 per game, despite having Mbappe, Isco and Casemiro in addition to current City players. Tried different solutions but it seems like i have to sacrifice possession to score more.

Any ideas?

[Scruxx]

I think the match engine isnt done yet, i would wait for the next patch and see how it works after the patch. It has problems with through balls and a few other things.

[Cheekyhalfling]

ME is broken at the moment, as always actually. Dont think they have ever fixed the issues... But dont worry, im sure we will never get bored of the opposition scoring long balls over the top constantly.

[guerreiro1141]

Your chemistry of the tactic is in the maximun?

[DarkSerenityX]

Originally posted by guerreiro1141:

Your chemistry of the tactic is in the maximun?

Positive. Its not like i didnt win the season unbeaten, and i also won the Champions league, but i want football to be perfect

[Slainpessimist]

shorter passing, get creative shouts.
I would mention pressing but it's broken atm.

[Spud]

Just as important as tactics are the players technical ability, mental agility and knowledge of the tactic gained from experience of playing together as a unit over an extended period of time. It is impossible to just assemble a team and get them to play Tika Taka out of the box, maybe with an exceptionally gifted squad already well endowed with the required attributes you could do it against lesser teams, but in order to create a side that does it successfully with fluidity over an entire season and against top sides requires much work and investment of time.

Remember Barcelona pioneered and executed the system so perfectly because the core of the team had been playing together in that way since the ages of 10 and 11 at La Masia.

I managed to get Crystal Palace playing a nice quick short passing and attacking game in FM17, but it all began with the U18's and U23's, it took about 5 seasons of drilling and developing the youth teams before I could see any pleasing results in first team games, it was maybe 7-8 seasons before we were pinging the ball around like Barca against top tier opposition.

Tika Taka is not so much a tactic as it is a complete philosophy, and as such requires full commitment and long term forward planning, it all begins with a great scouting and youth recruitment set up, the best backroom staff, top facilities, the right kind of 15 and 16 year olds, an extremely focused approach to team training and individual player development and above all patience.

[DarkSerenityX]

Originally posted by Blitzer:

Just as important as tactics are the players technical ability, mental agility and knowledge of the tactic gained from experience of playing together as a unit over an extended period of time. It is impossible to just assemble a team and get them to play Tika Taka out of the box, maybe with an exceptionally gifted squad already well endowed with the required attributes you could do it against lesser teams, but in order to create a side that does it successfully with fluidity over an entire season and against top sides requires much work and investment of time.

Remember Barcelona pioneered and executed the system so perfectly because the core of the team had been playing together in that way since the ages of 10 and 11 at La Masia.

I managed to get Crystal Palace playing a nice quick short passing and attacking game in FM17, but it all began with the U18's and U23's, it took about 5 seasons of drilling and developing the youth teams before I could see any pleasing results in first team games, it was maybe 7-8 seasons before we were pinging the ball around like Barca against top tier opposition.

Tika Taka is not so much a tactic as it is a complete philosophy, and as such requires full commitment and long term forward planning, it all begins with a great scouting and youth recruitment set up, the best backroom staff, top facilities, the right kind of 15 and 16 year olds, an extremely focused approach to team training and individual player development and above all patience.

Look, i have the best players in the world. May be I should sign Messi as well? He is getting old though.

[fourfourtwo79]

FM from my experience has never suscribed to the misconception that having the best players in the world means scoring loads. According to various analytics, for instance, Salah last term scored about 7 goals more than what would be expected off the "average" player on his level giving his chances. In other words, Liverpool benefited fielding him once in every fifth match average. Or rather off his superior finishing traits, as off the ball skills etc. may produce a few additional chances themselves. https://understat.com/league/EPL/2017 FM lacks that kinda feedback, but it should try to have some of it fast.

You could always test this with FM's editor actually. Generally, any competitive sports is about fine margins, regardless of the garbage that tends to be perpetuated on television, oft even by pundits. Teams that tend to have the most chances also tend to miss the most, and vice versa. Clubs spend millions in attempts to go a few extra percentages, and oft fail. Even Ronaldo last term went 4-5 months barely scoring a goal in La Liga, despite having over 100 shots to score (CR7 has averaged 7 attempts every match over his career in general to average a goal per match).

Guardiola hates the term "tiki-taka" btw, and what it seems to imply. You see, his possession statistics are a byproduct of his prefered style of stretching opposition defenses. He also faces a lot of (/defensive) teams that let his sides have the ball. Possession in itself can be mainly a defensive tool too though, see van Gaal. Dunno as of FM19 yet, but the more common mistake historically FM'ers tend to make is the following: They tend to keep the pitch in possession small and compact. Whilst that makes it much harder to drop the ball, naturally, it also typically decreases the likelyhood of scoring. Shots may go off, but usually not in much space (set piece based affairs included). In other words, they aim to mimic Guardiola, as far as the limited engine allows -- and turn out to be van Gaals instead.

That said, City last term converted every 6th shot into a goal (seasonal shot conversion 16%). So far that has always been possible to approach in-game with a more possession oriented affair. The tactics shared on community sites even surpass that, usually by exploiting the many defensive and engine AI flaws, at which point the game isn't much of a contest anymore, let alone "football". :D