The new enforcer in the bar area in Paris....

[Amphetamine]

So this guy wasn't in the original version of the map. He patrols the large bar and outdoor area beside the bar and becomes suspicious, then will shoot you, for being in the public bar area in your default suit. It doesn't make any sense and breaks gameplay rules that were previously established by the game.

I hope it's a bug, because if not then it's a stupid and illogical change with no reasoning behind it that I can see.

[Hyperion Biga]

It's a bit dumb yeah. Breaking the logic of the game, where people have always reason why they are enforcers, like the PI in Sapienza. Or personal bodyguard who's whole job is to know suspicious people. Or members of the same profession group.

But not that big deal. Luckily they didn't sprinkle these random enforcers into all maps, or in excessive amounts. It's to encourage crowd blending, which is quite easy in that area so avoiding him isn't really an issue IMO. Leaving it out would've been better however, it just doesn't fit with the logic. Treading into the waters of Absolution's stupid enforcers, even if only with a toe tip

[Shoebsy]

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47 is a legend in his field. If a guard is aware of the legends about a bald, barcoded man in a tux who kills wealthy and influential people, and you see someone exactly like that while you're busy protecting some weahlthy and influential person, you can get suspicious enough to try and halt the guy to question him.

Just a theory. Does it sound sensible?

So there is just ONE random guard that is suspicious of 47? Not the head of security, not any of the other guards who are in the public area, but just one guard is suspicious?

It's a video game, so video game logic.. *But*

It's not so much a 'suspicion' as it is for that guard to have 'aware'. Most guards who recognize 47 in uniform, are people in charge of others.. someone who'd know the faces of people he's in charge of.

"One" guard is usually a commander, or VIP or whatever.

[Kunovega]

It's just one guard doing his job well: looking for suspicious people.

That's one of the busiest areas of the party with people mingling and talking. One random guy standing apart quietly casing the room would be suspicious, the guard just asks 47 what's going on, like any staff might ask if they can help you.

47 doesn't respond, now you have a suspicious person not actually participating in the party and not responding to a curious guards question, it's 47 that escalates this

Or you blend with the crowds and the guard takes no notice.

The other guards all have their own agenda and areas of patrol. That one guard is watching a room full of people mingling, it's at least noteworthy if 47 is standing apart, it would look like someone planning something

In the end it's just game mechanics, like crowd blending itself you are being shown an abstract of it and not a realistic depiction of what would be required to pull it off

[Klauth]

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But not that big deal. Luckily they didn't sprinkle these random enforcers into all maps, or in excessive amounts.

Sure, but the other day, I discovered why I never play Mumbai: this is because of all universal enforcers ruining any walk in public areas.
Clearly, those public enforcers suck when in numbers.

[Kunovega]

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But not that big deal. Luckily they didn't sprinkle these random enforcers into all maps, or in excessive amounts.

Sure, but the other day, I discovered why I never play Mumbai: this is because of all universal enforcers ruining any walk in public areas.
Clearly, those public enforcers suck when in numbers.

That's at least explained, they are on alert for a foreign assassin. Certain disguises can get past them, they aren't 100% universal enforcers and there's tons of crowds and location blending points (shopping, sitting,etc) to easily avoid them anyway

[Duckilous]

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You clearly didn't play enough professional in the last game to realize how much it shares with the new professional mode

I can't believe I missed this comment, you may be right on 2018 Pro Mode is pretty much 2016 Pro Mode but you're wrong about your assumption that I haven't play 2016 Pro Mode enough.

It's bad enough I had to go SASO on all missions (especially Colorado) on 2016 Pro Mode with the ridiculous and broken viewcones, not to mention, replaying these missions several times to fill up all those Pro Masteries, now it's just insulting that some people assumed I don't have such experiences based on what I might've worded poorly.

