Why is Sniper Assassin so grindy?

[Wintermute]

I like the mode, but do we really need to run it 50+ times just to get to mastery 20?

And yes, I know "nobody is forcing me". But it's hard to ignore in a game centered around 100% completion of everything.

[Mr_Faorry]

Yeah sniper Assassin is pretty grindy. However Siberia is the only one with an unlock tied to it so you can just ignore the others, and the Siberia unlock isn't the best anyway so you could ignore it without any real penalty if you find it too annoying to do.
The best way to do it is just to play a few rounds of the map whenever you play and then do other stuff for the rest of the time so that you aren't doing the same thing for too long.

Also the game isn't centred around 100% completion, it's centred around assassinating your target(s) in fun, interesting and different ways.

[🎇TYPHOON🎇]

Because it's camper mode. Why would a camper complain about too much camping anyways? Real campers would be satisfied that they have to sit in one spot for a very long time, so why aren't you?

[StingingVelvet]

I would guess because it's so short they made it more grindy to feel more substantial.

[Gaunter O'Dimm]

there is no incentive to grind for mastery level 20 in either austria or singapoure, only siberia rewards you with an item

[Kunovega]

Originally posted by Other Barry:

there is no incentive to grind for mastery level 20 in either austria or singapoure, only siberia rewards you with an item

There's the incentive of a better sniper rifle within that particular mission for those who actually play sniper assassin.

Considering the popularity of the actual Hitman Sniper game, there are people who play this type of mode. But they also aren't the ones complaining that they have something to do in it.

[halfmonkey]

The unlocked Siberian rifle is the one instance where you can get a suppressed AND penetrating shot long range firearm. This allows for a Whittleton Creek "Two-fer/One Bullet" assassination (without the usual panic of the standard "body piercing" Druzhina) if you get the targets to meet, or a ridiculously easy way to complete the Sapienza Sniper Assassin challenge without having to lure Francesca outside. [It will penetrate the bookcase she is usually behind in her mansion office.]

The grindy nature of this sniper map is actually less than the previous sniper maps. It's possible to score Silent Assassin in about 3 minutes 30 seconds, with all targets hidden and mostly headshots, once you learn the map. The other maps require far more setup to hide all targets and a bit more time to finesse all headshots.

[Gaunter O'Dimm]

Originally posted by Kunovega:

There's the incentive of a better sniper rifle within that particular mission for those who actually play sniper assassin.

And once you have full mastery and the best possible rifle in that mission, you have absolutely zero reasons to use it. I highly doubt anyone can enjoy a playthrough of Hantu Port after having completed it already for ~50 times to get the mastery up.

[LuftWafflës]

They should have included some way to know how far along you are on the weapon mastery, i.e. what gives you points towards it, and not just score.

I would consider grinding siberia for the gun but at the end of every round its a mystery how many points ill get towards level 20. I wait and boom, 1/3 a level up. Its disappointing

[Xeno Metora]

yea it's dumb

[Kunovega]

Originally posted by LuftWafflës:

They should have included some way to know how far along you are on the weapon mastery, i.e. what gives you points towards it, and not just score.

I would consider grinding siberia for the gun but at the end of every round its a mystery how many points ill get towards level 20. I wait and boom, 1/3 a level up. Its disappointing

It does show you

[LuftWafflës]

Originally posted by Kunovega:

It does show you

I cant find the numbers anywhere. Its like all they show you is what you get for each level, and not what the points required for each level are. I did notice in the lower right after completing a round it showed a number to next level, but its not enough info. At this point i'm lucky if I can get 1,300,000 a round and average 500k. Id hate to see it takes 100,000,000 to get to level 20 from my current 13.

[Mr_Faorry]

Originally posted by LuftWafflës:

Originally posted by Kunovega:

It does show you

I cant find the numbers anywhere. Its like all they show you is what you get for each level, and not what the points required for each level are. I did notice in the lower right after completing a round it showed a number to next level, but its not enough info. At this point i'm lucky if I can get 1,300,000 a round and average 500k. Id hate to see it takes 100,000,000 to get to level 20 from my current 13.

