Been trying to get into Killer 7

[teufel_barde]

So I fired this thing up earlier today and gave it an honest try. Two hours later and I am sat here puzzled over, well...everything. I get that the plot slowly unravels as time goes on, but within the first two hours I can definitively say I can't stand how slow the text is when it comes to the in level dialog (not the cutscenes), and the combat is, for me, fine. it reminds me of eternal darkness of all things, the way you severe limbs and such, only this time with bullets.

I've put up with some hot piles of trash to get to good plot in my time (Planescape torment: Awful combat, one of the greatest videogame stories ever told), but when it's giving me a headache dealing with the clunky dialog and a gimp telling me we're in a tight spot every minute, only to then give me an overly vague and condescending mini-rant about how I should give up and turn back, I can't help but feel like I should considering that I'm not really having fun right now.

I'm weighing up three options: Watch all the cutscenes of the game in a youtube video. Force myself to play for another two hours and see if it improves or see if I can find a mod that allows for sped up dialog (All I want is a button that'll allow me to speed up dialog, not skip it entirely).

I've been a big fan of Suda's work for years, Shadows of the damned is a personal favourite of mine and I enjoyed killer is dead far more than I probably should have. While this isn't like his later works, that's fine by me, I just wish I could get to the story without having to deal with slow speaking gimps that may be telling me something important or not.

[YinYin]

Gonna be honest, if you don't enjoy Iwazarus delivery, skip it. It takes multiple play throughs to get what the heck he's on about anyway - so the "critical" information likely won't parse in the first place.

Continue for the mechanics and aestetics, if you enjoy those.

[teufel_barde]

I finished the first level earlier today and a bit of the second. Definitely provides better context for most of what is happening, but Iwazaru does my head in. I'll watch a youtube movie of the whole thing, but I wont refund it, I only refund truly ♥♥♥♥♥♥ titles, and this one obviously has heart.

[Arale//Zero]

As you've probably noticed, the plot (or at least a plot you can understand) doesn't actually start until Sunset, in which the characters talk about relevant things instead of just tutorials.

Even if you watch the game on YouTube, the NPC dialogue will still be just as slow there, and if you're just watching the voiced cutscenes you'll be missing out on important story. In fact many parts of the game blur the line between gameplay and cutscene (see: Harman shooting Kun Lan at the end of Angel, it transitions from gameplay to cutscene seamlessly as soon as you shoot his hand.)

By the way, Shadows of the Damned and Killer is Dead aren't really "Suda's work", he had relatively minor roles on them compared to killer7 which he wrote, designed and directed all on his own.

[teufel_barde]

I watched a pretty decent youtube one which covered most of the boss fights as well as cutscenes and so on. I'm still confused, and I doubt a full playthrough would really illuminate my perspective on the matter.

All I can really tell is that it's partly about how the USA influences politics across the world and how itself is a corrupt and bloated mass, who's real powers are not the president and politicans but those influencers behind which people get into those seats of power in the first place.The other half revolving around the multiple personalities of the smiths and how they work just went completely over my head. Then again, I've never been one for more 'symbolic' story telling.

I can see the appeal of this, but I doubt i'll ever be able to fully grasp what happened.

[General Winter]

Originally posted by teufel_barde:

I watched a pretty decent youtube one which covered most of the boss fights as well as cutscenes and so on. I'm still confused, and I doubt a full playthrough would really illuminate my perspective on the matter.

All I can really tell is that it's partly about how the USA influences politics across the world and how itself is a corrupt and bloated mass, who's real powers are not the president and politicans but those influencers behind which people get into those seats of power in the first place.The other half revolving around the multiple personalities of the smiths and how they work just went completely over my head. Then again, I've never been one for more 'symbolic' story telling.

I can see the appeal of this, but I doubt i'll ever be able to fully grasp what happened.

honestly you're not suppose to, its intentionally cryptic

its easier to let the motions go through and take things as you will, it becomes more clear and clear as you continue; but i would say just do a full playthrough just to get the base story and then watch an in depth analysis or something afterward which would spoil the game for you if you hadn't played through it at least once

[Simna ibn Sind]

Originally posted by Arcueid:

almost two hours in first level just because the security panel and blood puzzles, this game is destroying my unique brain cell

I believe in u

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by Arcueid:

Originally posted by Simna ibn Sind:

I believe in u

welp, the game didnt tell me about the special moves of the 7 killers but at least i managed to complete that chapter

They tell you if you talk to the tutorial guy.

But yeah, the game is a puzzle, shooter, political thriller (but hiding it all behind a lot of vague weirdness)

[EYCualquiera]

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Originally posted by Arcueid:

welp, the game didnt tell me about the special moves of the 7 killers but at least i managed to complete that chapter

They tell you if you talk to the tutorial guy.

But yeah, the game is a puzzle, shooter, political thriller (but hiding it all behind a lot of vague weirdness)

Welp, i just beat the game and i've gotta say it, i really liked it, my only complain is...the tutorial

[JawhnWickPrawdPrawnsMan]

I finished it last week and I will say that the beginning was incredibly difficult to comprehend I'd say if you're stuck on a puzzle google it because there's some puzzles that you would only be able to figure out once you've got a grasp of the games internal logic - which in order to understand you have to have somehow figured out said original puzzles.

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by EYCualquiera:

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

They tell you if you talk to the tutorial guy.

But yeah, the game is a puzzle, shooter, political thriller (but hiding it all behind a lot of vague weirdness)

Welp, i just beat the game and i've gotta say it, i really liked it, my only complain is...the tutorial

Yeah, I agree that on a first run they expect you to sit in the save room and read a ton of tutorials to get an idea of how the game even works.

[General Winter]

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Originally posted by EYCualquiera:

Welp, i just beat the game and i've gotta say it, i really liked it, my only complain is...the tutorial

Yeah, I agree that on a first run they expect you to sit in the save room and read a ton of tutorials to get an idea of how the game even works.

Back in the good ol' days games used to come with physical instruction manuals

There's quite a few games from this era where you're expected to review external manual of sorts and even player guides for full playthroughs before youtube and other websites took that over for free