[haz:mat]

it is a bit silly considering a white bald guy dressed as a famous Arabian Sheik can walk around the map pretty much anywhere, unquestioned lol

Enforcer logic = that bald white guy wearing standard white rich people clothes at a white rich people event, might be an assassin... but that white guy pretending to be that same brown skinned sheik I saw walking around earlier, "nah. he cool"

[Bouncer]

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it is a bit silly considering a white bald guy dressed as a famous Arabian Sheik can walk around the map pretty much anywhere, unquestioned lol

Enforcer logic = that bald white guy wearing standard white rich people clothes at a white rich people event, might be an assassin... but that white guy pretending to be that same brown skinned sheik I saw walking around earlier, "nah. he cool"

The sheik is said to be famously reclusive so very few people know what he looks like.
Course it is still a bit silly 47 can fool people into thinking he's arab, but 47 stands out no matter what disguise he wears, that's been more or less a running joke since the first game.

As for that bar enforcer, he can be explained somewhat but mostly he's just weird. But he's the only one of his kind in the entire game, so I don't see why it's such a big deal.

[Kunovega]

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it is a bit silly considering a white bald guy dressed as a famous Arabian Sheik can walk around the map pretty much anywhere, unquestioned lol

Enforcer logic = that bald white guy wearing standard white rich people clothes at a white rich people event, might be an assassin... but that white guy pretending to be that same brown skinned sheik I saw walking around earlier, "nah. he cool"

The sheik is said to be famously reclusive so very few people know what he looks like.
Course it is still a bit silly 47 can fool people into thinking he's arab, but 47 stands out no matter what disguise he wears, that's been more or less a running joke since the first game.

As for that bar enforcer, he can be explained somewhat but mostly he's just weird. But he's the only one of his kind in the entire game, so I don't see why it's such a big deal.

The background on 47 is that he is cloned from 5 different men of various ethnic backgrounds, he's supposed to look like he could be from various Europe, Asia or mixed Middle Eastern backgrounds, because he actually is.

His genetic fathers:
Lee Hong: Chinese (Asian)
Pablo Belisario Ochoa: Columbian (Hispanic)
Frantz Fuchs: Austrian (Caucasian)
Arkadij Jegorov: Kazakh (Middle Eastern)
Otto Wolfgang Ort-Meyer: German (but with Jewish decent)

[Ellye]

One thing I think would be a nice middle ground for this kind of situation is for guards to go for non-lethal approach in those cases (unless Agent 47 is visibly carrying something that can be used as a weapon).

Because I think security wouldn't risk shooting at someone in a public access area because of a hunch that this person might be a threat. Those security would be in serious, life long, trouble if their hunch was wrong.

So maybe the guards would initiate a melee brawl if Agent 47 refuses to move away when they demand, instead of trying to shoot.

From a gameplay perspective, this wouldn't really change much from the way it already is, in practice. It's just an immersion thing.

[Bouncer]

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One thing I think would be a nice middle ground for this kind of situation is for guards to go for non-lethal approach in those cases (unless Agent 47 is visibly carrying something that can be used as a weapon).

Because I think security wouldn't risk shooting at someone in a public access area because of a hunch that this person might be a threat. Those security would be in serious, life long, trouble if their hunch was wrong.

So maybe the guards would initiate a melee brawl if Agent 47 refuses to move away when they demand, instead of trying to shoot.

From a gameplay perspective, this wouldn't really change much from the way it already is, in practice. It's just an immersion thing.

Yeah this would be really nice to have. The current system works perfect for guards who treat the law as guidelines, but the many cops and bodyguards really should use melee combat and tasers for the times 47 hasn't broken the law that badly yet.

[Klauth]

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Sure, but the other day, I discovered why I never play Mumbai: this is because of all universal enforcers ruining any walk in public areas.
Clearly, those public enforcers suck when in numbers.

