Why the hell do my allys get land when i sue for peace?

[Hoshen]

playing as massilia and took a good chunck of my province from the guals , when i sued for peace and clicked on the claim on the province i wanted my allys gained it, how in the hell does that work? i fabricated the claim my allies have no claim why do they get the land?? yes they sieged down one of the two territories but they went to war for my claim not for their landgrabs

[Hoshen]

Originally posted by Burke:

Why did the Russians get half of Europe after WW2? Sure, they sieged down one or two countries, but it was the Allies who were at war first!

thats a good point if the land they grabbed was connected to their territory its not and its going to be border gore :(

[The Void Boy]

who held the forts? who held the provincial captitals? that's what matters

[pmpdadypenguinmn]

If they want the land too and they occupy it, they wont turn over the occupation. If they seige the capitol in the province, then in the peace deal the province goes to them. If you call allies into a war you need to rush for the provinces that you want so they don't take it for themselves. It's also important to pay attention to the peace deal screen, it will tell you that you are giving the province to your ally

[♠.brT]

Were you the one who sieged the province? If it was your allies who sieged, then they assumed control of the province, and when you made your peace deal, you were effectively giving them the provinces. You can only take the provinces that you have control over it.

[Hoshen]

Originally posted by That Guy:

who held the forts? who held the provincial captitals? that's what matters

so why should i gain allies for war if they'll only end up taking the lands i want this seem rediculous, not only that but the alliances i forge are a waste of time as ill end up going to war with them for the land they have in my provinces

[Hoshen]

Originally posted by ♠.brT:

Were you the one who sieged the province? If it was your allies who sieged, then they assumed control of the province, and when you made your peace deal, you were effectively giving them the provinces. You can only take the provinces that you have control over it.

could i march in and take over the fort that my allies occupy?

[♠.brT]

Originally posted by Hoshen:

Originally posted by ♠.brT:

Were you the one who sieged the province? If it was your allies who sieged, then they assumed control of the province, and when you made your peace deal, you were effectively giving them the provinces. You can only take the provinces that you have control over it.

could i march in and take over the fort that my allies occupy?

Nope, they are your allies can't take land they own or occupy.

[Hoshen]

man this is frustrating i finally survive far enough as massilia to take over lands and my ally who is double my strength rolls in and takes half the province i need, think i need a break from this game back to ck2 for me

[♠.brT]

Originally posted by Hoshen:

Originally posted by That Guy:

who held the forts? who held the provincial captitals? that's what matters

so why should i gain allies for war if they'll only end up taking the lands i want this seem rediculous, not only that but the alliances i forge are a waste of time as ill end up going to war with them for the land they have in my provinces

Alliances are always a means to an end, never a long term thing, you get an ally with a specific purpose in mind and once that purpose is done you throw it away unceremoniously, as for your current problem, live and learn really, this is a pretty old but fair system, since it also allows you to screw the AI back if they ever call you into a war, I pretty much almost always cockblock my AI allies in EUIV doing exactly that, taking what they wanted and not giving it back.

[Galactic Origins]

this is not a time period for full blown diplomacy =
DONT have allies to help you conquer. If you cannot handle enemies alone or with vassals then you should not be conquering in this time period

imho, coalitions should not be in this time period as that is an advanced form of diplomacy

also, this is not eu4

[♠.brT]

Originally posted by Galactic Origins:

this is not a time period for full blown diplomacy =
DONT have allies to help you conquer. If you cannot handle enemies alone or with vassals then you should not be conquering in this time period

imho, coalitions should not be in this time period as that is an advanced form of diplomacy

also, this is not eu4

Well they aren't coalitions like EUIV, and this time period did had its share of alliances that were created because of the agressive expansion of an invading enemy. See the Gallic wars with Caesar, when different Tribes from Gaul banded together under Vercingetorix to fight off Caesar.
Or the Peloponnesian war fought between the Delian League led by Athens and the Peloponnesian League led by Sparta. Alliances were very much a thing in this time period.

[Hoshen]

i still think allies shouldnt get territory unless they have claims on it, but i think i need to play a easier nation before i start massilia

[♠.brT]

Originally posted by Hoshen:

i still think allies shouldnt get territory unless they have claims on it, but i think i need to play a easier nation before i start massilia

in EUIV they eventually created a way to tell the AI that you want that land, though the AI could still chose not to give it to you (don't think that feature exist in Imperator though) so maybe in the future they will add something like that, but until then, you just gotta work fast.

[Dray Prescot]

Think about from a different point of view: If another country was the War leader, when it comes time for the Peace Treaty, you want to get part of the spoils, particularly if you did a lot of fighting with your own forces and captured several provinces/cities and forts along your border.

Well the same thing is going to happen when you are the War Leader and your allies did a lot of the fighting along their borders. If they do not get what they think they deserve, they are going to be very unhappy with and may eventually break their Alliances and refuse to support you in future Wars. Even WORSE, you may end up having a future War against your FORMER Allies.

Keeping your Allies happy is an important part of games like Imperator, EU4, CK2, etc.

[Hoshen]

Originally posted by Dray Prescot:

Think about from a different point of view: If another country was the War leader, when it comes time for the Peace Treaty, you want to get part of the spoils, particularly if you did a lot of fighting with your own forces and captured several provinces/cities and forts along your border.

Well the same thing is going to happen when you are the War Leader and your allies did a lot of the fighting along their borders. If they do not get what they think they deserve, they are going to be very unhappy with and may eventually break their Alliances and refuse to support you in future Wars. Even WORSE, you may end up having a future War against your FORMER Allies.

Keeping your Allies happy is an important part of games like Imperator, EU4, CK2, etc.

Sure and let them have the spoils in gold and prestige the land is claimed by me the moment i "fabricated claims". Here's something i just thought of, if i fabricated claims on the land shouldnt i still have a causes belle on that land? in CK2 if i had a claim on Wessex or normandy it wouldnt matter who the current owner of those duchies(provinces) was i still had a claim on it, So if i were to call my ally to my war on my claims and they ended up owners of the land i would see it as a sign of agression i just went to war for that land why the hell would i just give it up? in my war for massilias province( dont remember the name of it) they took all of the land while i fought my enemies armies. Regardless of this i ended up restarting my game in frustration i guess i need to slow down and read everything im still learning this games mechanics and losing so much man power,gold, and time and having someone else reap the rewards is extreamly frustating