worth the buy for someone who wont buy dlcs?

[Jesus]

Im not going to give into any dlc spam from paradox again, is this just like the other paradox games where you need to buy the dlcs for a complete game?

[Skippah]

So far you don’t need any DLC’s. I do not know how it will be in the future. Knowing Paradox’ entire business strategy is DLC’s I think soon more DLC’s will be released which might contain some core parts of the game. If you like the game I would suggest buying it on sale. Same goes for any future DLC’s.

For me honestly I do not regret spending the money on it shortly after release (meaning I paid full price). This is only because I know the game will get better with time, either through paid DLC’s or through free updates, only time will tell.

[The Doctor]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jesus:

Im not going to give into any dlc spam from paradox again, is this just like the other paradox games where you need to buy the dlcs for a complete game?

Of course it will be. This is the way they support their games after release. Everyone knows this and nobody will deny so you'd best avoid it and all other Paradox releases in the future.

[Jesus]

yep thanks guys ill pass this time

[Plague, M.D.]

im hesitant as well due to Paradox locking key gameplay mechanics behind pay walls. CK2 is easily the most expensive game I have ever owned because of all the dlc. im downloading imperator now for the free trial to check out, but i just dont know if i will buy it (even if i do enjoy the free trial) knowing i will be all but required to purchase $100 worth of dlc later down the line. im kind of over the whole "pay $4.99 to get this color banner" or "pay $19.99 to unlock these five countries to play as" or "pay $24.99 for the Caesar pack, extending the game beyond 27 bc."

its just too much pay wall.

[Jesus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Plague, M.D.:

im hesitant as well due to Paradox locking key gameplay mechanics behind pay walls. CK2 is easily the most expensive game I have ever owned because of all the dlc. im downloading imperator now for the free trial to check out, but i just dont know if i will buy it (even if i do enjoy the free trial) knowing i will be all but required to purchase $100 worth of dlc later down the line. im kind of over the whole "pay $4.99 to get this color banner" or "pay $19.99 to unlock these five countries to play as" or "pay $24.99 for the Caesar pack, extending the game beyond 27 bc."

its just too much pay wall.

yep agreed 100%

[The Doctor]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Plague, M.D.:

im hesitant as well due to Paradox locking key gameplay mechanics behind pay walls. CK2 is easily the most expensive game I have ever owned because of all the dlc. im downloading imperator now for the free trial to check out, but i just dont know if i will buy it (even if i do enjoy the free trial) knowing i will be all but required to purchase $100 worth of dlc later down the line. im kind of over the whole "pay $4.99 to get this color banner" or "pay $19.99 to unlock these five countries to play as" or "pay $24.99 for the Caesar pack, extending the game beyond 27 bc."

its just too much pay wall.

So, if you don't mind me asking, why did you buy all that DLC for CK2? It's one of Paradox's most unique and beloved titles and the one with the most DLC. The reason it got so much is because people wanted the game to continue to evolve. I know it's fashionable to miscast people who support this kind of practice as sheep, eloi or some other 'stupid folks' derogatory comment but we buy it because we want something new in a game we love that would otherwise grow stale. It keeps the gameplay fresh and so folks play titles like CK2 and EU4 for years and years after release.

I get people not wanting to repeat the experience every time a new game comes out but this is how their games become the games we want them to be. And we get free features with the free patches that accompany the release of a DLC. Everyone gets something even if rarely, it's something they don't want (Stellaris v2.0 is a good example :D ) The DLC funds the free stuff for all and they have to make the DLC worth paying for. If you want to miscall it as 'hiding features behind a pay wall', well, you can do that but if the DLC doesn't have enough desirable content to justify the price, that's the end of the game.

You can't have this kind of long-term support, or these kind of games without the release of DLC to support development. It's just a fact of life and it's surprising that we see such willfully uninformed opinions not only continually resurface but thrive.

And most of us don't need to own every new Paradox title. We all know how their games are made and developed so pick the one that appeals to you the most and follow it like folks did with CK2. It's not necessary to own every Paradox title with every DLC released. I would recommend you follow CK3's development and perhaps get into that instead.

[FatalError]

I'd say the DLCs will only make this game worse. If you want more diplomacy, I'm 100% sure there will be a diplomacy DLC. If they would fix the bugs and just stfu, this game would be a 5/10. But instead they'll keep making it worse and worse. So yeah, it's not good now, and it'll get worse so gg.