That's at least explained, they are on alert for a foreign assassin. Certain disguises can get past them, they aren't 100% universal enforcers and there's tons of crowds and location blending points (shopping, sitting,etc) to easily avoid them anyway

Actually, I'd like to know which disguises get past them in Mumbai.
It would surely encourage me to play Mumbai more ...
I'm really put down trying to escape in a complete ocean of enforcers ...

[Bouncer]

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That's at least explained, they are on alert for a foreign assassin. Certain disguises can get past them, they aren't 100% universal enforcers and there's tons of crowds and location blending points (shopping, sitting,etc) to easily avoid them anyway

Actually, I'd like to know which disguises get past them in Mumbai.
It would surely encourage me to play Mumbai more ...
I'm really put down trying to escape in a complete ocean of enforcers ...

The barber is a safe outfit for that part.

[Kunovega]

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That's at least explained, they are on alert for a foreign assassin. Certain disguises can get past them, they aren't 100% universal enforcers and there's tons of crowds and location blending points (shopping, sitting,etc) to easily avoid them anyway

Actually, I'd like to know which disguises get past them in Mumbai.
It would surely encourage me to play Mumbai more ...
I'm really put down trying to escape in a complete ocean of enforcers ...

There's only like 4 or 5 enforcers searching the main streets and they are all near crowds and blending points, very easily avoided. I hardly even notice they exist anymore.

I'd have to retest every disguise but just off the top of my head:

The Holy Man (patrolling the slums), The Barber, Lead Actor(Gregory Arthur), The Laundry Worker, The Artist and The (regular) Dancer (on the ground in laundry or from the tower) all have a special set up. They get you past "all but one" of the wandering patrols, each has a different singular enforcer that spots them but walks past the others just fine in the streets.

Still others like The Tailor make you immune to about half of them, but not all.

As for being completely ignored, I think: Vanya's Servant, Metal Forge Worker, Queens Guard, Laundry Foreman and a few others can walk past all the street patrols.

There's a lot of disguises in Mumbai, many that are area specific to be ignored or make you ignored by "all but one" or at least most. But really, even in the suit you shouldn't have any trouble getting around using crowd blending or blending points where you look at stuff for sale or sit in chairs/benches, none of the patrols stand in one place, all have a short vision range and all can be avoided easily by using the mechanics provided.

Mumbai is very easy to hate on your first play through, but spend any time learning it and the depths and variety are vast and no other map uses the crowd and blending mechanics so extensively or has as wide a variety of disguise differences in who can spot you depending on what you are wearing.

[Klauth]

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Actually, I'd like to know which disguises get past them in Mumbai.
It would surely encourage me to play Mumbai more ...
I'm really put down trying to escape in a complete ocean of enforcers ...

There's only like 4 or 5 enforcers searching the main streets and they are all near crowds and blending points, very easily avoided. I hardly even notice they exist anymore.

I'd have to retest every disguise but just off the top of my head:

The Holy Man (patrolling the slums), The Barber, Lead Actor(Gregory Arthur), The Laundry Worker, The Artist and The (regular) Dancer (on the ground in laundry or from the tower) all have a special set up. They get you past "all but one" of the wandering patrols, each has a different singular enforcer that spots them but walks past the others just fine in the streets.

Still others like The Tailor make you immune to about half of them, but not all.

As for being completely ignored, I think: Vanya's Servant, Metal Forge Worker, Queens Guard, Laundry Foreman and a few others can walk past all the street patrols.

There's a lot of disguises in Mumbai, many that are area specific to be ignored or make you ignored by "all but one" or at least most. But really, even in the suit you shouldn't have any trouble getting around using crowd blending or blending points where you look at stuff for sale or sit in chairs/benches, none of the patrols stand in one place, all have a short vision range and all can be avoided easily by using the mechanics provided.

Mumbai is very easy to hate on your first play through, but spend any time learning it and the depths and variety are vast and no other map uses the crowd and blending mechanics so extensively or has as wide a variety of disguise differences in who can spot you depending on what you are wearing.

Thanks a lot for this. I think I'll try Mumbai a bit more, now :)