Iceni pronunciation...

[Forbesy]

I've watched dozens of Iceni playthroughs now as I live in the area they ruled and in school we studied them in school.
One thing that has slightly started to annoy me is no one pronounces their name right. The correct name is I-key-ni.
None of the Celtic/Gallic languages have a soft C they pronounced a C as a K. It was the Romans who introduced a soft C.

Now you know.

[mbpoblet]

Wait, the Romans had a soft C? I thought they also pronounced C as a K...

[Montana]

I-tse-ni.

Don't start on correct pronunciation when then English language can't even pronounce Roman names right.

Pontius Pilatus turns into Pilate. Makes no sense.
Livius turns into Livy. What the hell?!
Marcus Antonius is suddenly Marc Anthony. Come on!

[Montana]

Originally posted by mbpoblet:

Wait, the Romans had a soft C? I thought they also pronounced C as a K...

That, too, is true. See "Caesar".

[mbpoblet]

Originally posted by El Bearsidente:

Originally posted by mbpoblet:

Wait, the Romans had a soft C? I thought they also pronounced C as a K...

That, too, is true. See "Caesar".

Yeah, but, I mean, veni, vidi, vici would be pronounced something like wenee, widee, wikee, right? (Obviously C in front of A, O, or U would be K, we still do that, the doubt was about when it's in front of E or I...)

[Mr. Wiggles]

Originally posted by mbpoblet:

Originally posted by El Bearsidente:

That, too, is true. See "Caesar".

Yeah, but, I mean, veni, vidi, vici would be pronounced wenee, widee, wikee, right?

V not w
You pronounce it as it is written like in spanish or italian, not strange pronunciation like in english

[Untitled_1]

Does it matter tho? Nobody pronounces Castille propperly in EU4, and good luck getting an English speaker to pronounce all the Arabic and Persian names. You're always gonna have mispronunciation issues in a historical media (hell, even historians can't agree on Boudica/Bodecia/whatever you want to call her)

[Mr. Wiggles]

Originally posted by mbpoblet:

Wait, the Romans had a soft C? I thought they also pronounced C as a K...

There are two schools of thought, here in italy we pronounce ae as a simple e and c as a soft c and not a k.

[mbpoblet]

Originally posted by Mr.Wiggles:

You pronounce it as it is written like in spanish or italian, not strange pronunciation like in english

Yeah, but I don't think they had the V sound, did they..? Wasn't it an equivalent to U?

[Mr. Wiggles]

Originally posted by hitlerslostbollock:

Does it matter tho? Nobody pronounces Castille propperly in EU4, and good luck getting an English speaker to pronounce all the Arabic and Persian names. You're always gonna have mispronunciation issues in a historical media (hell, even historians can't agree on Boudica/Bodecia/whatever you want to call her)

English people and especially us citizens look like completely retarded when it comes to foreign names pronunciation

[The Former]

I say "ai - SEE - nee" out of habit, as this is how I've always heard it in documentaries and such, but I'm almost sure it's wrong. As others have said, I'm pretty sure the Latin "c" was pronounced like a "k", for one thing. (Which would mean we're technically pronouncing "century" wrong as well.)

[Mr. Wiggles]

Originally posted by mbpoblet:

Originally posted by Mr.Wiggles:

You pronounce it as it is written like in spanish or italian, not strange pronunciation like in english

Yeah, but I don't think they had the V sound, did they..? Wasn't it an equivalent to U?

It depends, in vae victis we pronounce it “v” but sometimes it is pronounced u. I think thats because v and u were written the same way. Now in modern texts v is v and u is u

[Owlcoholic]

Originally posted by Mr.Wiggles:

Originally posted by mbpoblet:

Yeah, but I don't think they had the V sound, did they..? Wasn't it an equivalent to U?

It depends, in vae victis we pronounce it “v” but sometimes it is pronounced u. I think thats because v and u were written the same way. Now in modern texts v is v and u is u

V was always pronounced as a u by the early Romans, it's not until 1st century+ that the v sound came about. See this video for a little info on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyJlzd666og

[The Former]

It's still hard for me to get used to this. I'm rather used to "welites" now, but "wictoria" is hard to accept.

[Mr. Wiggles]

Originally posted by Owlcoholic:

Originally posted by Mr.Wiggles:

It depends, in vae victis we pronounce it “v” but sometimes it is pronounced u. I think thats because v and u were written the same way. Now in modern texts v is v and u is u

V was always pronounced as a u by the early Romans, it's not until 1st century+ that the v sound came about. See this video for a little info on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyJlzd666og

Afaik the pronunciation we use in italy come from the language spoken by commoners and priests, so it makes sense
Edit: i checked and yes, v and u were written the same way but had different sounds: Gaivs pronunciation was “gaius” and victoria was victoria. About the c and k the situation is quite complex

[Owlcoholic]

Weird, everything I've found about it is that v was always a u sound in the Republic era, so wai wik-tus instead of vae victus, or wee-noos instead of venus etc. I've been wrong before though :)