There is no xp count to tell how much for max level, there's only an xp count for the amount needed to progress to the next level.
Going from 19-20 takes 12.000.000 xp iirc, so from 13-20 I'm gonna pull a number out my arse and guess you need around 50.000.000 to do that.

I was able to get around 2.400.000 xp per round fairly consistently for about 3 minutes per run when I was doing it. You need to chain together headshots as much as possible to get xp bonuses and make sure you have all challenges unlocked for that 3x score multiplier, that coupled with the 2x SA score multiplier will increase your score by 6x on the final screen and will speeds things right up.
I'm sure there are plenty of walkthroughs on youtube showing optimal methods to bring score up and time down if you really care about it.

[Kunovega]

Originally posted by LuftWafflës:

Originally posted by Kunovega:

It does show you

I cant find the numbers anywhere. Its like all they show you is what you get for each level, and not what the points required for each level are. I did notice in the lower right after completing a round it showed a number to next level, but its not enough info. At this point i'm lucky if I can get 1,300,000 a round and average 500k. Id hate to see it takes 100,000,000 to get to level 20 from my current 13.

It shows you a progress bar for each level and tells you how many levels out of 20 you have done and it shows you in mastery how many levels you have unlocked and how far you have to go.

It's easy enough to see how much the bar moves each time you play, you know what level you are on and the details page shows you the point break downs of what xp you gained and for what

[Klauth]

Originally posted by Kunovega:

Originally posted by LuftWafflës:

I cant find the numbers anywhere. Its like all they show you is what you get for each level, and not what the points required for each level are. I did notice in the lower right after completing a round it showed a number to next level, but its not enough info. At this point i'm lucky if I can get 1,300,000 a round and average 500k. Id hate to see it takes 100,000,000 to get to level 20 from my current 13.

It shows you a progress bar for each level and tells you how many levels out of 20 you have done and it shows you in mastery how many levels you have unlocked and how far you have to go.

It's easy enough to see how much the bar moves each time you play, you know what level you are on and the details page shows you the point break downs of what xp you gained and for what

At the same time, you have no idea how far you are from L20, like Luft said, only how far from next level, discovering, every PT, you progress very few level ratio vs. previous level.
It's not that easy. One would assume it is linear, like sandbox maps are, but it is not.
It's actually exponential with a factor: you reach L2 very quick, then 3 less quick etc .... And then from L19 to L20, it's like 12 000 000 like was said.

I've not done the exact maths, determining the factor and equation, too bored about the system, but it is indeed very unfair to players, causing quite some frustration, including with me.

It's a bad system in my books.

[Kunovega]

Originally posted by Klauth:

Originally posted by Kunovega:

It shows you a progress bar for each level and tells you how many levels out of 20 you have done and it shows you in mastery how many levels you have unlocked and how far you have to go.

It's easy enough to see how much the bar moves each time you play, you know what level you are on and the details page shows you the point break downs of what xp you gained and for what

At the same time, you have no idea how far you are from L20, like Luft said, only how far from next level, discovering, every PT, you progress very few level ratio vs. previous level.
It's not that easy. One would assume it is linear, like sandbox maps are, but it is not.
It's actually exponential with a factor: you reach L2 very quick, then 3 less quick etc .... And then from L19 to L20, it's like 12 000 000 like was said.

I've not done the exact maths, determining the factor and equation, too bored about the system, but it is indeed very unfair to players, causing quite some frustration, including with me.

It's a bad system in my books.

I never said it couldn't be improved, I was just responding to this:

Originally posted by LuftWafflës:

They should have included some way to know how far along you are on the weapon mastery

Which implies there's no way to know at all, when there is. You can see how many levels you've completed, it shows you in mastery and it shows you a progress bar for each level as you achieve it

So yes there is some indication of how far along you are on the mastery, it's just not precise, you only know current level and an estimate bar for your next level

You still clearly know how many levels remain and even what unlocks you will get along the way. You aren't completely blind and guessing. There's always some indication of progress.