[.banana]

Without those DLC you wouldn't get updates for games that are X years old and a dedicated development and concept-team working years after the release at this title. They would release 1.0, maybe give some bugfixes and move along to the next title. You want this? Really? If you are such poor bums i'll advice on stopping playing Paradox Games and commence build Farmville on your mobile, where you are bothered every Minute with FREEMIUM-purchases.
These children nowadays don't know what they want. Simply stupid

[The Doctor]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von FatalError:

I'd say the DLCs will only make this game worse. If you want more diplomacy, I'm 100% sure there will be a diplomacy DLC. If they would fix the bugs and just stfu, this game would be a 5/10. But instead they'll keep making it worse and worse. So yeah, it's not good now, and it'll get worse so gg.

Well, that's an "interesting" opinion. Would you care to explain how you think DLC will make this game worse and worse? There are only two examples that I can think of that support your opinion. I'm going to anticipate you're going to cite Stellaris v2.0 and further as an example but for those of us who were okay with the changes, the game has indeed gotten better overall.

There was also a misstep with one of EU4's DLC where they purposefully restricted provincial development in the base game and you needed to buy the DLC if you wanted to develop your provinces. That was not a good idea IMO :D

But overall, DLC has improved their games. The last expansion for CK2, Holy Fury, was a wonderful expansion. Most CK2 fans would say it made the game better. The positives far outweigh the negatives and that needs to be considered when talking about DLC rather than just focussing only on the rare occasions when it made the game "worse", and worse is in quotes because, with the exception of the EU4 provincial development lock, most folks like the changes that the DLC brought.

[Plague, M.D.]

paradox is ridiculous with the dlc. i understand the need to continue support for the game, but come on. key gameplay mechanics get locked behind dlc paywalls.

the only reason i bought the dlc i did for ck2 is so i could play the HIP mod. if it wasnt for the HIP mod, i wouldnt have bought all the dlc.i have hoi3, hoi4, eu4, ck2, and stellaris. ck2 is thge only one i have purchased dlc for, again for the mod.

[.banana]

maybe we are playing this game differently. a playthrough for me at least lasts a month. by that time a new DLC comes which encourages me to start all over again with a new challenge with new features. Actually most of Paradox "DLC" function like classical expansion packs with the few optional cosmetics being exactly that, optional. Imo this just shows how successful they are with the model. Cities Skylines is another fine example. If you want to play only vanilla - go do it - you are free to do so. But i like my expansion packs.

[vivas]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jesus:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von .baNaNa:

maybe we are playing this game differently. a playthrough for me at least lasts a month. by that time a new DLC comes which encourages me to start all over again with a new challenge with new features. Actually most of Paradox "DLC" function like classical expansion packs with the few optional cosmetics being exactly that, optional. Imo this just shows how successful they are with the model. Cities Skylines is another fine example. If you want to play only vanilla - go do it - you are free to do so. But i like my expansion packs.

here we have a wild sheep who has given into paradoxs ♥♥♥♥♥♥ scams

Did it cross your mind that people might have a totaly different view on the matter without calling the other side sheep or whatever name you can think off?

[Skippah]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jesus:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von .baNaNa:

maybe we are playing this game differently. a playthrough for me at least lasts a month. by that time a new DLC comes which encourages me to start all over again with a new challenge with new features. Actually most of Paradox "DLC" function like classical expansion packs with the few optional cosmetics being exactly that, optional. Imo this just shows how successful they are with the model. Cities Skylines is another fine example. If you want to play only vanilla - go do it - you are free to do so. But i like my expansion packs.

here we have a wild sheep who has given into paradoxs ♥♥♥♥♥♥ scams

You ask for our opinion and then call someone a “wild sheep”. That is just sad. I agree with .baNaNa. Cities: Skylines is a fine example of how much a base game can improve with DLC’s. I think the same of Hearts of Iron IV, and perhaps I will think the same of Imperator Rome in time.

Everyone can decide for him or herself if they think a game is a justified purchase. If not, do not buy it.

[Plague, M.D.]

Maybe it’s because I’m older and remember when game devs didn’t do this, at least to the degree it is now. It has become industry standard to release bare bone games and lock key features behind future dlc, and for some reason people happily go along with it. Maybe if the game was $15 and the dlc would be around $5 but we all know that’s not how Paradox rolls. $15 for a couple new unit skins and some “flavor” text. Come on.

It’s completely subjective. For me, I don’t want to spend a bunch of money to make a game I already paid for complete. Therefor, I most likely won’t get into Imperator because I know there will be massive amounts of dlc to complete the game.

[Plague, M.D.]

after running through the tutorial, i have decided im probably going to buy this and also end up sinking $100 into dlc. *shakes fist at Paradox*

*paradox rubbing palms together* "good. gooooood."